They’re coming for the Knights of Columbus

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Cruciferi said:
Better rename the Capital of Ohio then…
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If Christopher Columbus was so bad to the indigenous Americans in Central & South America, then why doesn’t the Republic of Columbia change their name?

After all Mestizos* & Indigenous Colombians make up over 53% of the nation.
  • Mestizo refers historically to people who are mixed with both European & Indigenous blood.
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Welshrabbit said:
The Knights of Abba Moses. I do believe it would be impossible to find a person who would complain about him being our patron.
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Don’t be too sure. The very word “knight” will soon be forbidden. After all, they were warriors and worse, they were a semi-religious organization, and worse still, Catholic in their day.

No way political correctness will put up with it for long.
 
LilyM said:
I’m sitting here wondering bow many of the same people protesting the current push to remove statues and change names were cheering (or at least indifferent) when the Betlin Wall came down, when Leningrad changed to St Petersburg or when statues of Saddam were falling in Iraq?

Throughout history people seem to have felt this need to draw a line underneath certain events or periods of their history in these ways. It seems to be a way of saying ‘never again’ to the bad of what is represented.

Columbus? The man was controversial in his own lifetime.

He brought a mess of suffering and trouble to the natives of the lands he explored - in the name of enriching Spains coffers. He did not discover America, nor even set dainty foot on the manland US, and lived and died believing he had found a route to India rather than a new continent.

I can think.of a whole lot of better people to set up as role models.
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I would want to preserve part of the Berlin Wall, preserve some evidence of former Communist rule.

Columbus wasn’t all good or all bad. He had many faults but he also had powerful virtues mostly lacking today. He had a dream and so much passion for that dream he persuaded others to help make it happen. He had courage to embark on a dangerous voyage, with hardly an all star crew. We live in a world of play it safe.

Before Columbus the Bible and Mass were not in this hemisphere to our knowledge. Since Columbus they have never been absent. That’s the driving force to take down the statue of Christ Bearer.
 
It’s really hard to know the truth about a lot of things. That’s particularly true when it comes to history as recorded in the Anglosphere, because it tends to be anti-Catholic even in ways that are not overt. So, for example, the versions we get of the Inquisition are written by Brits. Spanish speaker versions are different. I imagine the same is true of Columbus.

Indeed, the older versions of what a lot of statuary heroes were like is probably more accurate than the “revisionist history” we’re likely to encounter today, which is largely written from a pagan and somewhat Marxist point of view, by people who think lying is just a tool, not a fault. That’s a terrible shame, but that’s what we’re dealing with.
 
Because Christopher was a colonizer of already inhabited lands. He enslaved indigenous peoples. Why have such a terrible man represent a catholic organization?
 
How is opposition to Columbus’ treatment of Natives “anti-white?”
Mrchatsworth said:
Maybe they should simply change the name.
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Agreed. I’m not sure what harm they would incur by naming themselves after an actual saint - perhaps one from the Americans like St. Kateri, St. Rose of Lima, St. Juan Diego, or San Martin de Porres.
Cruciferi said:
Nah, sounds militaristic and intolerant.
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Like Columbus himself? 🤔
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MikeInVA said:
He is recognized for bringing Christianity to the New World, but that isn’t good enough for some…
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Well, let’s see. He kidnapped and enslaved native denizens of Hispaniola and kidnapped a woman for one of his crew members, Michele de Cuneo, to rape. Call me a woman of high standards, but I expect more out of people “recognized for bringing Christianity to the New World.”

Honestly, I’d hope the Knights could come up with a better role model.
 
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Though he could have seen a meteor as well or was blinded by the Sum by looking directly at it. No proof but his word. All subjective and conjecture and apocryphal.
 
blackforest said:
How is opposition to Columbus’ treatment of Natives “anti-white?”
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That was not my point. My point is simply that I believe some degree of anti-white sentiment is really anti-Christianity. I could be mistaken.
 
I’m just trying to clarify, within the context of this thread, where you’re seeing anti-white sentiment. Or was your point off-topic?
 
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