you still miss the point. You believe once the physical body has died, the soul goes to sleep. Most protestants believe in soul sleep even though they will deny it. To believe the dead know nothing is to believe in soul sleep as the SDA’s do.I am not the one who used Saul as an example for why asking saints to intercede on our behave is a good thing.
The spiritual realm itself is outside time and space. This include heaven, and hell. So in some essence the demons would know something we don’t. They themselves live outside time and space.Point taken.
have you forgotten the woman in Act 16 could predict the future?
She also wasn’t dead.Point taken.
have you forgotten the woman in Act 16 could predict the future?
how does Act 16 have a bearing on the subject at hand. The woman is neither an alive saint or a dead saint.Point taken.
have you forgotten the woman in Act 16 could predict the future?
Good points, Joey.how does Act 16 have a bearing on the subject at hand. The woman is neither an alive saint or a dead saint.
But you are assuming they can hear your prayers and know your “mental prayers”. Just because someone may be alive doesn’t mean you can or its possible to communicate with them.She also wasn’t dead.
The sin of Saul was not that he prayed to Samuel, but that he used the services of a witch to bring him back into this world.
When Catholics pray to the Saints, we don’t try to bring them back into this world. They stay where they are (in Heaven) and we stay where we are, here in this world.
There is no sin in asking a fellow-Christian to pray for you. Those in Heaven are more alive now than they were when they were in this world, so there is no question of “contacting the dead.” They are fully alive.
How is not praying to a saint you believe to be in heaven ( which there is no proof for) any different than contacting a spirit?You keep missing the point.
What is actually prohibited? There is only one right answer.
A. Contacting Spirits
B. Raising Spirits
C. Consulting Mediums
Asking a saint in heaven to aid you in your personal requests and your personal needs of God is not what you believe it to be.
They can. Tabitha whom Peter rose from the dead after he pray. If you claim that someone** who is dead cannot hear** then explain how Jesus and the Apostles were able to raise them up from the dead?But you are assuming they can hear your prayers and know your “mental prayers”. Just because someone may be alive doesn’t mean you can or its possible to communicate with them.
Acts 9:40 said:40 And they all being put forth, Peter kneeling down prayed, and turning to the body, he said: Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes; and seeing Peter, she sat up.
JoeyWarren;2708176]CONTACT that is the magic word.
Contact: the act or state of touching; a touching or meeting, as of two things or people.
Hhu? How is it not contacting them? Do they not have to be able to understand your language and requests?Asking those in heaven to pray for us is not CONTACTING them.
Now consulting a medium is for the purpose of CONTACTING. ie BRING ONESELF FACE TO FACE. That is what the medium did, she brought the spirit of samuel up out of that temporary holding place for the purpose of a CONTACT.
There is no evidence in these cases that the person themselves had the ability to hear Peter or Jesus and respond to them. It is a power that God granted Peter to do this. The same with our Lord.They can. Tabitha whom Peter rose from the dead after he prayed over here body. If you claim that someone who is dead cannot here then explain how Jesus and the Apostles were able to raise them up from the dead?
Praying to the saints is not the same as using them as medium. The saints offer prayers to God.Hhu? How is it not contacting them? Do they not have to be able to understand your language and requests?
There is every evidence.There is no evidence in these cases that the person themselves had the ability to hear Peter or Jesus and respond to them. It is a power that God granted Peter to do this. The same with our Lord.
If that were true then Peter and Jesus should have not said, Tabitha get up, or Jesus when speaking to Lazarus to come forth.There is no evidence in these cases that the person themselves had the ability to hear Peter or Jesus and respond to them. It is a power that God granted Peter to do this. The same with our Lord.
Where is Heaven? It’s not up in the sky, far away - it’s in my heart, where Jesus is. All of the Saints are with Jesus, in my heart, so there is no reason for them not to be able to understand my prayers, since they are as close to me as I am to myself.But you are assuming they can hear your prayers and know your “mental prayers”. Just because someone may be alive doesn’t mean you can or its possible to communicate with them.