Theoretical Question - Married American Priest

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Don’t forget, deacons confir sacraments too. Baptism and Marriage.

Not in the Byzantine Churches.
 
guanophore said:
I think this wording of “right” is part of the conceptual problem. I think no one has a 'right" to the priesthood. It is a vocation, and a privilege. The Latin Rite prefers to choose from among those called to celibacy for a variety of reasons.

I think the Western sense of individuality and personal “rights” has impinged upon a sense of obedience to the Church. There is a sense that people have the “right” to be a priest, or to be a married priest.
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How about imposing an unnecessary burden. That was the argument of St. Paphnutios that won the day at the First Ecumenical Council, when Rome first tried to impose this.
 
vocatio said:
Don’t forget, deacons confir sacraments too. Baptism and Marriage.
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Only in the Latin Rite/Roman Church.

While they can baptize in the east, it’s only in emergencies, as they can not chrismate… and normative process is simultaneous.
 
Aramis said:
The permanent deaconate serves a very real role in the Roman church: preventing one of the larger “abuses” of the late pre-V II Roman mass: having a priest function as deacon. post trent, pre-V II, the deaconate was overwhelmingly transitional, the few permanent deacons of the time were usually men who failed to make adequate progress in their final year of priestly formation. The others were men who had crises of faith* during the same period. (I know one. 12 years later, he finally was ordained a priest.)
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In the Ordinary Form of the Mass the role of the deacon seems to be an after thought.

You seem to be leaving out the many permanent deacons who were part of the religious orders. Many of them never considered the priesthood.

The permanent diaconate was alive with in those orders.
vocatio said:
Don’t forget, deacons confir sacraments too. Baptism and Marriage.
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Actually, the sacrament of Marriage is confered by the Bride and Groom in the Latin Church, the priest or deacon serve as a witness.

In the Eastern Churches deacons do not baptise or preside at weddings. Also they can only bless as a lay person. Just thought I would toss that out, I know it really has nothing to do with this question, just something I thought you might like to know.
 
Fascinating stuff to be sure, though no one has really had a reaction to what I last said.
 
RedSoxFan said:
Fascinating stuff to be sure, though no one has really had a reaction to what I last said.
  1. God’s call is not to be ignored.
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So what are you…some kind of troublemaker? 😛

Seriously though, who are we to say what God calls us to? By how we feel?

I know that ‘feeling’ has launched hundreds of religious orders and such, but ultimately we need spiritual direction too. We could be mistaken…we cannot make this decision by ourselves.

If one feels the “call” then one must pursue it, but while seeking out spiritual direction, not internet opinions.

May God bless all who feel this calling.
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You my friend have answered wisely. 👍

I wondered if it would happen this way. Glad to see it has.

~RSF

PS only the atheists think I am a trouble maker so they ban me.
 
RedSoxFan said:
I didn’t forget. It’s a good thing, but it is not the priesthood.and if God calls you to the priesthood and you go to the permanent diaconate you still aren’t going where God wants you to go.
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How embarrassing :o for you to speak so poorly about the permanent diaconate. That is a noble vocation…and requires the utmost respect as well. Sure it’s not the priesthood, but it is a historical ancient vocation in the Church from the very beginning. Some of the eastern Orhtodox rites call their deacons “father” too.

Let’s take St. Francis of Assisi. St. Francis chose not to become a priest because he felt unworthy of the office so he chose to remain a deacon.
 
Hesychios said:
So what are you…some kind of troublemaker? 😛

Seriously though, who are we to say what God calls us to? By how we feel?

I know that ‘feeling’ has launched hundreds of religious orders and such, but ultimately we need spiritual direction too. We could be mistaken…we cannot make this decision by ourselves.

If one feels the “call” then one must pursue it, but while seeking out spiritual direction, not internet opinions.

May God bless all who feel this calling.
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Who is discerning by internet opinion. I started this thread as an interesting topic. The diaconate is what I’m discerning…not the priesthood anymore. But the feeling doesn’t leave. And I agree that those considering the priesthood should seek spiritual direction. But we seem to forget that God gives us free will. Free will to screw up. Free will to choose another noble vocation…like Marriage. And I would never trust anyone, especially a knuckleheaded mixed up Catholic for advice on marriage after coming out of a Protestant faith that shunned divorced with the utmost passion. Marriage…“I promise” say what you mean and mean what you say…same for the priests and deacons.
 
vocatio said:
How embarrassing :o for you to speak so poorly about the permanent diaconate. That is a noble vocation…and requires the utmost respect as well. Sure it’s not the priesthood, but it is a historical ancient vocation in the Church from the very beginning. Some of the eastern Orhtodox rites call their deacons “father” too.

Let’s take St. Francis of Assisi. St. Francis chose not to become a priest because he felt unworthy of the office so he chose to remain a deacon.
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I’m not speaking poorly about the permanent diaconate. And I certainly am grateful for them in terms of their evangelization. They might just help save the Latin Rite in the US.

But I stand by what I said. If one feels called to the Priesthood and only becomes a deacon he hasn’t followed through on what God is calling him to do.

~RSF
 
RedSoxFan said:
I’m not speaking poorly about the permanent diaconate. And I certainly am grateful for them in terms of their evangelization. They might just help save the Latin Rite in the US.

But I stand by what I said. If one feels called to the Priesthood and only becomes a deacon he hasn’t followed through on what God is calling him to do.

~RSF
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Then by your own admission you have no idea what a vocation is. Do some more reading on the subject…only this time from licit sources.
 
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