Their parents must be so proud?: Controversy about Kentucky pro-life marchers DC

[Babaganoush]

Nathan Phillips was a bully and deference to him would have only been capitulation to a bully.

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

You certainly have an interesting take on what the word “atrocious” means then. I do not deny that the kids could have acted differently. They could have completely ignored them. They are also 16, while Nathan Phillips, who we are lead to believe is a respectable person as a tribal elder and a former Marine, is presumably a 64yr old adult. Yet look who goes around invading people’s personal space to deescalate some school cheers in a situation that did not need to be deescalated.

I am however trying to picture your perfect deescalation technique where Nathan Phillips, the peaceful deescalator, chases a bunch of kids around the Lincoln Memorial as they try to “defer” to him by getting out of his way and he tries to deescalate the situation by attempting to get close enough to pray in their personal space with a drum.

The bigger point of course that keeps conveniently getting shuffled to the side is that these kids, in particular the smiling kid Nathan Sandmann, were accused of seeking out, harassing, and verbally insulting Nathan Phillips and some other Indiginous people. They were accused of being virulent racists on a rampage through DC, their parents were accused of being racists, and their school was accused of being a hotbed of racial and homophobic hatred. A virtual lynch mob has called for them all to be expelled, raped, un-accepted from colleges, for their houses, businesses, and school to be shut and or burned down. A few people are so convinced of this that they are still desperately digging for evidence to destroy their lives with. So tell me, are these kids, the school, and their families raving homophobic racists? Should they all have their lives destroyed? Should they at the minimum be expelled? Because they shouted some school cheers at a SPLC certified hate group and one kid smiled and/or smirked at a Native American man that approached him and didn’t walk away?

 

[dvdjs]

I disagree with your whole premise about how they should defer or a certain respect is owed to the elder.

And I disagree in return.
It used to be common that young people would open a door, or give up a seat on the bus for elders.
Not so much anymore, even seats marked as priority for elders. Now the case is made that children should assess the elders to see if they deserve respect and feel entitled to act on their judgement.

An America that is great because it is good, might consider returning this traditional value.

 

[Trying2overcome]

Apparently the kid’s step-grandfather is a Native American

Grandfather of One Covington Student is ACTUALLY a Native American Vietnam Veteran -- Unlike Nathan Phillips, Family Responds to Stolen Valor, ‘Shame on Him’ | The Gateway Pundit | by Cassandra MacDonald

The family of one of the Covington High School students seen in the viral videos is responding to the reports of stolen valor by Nathan Phillips — and saying “shame on him.” On Tuesday, The Washington Post has had to issue yet another retraction after falsely claiming that far-left Native...

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[MagdalenaRita]

It used to be common that young people would open a door, or give up a seat on the bus for elders.

That is true. There used to be more respect but elders used to also act more respectfully. Mr. Phillips did not show any respect toward that young man or anyone of the other youth but the young man was polite despite of Mr. Phillips disrespect of others.

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

I am curious what you think this is supposed to demonstrate?

Breaking News, regular 16yr old American boy, accused of being the face of white supremacy and racial hatred with his face plastered around the entire world, hires PR firm to help deal with accusations! More at 10!

It would honestly border on irresponsible to not consult a PR firm at this point.

 

[dvdjs]

Yet look who goes around invading people’s personal space to deescalate some school cheers in a situation that did not need to be deescalated.

That assessment of the need for deescalation is not unreasonable, but it is not the only reasonable assessment. I think that this talk of invading people’s personal space, (or bullying or getting in the face) is not a reasonable characterization of the interaction of the elder and children

I am however trying to picture your perfect deescalation technique where Nathan Phillips, the peaceful deescalator, chases a bunch of kids around the Lincoln Memorial as they try to “defer” to him by getting out of his way and he tries to deescalate the situation by attempting to get close enough to pray in their personal space with a drum.

This never happened , so what its the point?

these kids, in particular the smiling kid Nathan Sandmann, were accused of seeking out, harassing, and verbally insulting Nathan Phillips

I think that they were accused of being disrespectful and engaging in mockery of native Americans. I think taht there is good evidence for it.

A virtual lynch mob

I have no sympathy for this mob, but that does not exculpate the kids and chaperones.

So tell me, are these kids, the school, and their families raving homophobic racists?

Definitely not homophobic, from what I saw. I won’t comment on the other, because it is clear that here at CAF the word has no common meaning.

Should they all have their lives destroyed? Should they at the minimum be expelled?
No and No.

 

[dvdjs]

There used to be more respect but elders used to also act more respectfully

I think that you miss the point of the our past sense of manners. This respect of elders was not negotiated or contingent. If an elder were out of line, there were appropriate remedies. But refusal of respect on the part of children was not one of them.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I think that you miss the point of the our past sense of manners. This respect of elders was not negotiated or contingent. If an elder were out of line, there were appropriate remedies. But refusal of respect on the part of children was not one of them.

I understand that but the point is, Nick Sandman did remain polite and respectful. He said absolutely nothing disrespectful. He stood there and did what he thought was the polite thing to do. He turned around at times and kept others from being disrespectful also, as can be seen in the videos.

Again, Mr. Phillips and the crowd jumping around and following him were disrespectful to those young children, who were doing what they were told, wait in this spot for your bus.

 

[dvdjs]

Nick Sandman did remain polite and respectful.

That requires reading his mind or accepting his crafted statement at face value. Others have interpreted
his posture as defiance.

Mr. Phillips and the crowd jumping around and following him were disrespectful to those young children …

That again is a matter of interpretation.

For me, this is simple. The kids should have deferred to the adult. That is the way that I was reared.

 

[pnewton]

Wearing a hat, smiling in the face of people accosting you, and attending a March for Life are actions worthy of criticism?

They can be. Yes. For example, or Catholic school does not allow politically controversial attire when representing the school or the faith. And was it smiling, or smirking, or maybe trying to keep from laughing? Either way, it was still a restrained response, but that doesn’t mean there is no room for criticism. I surely would never second guess a teenager for being a teenager.

 

[Babaganoush]

Opening a door for an old man or giving a seat up on a bus is a different situation that bears no resemblance to a man creating a stunt and trying to intimidate a group of children. I am all for respecting elders, but If they are doing something despicable then they shouldn’t be deferred to.

 

[pnewton]

It was actually student, not students, and I’m not sure how one student’s inappropriate comment excuses death threats against other Covington students,

This is something no one has said - a straw man.

 

[pnewton]

For that action, he should have been arrested. More to the point, the man is a complete hypocrite in regards to what respect is and is not. Once a person has been shown to be of low character, everything he does should be viewed with caution.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

That requires reading his mind or accepting his crafted statement at face value. Others have interpreted his posture as defiance.

While it is true I can not read his mind I can tell you by watching his actions, which speak louder than words, he was being respectful and polite.

Others want to believe he was being defiant because they want to make him out to be a villian because he had on a MAGA hat, because he was Catholic, because he was part of the pro-life movement, because they want a scapegoat to harm.

The kids should have deferred to the adult. That is the way that I was reared.

So, was I, but I was also instructed to obey my teachers and parents first and foremost.

The kids were instructed by those in authority to wait where they were and that is what they did and their teachers and chaperones are the ones they were to “defer” to, not a strange man who comes up playing a drum in their face and not telling them why and instigating a scene. How could they “defer” to Mr. Phillips anyhow, when he didn’t even tell them what he wanted.

As I said I am all for respecting the elderly and those over you but when an elderly person comes up to a young man and gets in his face and doesn’t say why or what he is doing, but stands there beating on a drum, the first thing I as a parent or a teacher would want is for that young man to do what he had been instructed to do and then yes be respectful to others around you.

 

[Babaganoush]

There was a time when respect of elders was common courtesy, but that was also a time when elders weren’t pushing for the right to murder children. Respect is a two way street. This man tried to enter the national shrine and disrupt mass on the weekend of the prolife march. He then gets in the face of children who are waiting to get on their bus in another stunt. Yet he is supposed to be honored by the youth? The man is a supporter of abortion, I don’t see any reason why the youth should respect him. He has decided that their lives are disposable.

 

[prayerrider]

For anyone to watch the drumming activist’s movements and still come away believing he didn’t instigate the whole so-called “confrontation” requires an amazing degree of denial.

 

[prayerrider]

I respect veterans, particularly war veterans. I don’t respect veterans who creatively embellish their service records. Phillips is apparently now saying he’s really a “Vietnam years” veteran, whatever that means. But it’s his Wikipedia page and he has to own it.

 

[prayerrider]

He also flat out lied about his movements, as the video clearly contradicts him.
Well, pray for him. He’s obviously unhealthy, maybe some dementia or something. And don’t be surprised if the pagan left wants to idolize him. Imagine how Obama would be fawning all over him by now.

 

[John24]

And don’t be surprised if the pagan left wants to idolize him. Imagine how Obama would be fawning all over him by now.

Barack Obama is a Christian.