This US summer is 'what global warming looks like'

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*WASHINGTON (AP) - If you want a glimpse of some of the worst of global warming, scientists suggest taking a look at U.S. weather in recent weeks.

Horrendous wildfires. Oppressive heat waves. Devastating droughts. Flooding from giant deluges. And a powerful freak wind storm called a derecho.

These are the kinds of extremes climate scientists have predicted will come with climate change, although it’s far too early to say that is the cause. Nor will they say global warming is the reason 3,215 daily high temperature records were set in the month of June.*
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Yeah, well its been like this almost every other summer I can remember also. Granted, I’m not that old, but still. If anything, last year was worse (at least in Minneapolis/St. Paul)
 
Again, stories like this make me skeptical about AGW instead of alarmed. I see no balanced perspective here, just "There’s been a disaster, it MUST be global warming!

Consider:
  • Fire was the power tool of Native American civilization. All of North America was heavily shaped by native use of fire for cultivation, hunting, war and land management. Us white boys came along, killed all the natives and stopped the burning. Then we wonder why the country turns into a tinder box after a couple hundred years? We need to blame ‘global warming’ for this? I think not. We simply need to return to land management techniques that more closely resemble that of Native Americans. Believe it or not, this can include selective logging instead of burning the stuff.
  • Floods are NOT increasing in severity. They just aren’t. What has changed is the instant capability of media reporting globally. 75 years ago, if a flood ravaged a small town in Alabama someplace, national newspapers might have pictures in it a week later on page 13. Now there is instant footage on the 6 o clock news the same day. It is perception that has changed, not severe weather frequency.
  • Similarly, we are not having more frequent hurricanes and tornados. We simply have more urbanized landscape. If a tornado hit a cornfield 100 years ago, it would barely make the local news, much less regional. But if the exact same tornado occurs again today and a subdivision sits on that ground today, it will be NATIONAL news. The weather didn’t change, the land cover did. There are more structures to be damaged today than there were then.
  • Weather damage increases are rarely accounted for properly. Reporters routinely cite the dollar figure of damage caused and researchers later refer to these things and collate the data into alarming looking graphs showing massive increase in dollar-damage due to weather events over time. Bad data! The REAL way to check for increased damages is to collate the total replacement cost for ALL the structures in a region and compare the dollar damage to the total value. Over time, that curve goes the OPPOSITE way! Weather disaster damages as a percentage of total economc value are WAY down in the last 100 years.
It’s really hard for me to hear the skewed and outright dishonest news accounts like this and NOT conclude that the whole global warming bandwagon isn’t built on the same sorts of bad assumptions, skewed data and alarmist motives. I realize there is actual scientific data to be worried about. I just wish that legitimate scientists would disavow skewed stories like this one more often.
 
Colorado was due for a large fire in just the areas that were hit. The bark beetle was devastating the forests. People are saying it was because the trees were too dense, partially caused by not allowing fire to thin the forests naturally. Nature will balance out eventually.

As for record temps back east. The cities are still expanding around where they are taking temps back east. Urban heat islands need to be taken into effect if you are going to look at historical records for temps. For example the area around Chrystal City in VA was a swamp 100 years ago.

On the flip side, looks like the African Savannah is turning into a forest because of the higher levels of CO2
 
irishpatrick said:
*WASHINGTON (AP) - If you want a glimpse of some of the worst of global warming, scientists suggest taking a look at U.S. weather in recent weeks.

Horrendous wildfires. Oppressive heat waves. Devastating droughts. Flooding from giant deluges. And a powerful freak wind storm called a derecho.

These are the kinds of extremes climate scientists have predicted will come with climate change, although it’s far too early to say that is the cause. Nor will they say global warming is the reason 3,215 daily high temperature records were set in the month of June.*
apnews.myway.com/article/20120703/D9VP9J681.html
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A couple of freaky weather doesn’t prove squat, we have always had years of freaky weather at times. Several years ago, there was a terrible ice storm…was that Global Warming?

What’s hilarious is the AGW eugenicists are saying that nothing will bring down the temperatures…so what’s the point of the Associated Depressed reporting this?

Oh I remember now…so they can say this…

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This is why so many people not believe in manmade global warming, because of statements like that
 
There is some truth in the global warming hysteria. Here it is.

The early evidence for global warming was carefully prepared by “scientists” by removing select data points. What they got was the infamous “hockey stick” plot that displayed an uptick in global temperature. The results were forced onto the public with a complicit media establishment and the political left.

The truth is this, we were duped by so called scientists that falsified data.

In the aftermath of this attempted campaign, there are still a few global warming zombies crawling around. Tell them the truth and pray for them - Charity in Truth.
 
manualman said:
Say what? I’ve yet to hear an argument about how AGW and Eugenics are related. I’ll be right back with some popcorn! 😉

Or did you just mean ‘propagandists?’
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Yes they also are propagandists, but No I mean eugenicistst…why?

Well we gotta cut carbon output…which means economic activity will decline (because it will be first-world nations like America that will be forced to cut the most) and spending will decline and that means America will buy less goods from 3rd-world nations who depend upon American consumerism for work…so Americans buy less (boo hoo:rolleyes:) but that also means US retail stores buy less product (once again boo-hoo:rolleyes:) but that means that the factories and/or sweatshops will close up and the people who worked those jobs to make a living will be thrown right back into abysmal poverty.

The worst Americans will face in cap-n-trade is a substantially higher cost-of-living. That means we will probably have to make decisions whether or not we want to run the A/C or watch the 9-hour Ken Burns documentary while surfing the net…and we will probably have to eat out less…once again it sucks major eggs…but it’s nothing morbid.

However in the 3rd-world nations, their cost of living rises and they can’t buy food. They lose their jobs…they don’t have 99-weeks Unemployment Insurance. They don’t work, they starve and they die.

So yes it is eugenics because Cap-n-trade punishes trade and Capitalism which hurts the 3rd world countries the most.

And this is one of them Red-meat Republican-voting Conservative saying this. My fellow Conservatives are wrong saying America is affected the most by Capntrade and it’s 3rd world nations robbing America…no it’s really those poor souls in the 3rd world nations who are going to suffer the most, because who is going to buy their goods?🤷
 
manualman said:
Consider:
  • Floods are NOT increasing in severity. They just aren’t. What has changed is the instant capability of media reporting globally. 75 years ago, if a flood ravaged a small town in Alabama someplace, national newspapers might have pictures in it a week later on page 13. Now there is instant footage on the 6 o clock news the same day. It is perception that has changed, not severe weather frequency.
  • Similarly, we are not having more frequent hurricanes and tornados. We simply have more urbanized landscape. If a tornado hit a cornfield 100 years ago, it would barely make the local news, much less regional. But if the exact same tornado occurs again today and a subdivision sits on that ground today, it will be NATIONAL news. The weather didn’t change, the land cover did. There are more structures to be damaged today than there were then.
  • Weather damage increases are rarely accounted for properly. Reporters routinely cite the dollar figure of damage caused and researchers later refer to these things and collate the data into alarming looking graphs showing massive increase in dollar-damage due to weather events over time. Bad data! The REAL way to check for increased damages is to collate the total replacement cost for ALL the structures in a region and compare the dollar damage to the total value. Over time, that curve goes the OPPOSITE way! Weather disaster damages as a percentage of total economc value are WAY down in the last 100 years.
It’s really hard for me to hear the skewed and outright dishonest news accounts like this and NOT conclude that the whole global warming bandwagon isn’t built on the same sorts of bad assumptions, skewed data and alarmist motives. I realize there is actual scientific data to be worried about. I just wish that legitimate scientists would disavow skewed stories like this one more often.
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👍👍

Two thumbs way up.

I would like to add…am i the only one that has noticed the real temperature is not going up, but they stopped reporting it in favor of a “feels like” temperature?
A few days ago I was sitting in the office listening to the local weather tell us how hot it was. And they peppered their story with triple digit temperatures and mentioned a heat index of 110.
I had to leave, and braced myself at the door considering the transition from an office of 72 and the outside 110.
I walked out and noticed…nothing. It was a pleasent day, there was a gentle breeze blowing, and the temperature felt to be in the upper 80’s and the humidity was down.
And a few minutes later it was confirmed by my car thermometer telling me the outside parking area was 89 degrees.
 
Every summer (or winter, if it’s warm) you see these kinds of articles. Then if summer happens to be cool, or relatively normal, there’s silence.

People need to read news stories with the same critical eye they extend to advertising pitches.
 
Global warming is a bunch of poo. This is just the earth going through cycles. THe earth, whether these “scientists” realize it or not, goes through patterns of cooling and heating. you can look it up on any temperature chart that extends back 10,000 years. there is high heat, then it cools. at one point there was a mini ice age back in the 19th century! looong before global warming was around. wonder what the scientists excuse was back then… too much cow feces? 🤷
 
BernardM said:
Why am In not surprised there is no mention of La Niña?
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La Nina dominated virtually all of last year and into this past spring. Right now, they’re saying it’s ENSO neutral with the possibility of El Nino conditions sometime in July or August. We’ll see. If El Nino conditions do prevail later this summer, it will be cooler and wetter than normal here. If not, it won’t be.

When I was a kid, we had a five year drought. So far, worse than now in heat and dryness, but close. My grandfather told me that he experienced another one in the 1930s and then earlier when he was growing up. I hope this isn’t a five year one, but it could be.

And I doubt it has a thing to do with MMGW any more than the one in the thirties or in the “oughts” did.
 
Ridgerunner said:
And I doubt it has a thing to do with MMGW any more than the one in the thirties or in the “oughts” did.
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Oughts or aughts?

During the local weather report on the news they tell you the historic highs and lows for the calendar date and as often as not the hottest day was in the 1930’s or some other long ago decade.
 
vz71 said:
👍👍

Two thumbs way up.

I would like to add…am i the only one that has noticed the real temperature is not going up, but they stopped reporting it in favor of a “feels like” temperature?
A few days ago I was sitting in the office listening to the local weather tell us how hot it was. And they peppered their story with triple digit temperatures and mentioned a heat index of 110.
I had to leave, and braced myself at the door considering the transition from an office of 72 and the outside 110.
I walked out and noticed…nothing. It was a pleasent day, there was a gentle breeze blowing, and the temperature felt to be in the upper 80’s and the humidity was down.
And a few minutes later it was confirmed by my car thermometer telling me the outside parking area was 89 degrees.
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It’s lying to you, plain and simple. It’s part of the anti-AGW propaganda.

😛
 
lets throw the wrong label on everything said the king of lies…
 
Some species of pines need fire to regenerate, and their populations slowly decline under fire suppression regimes. The green loons should let the fire burn so Gaia can be rejuvenated.
 
austenbosten said:
A couple of freaky weather doesn’t prove squat, we have always had years of freaky weather at times. Several years ago, there was a terrible ice storm…was that Global Warming?

What’s hilarious is the AGW eugenicists are saying that nothing will bring down the temperatures…so what’s the point of the Associated Depressed reporting this?
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Agreed. It’s July, last I knew it’s SUPPOSED to be hot during the summer. Two winters ago bought record cold, an epic Christmas blizzard, and record snow. What was to blame for that?
 
garn9173 said:
Agreed. It’s July, last I knew it’s SUPPOSED to be hot during the summer. Two winters ago bought record cold, an epic Christmas blizzard, and record snow. What was to blame for that?
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global warming 😛
 
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