Their parents must be so proud?: Controversy about Kentucky pro-life marchers DC

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Wearing Maga hats is incompatible with wearing Catholic high school sweatshirts. Acting the way that they did, not matter how they find themselves in that situation, was wrong.
 
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Wearing MAGA hats and shirts at a rally where the VP just spoke and where Trump has in the past spoken by video is reasonable.

The boys’ behavior towards the Native American man and, if reports are true, to other people of color in the area, was not okay.
 
The videos clearly show the native american man approaching the boys. They were off doing their own thing and all of a sudden a group of people banging drums and chanting enter into the group of boys and for whatever reason target one of them (the smirking one). You can see that the boys seem confused and amused at the whole spectacle. Also, why is the church so quick to respond to and condemn rowdy teenage boys but not pedo priests???
 
I’m sure there was more to this story than what’s shown on 1-2 minutes of viral video. I’m also sure that the Diocese will get to the bottom of it, especially since the school already had a black mark for a recent case of a high-profile recent alum being prosecuted for rape, and the school’s own alumni are circulating a petition asking that the head of the school be fired.
 
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As someone who knows exactly what it is like to be jeered at and mocked, it is overwhelmingly done by teen/young men BTW, my jaw drops that anyone could think this is a way to have fun.

(For the record, I have dwarfism and become an “event” every time I sit foot outside of my house, I really do know what it is like.)
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Wearing MAGA hats and shirts at a rally where the VP just spoke and where Trump has in the past spoken by video is reasonable.
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Well, they never should have spoken at the rally. Trump and his VP embody the antithesis of Catholic teaching. For that reason, associating Trump with a Catholic high school is just totally wrong, especially if you are acting like you are at a Trump rally and not the March for life.
 
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That’s your opinion. Many Catholics voted for Trump/ Pence largely on the pro-life issue. Trump has named two conservative Justices to the Supreme Court and may well get to name a third. To say that Trump and Pence shouldn’t be associated with a pro-life rally makes little sense.
 
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That’s your opinion. Many Catholics voted for Trump/ Pence largely on the pro-life issue. Trump has named two conservative Justices to the Supreme Court and may well get to name a third. To say that Trump and Pence shouldn’t be associated with a pro-life rally makes little sense.
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I don’t believe the ends justify the means. What we got with the last Supreme was another opportunity for Catholic bashing based on the behavior of said Supreme. Overall, the Catholic Church took another hit from Cavanaugh’s nomination.

I know some Catholics believe as you do. I believe that you don’t make a deal with a terrible person just to get something you want. You end up getting painted with the same brush.
 
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Don’t be so melodramatic. You should know that many ‘people of color’ are trump supporters. And before anyone assumes, I don’t consider myself a trump supporter. I don’t, however, irrationally hate him.
 
PaulinVA said:
I know some Catholics believe as you do
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I said nothing about “how I believe”. I am pointing out that from a reasonable time, place and manner free speech perspective, it made total sense for people to come to a rally featuring the Vice President, whom they or their parents probably voted for, wearing rally gear that they or their parents probably bought in support of their vote.

I take a neutral position on politics and simply focus on what, from a free speech perspective, is reasonable.

If they had all put on MAGA hats and gone on a march through the Latino neighborhood, it would mean something totally different.
 
PaulinVA said:
Acting the way that they did, not matter how they find themselves in that situation, was wrong.
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I almost feel sorry for the kid who was standing inches away from the elderly native American man, smirking at him. He is going to become the “face” for this event, and I suspect his ill-considered behavior is going to haunt him for some time to come.
 
PaulinVA said:
I’m glad we agree MAGA hats signal racial animus.
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No, we don’t “agree that MAGA hats signal racial animus”.

The hat itself is an item of political free speech. There are reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions on free speech. That is primarily what I go by, because I have no desire to fall into emotional traps of this or that speech signals this or that animus in and of itself. As an example, someone on social media is claiming that MAGA hats are equivalent to white sheets nowadays. While many people just love that concept, it’s wrong and says a lot about the biases and hangups of the statement maker.

There is an entire body of law on this. I will just leave the discussion there. If you are truly interested in the topic, you can research it.
 
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Does anyone have the power to change this thread title (@camoderator)? We’ve now had 4 threads on this topic, partially because the title of this thread (the active one) is almost completely non-descriptive. If it doesn’t get fixed, we’re likely to have people starting more.

If someone could change it to a title that actually describes the thread contents (even just the title of the OP-posted article would do it), that would be really helpful for everyone.

This is a reminder for people to use descriptive thread titles (sorry, it’s CAF my pet peeve). It saves everyone so much time: forum members can actually find the topics they are interested in and not waste time in threads they don’t care about. Plus you get more readers for your thread when interested folk can find it; isn’t that what thread-starters want?
 
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Also, and no one would probably care anyway, but many native songs are religious. That would be pagan of course. I’d not want a man chanting pagan songs in my face.
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In that case, don’t get all up an the face of someone chanting pagan songs.
 
The Native man got in the boy’s face. Please don’t take the mainstream media as gospel. Videos clearly show the native man and his associates approaching the boys, NOT the other way around.
 
That is interesting. I have been skeptical of this incident because the way it was reported doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. A whole school group of boys just goes out looking for someone to harass after the March for Life rally? I don’t buy it. I have been wondering if this other group didn’t intentionally try to start something in an attempt to tar the entire March for Life as “racist”, just as the Women’s March has now been tarred as “anti-semetic”. Like why is someone following this Native American guy around with a camera? We already see the ridiculous photoshops of boys wearing MAGA hats harassing a black boy during the Civil Rights movement being flung about up thread and calls to throw all these boys out of school.

Again, if the boys went out and harassed the Indigenous People’s march that is wrong. I just don’t see a whole lot of evidence for that.
 
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Wearing Maga hats is incompatible with wearing Catholic high school sweatshirts. Acting the way that they did, not matter how they find themselves in that situation, was wrong.
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