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spauline
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the minor chastisement is the coming dress rehearsal for the end of the world, the “annihilation of entire nations.” Have you ever heard of fatima?
This Wednesday, 8/6/2008, I will be leaving communion with the Roman Catholic Church
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Chaldean_Rite
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Please don’t tell what you suggest is how the Orthodox actually think! Wow what nonsense
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TriuneUnity
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Sanctification is a synergistic work. It requires the cooperation of the regenerated will in order to function. If a person refuses to cooperate with sanctifying grace (refusing to obey the dictatates of Christ, receive the sacraments, etc.). If such a situation develops, the lack of sanctification will result in a loss of faith.
In all fairness, however, this passage is not addressed to the lost and unregenerate. It is addressed to the Church.
I am sure it’s been beaten to death; but we would understand James to be saying that Abraham showed his faith by his works. It is not referring to an issue of salvation, or the standing before God of a person.
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Isa_Almisry
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Corban by any other name.
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TriuneUnity
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the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church…
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spauline
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please tell me what Corban means?
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Isa_Almisry
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I love Peter.Look at the second one.
And I love my Patriarch, Ignatius IV, his succesor.
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spauline
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well, in some sense or another, you don’t fully love Peter the way GOD wants you to, for if you did, you would be a member a Church that has a bishop who is currently in full union with the man that is currently the Bishop of Rome, Papa Benedict XVII love Peter.
And I love my Patriarch, Ignatius IV, his succesor.
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Isa_Almisry
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Yeah, Where a apparition supposedly asked for the conversion of Holy Orthodox Russian, the largest Christian community at the time. (and before you say “in name only,” I’ll point out that Brazil has been called the largest Christian country by the popes of Rome. Do you know WHAT goes on there? No, I don’t judge the Vatican for the misdeeds of the hedonists there, because I know the Vatican does not approve). No, I don’t believe it.
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Wyatt
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Oh, that’s really cute.I love Peter.
And I love my Patriarch, Ignatius IV, his succesor.
I just hope that my Pope and your Patriarch are more ecumenical than most of the people on this forum. We should be praying for reunification and not really get too concerned about what the details that led to the Schism were. After all, it was sin and human pride on both sides that led to schism. If we discuss our differences peacefully and trust in the Holy Spirit to guide us, reunification is inevitable.
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Christy74
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It’s already been elaborated on several times. Both in this thread and at least one other thread.
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spauline
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I am in no wise proud of the Western Church, it is mostly dissenters and practical apostates.
In fact, the asceticism of the East puts to shame that of the West. For whereas God is more pleased with the Western sacrifice, I don’t blame Cain for being jealous. The Orthodox priests have suffered horribly and know what it means to follow the Christ. In the West, the priests are fat and wimpy and liberal.
what Our Lady means is, the East needs Peter, and then you can whip our butts into penance.
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Isa_Almisry
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Mark 7:9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 “For Moses said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER’; and, ‘HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER, IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
Matthew 27: Then Judas, who delivered him up, seeing that he had been condemned, filled with remorse, returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, 4 saying, I have sinned in having delivered up guiltless blood. But they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. 5 And having cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, he left the place, and went away and hanged himself. 6 And the chief priests took the pieces of silver and said, It is not lawful to cast them into the Corban, since it is the price of blood. 7 And having taken counsel, they bought with them the field of the potter for a burying-ground for strangers.
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Isa_Almisry
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St. Igantius of Antioch, appointed to that see by St. Peter himself, mentions the need of the bishop, but no need of a supreme pontiff.
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Isa_Almisry
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On behalf of the Orthodox worthy of the name, I thank you. Now if I could only live up to the name.
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Ever heard Fr. Corapi?
We have Peter. But to your point:
St. Symeon of Thessalonica (15th cent., after the sack of Constantinople) writes:
One should not contradict the Latins when they say that the Bishop of Rome is the first. This primacy is not harmful to the Church. Let them only prove his faithfulness to the faith of Peter and to that of the successors of Peter. If it is so, let him enjoy all the privileges of pontiff … Let the Bishop of Rome be succesor of the orthodoxy of Sylvester and Agatho, of Leo, Liberius, Martin and Gregory, then we also will call him Apostolic and first among other bishops; then we also will obey him, not only as Peter, but as the Savior Himself
books.google.com/books?hl=en&…esult#PPA86,M1
p. 86
When the pope of Rome 4 centuries latter wrote a letter addressed to the Orthodox Faithful in an attempt to go over the Patriarchs heads, the Patriarchs responded:
In a measure the aggressions of the later Popes in their own persons had ceased, and were carried on only by means of missionaries. But lately, Pius IX., becoming Bishop of Rome and proclaimed Pope in 1847, published on the sixth of January, in this present year, an Encyclical Letter addressed to the Easterns, consisting of twelve pages in the Greek version, which his emissary has disseminated, like a plague coming from without, within our Orthodox Fold…Usurping as his own possession the Catholic Church of Christ, by occupancy, as he boasts, of the Episcopal Throne of St. Peter, he desires to deceive the more simple into apostasy from Orthodoxy, choosing for the basis of all theological instruction these paradoxical words (p. 10, 1.29): “nor is there any reason why ye refuse a return to the true Church and Communion with this my holy Throne”…As to the supremacy, since we are not setting forth a treatise, let the same great Basil present the matter in a f’ew words, “I preferred to address myself to Him who is Head over them.”…For all this we have esteemed it our paternal and brotherly need, and a sacred duty, by our present admonition to confirm you in the Orthodoxy you hold from your forefathers, and at the same time point out the emptiness of the syllogisms of the Bishop of Rome, of which he is manifestly himself aware. For not from his Apostolic Confession does he glorify his Throne, but from his Apostolic Throne seeks to establish his dignity, and from his dignity, his Confession. The truth is the other way…But, finally, his Holiness says (p. ix. l.12) that the fourth Ecumenical Council (which by mistake he quite transfers from Chalcedon to Carthage), when it read the epistle of Pope Leo I, cried out, “Peter has thus spoken by Leo.” It was so indeed. But his Holiness ought not to overlook how, and after what examination, our fathers cried out, as they did, in praise of Leo…Of more than six hundred fathers assembled in the Counci1 of Chalcedon, about two hundred of the wisest were appointed by the Council to examine both as to language and sense the said epistle of Leo; nor only so, but to give in writing and with their signatures their own judgment upon it, whether it were orthodox or not…And thus all in succession: “The epistle corresponds,” "the epistle is consonant,“the epistle agrees in sense,” and the like. After such great and very severe scrutiny in comparing it with former holy Councils, and a full conviction of the correctness of the meaning, and not merely because it was the epistle of the Pope, they cried aloud, ungrudgingly, the exclamation on which his Holiness now vaunts himself: But if his Holiness had sent us statements concordant and in unison with the seven holy Ecumenical Councils, instead of boasting of the piety of his predecessors lauded by our predecessors and fathers in an Ecumenical Council, he might justly have gloried in his own orthodoxy, declaring his own goodness instead of that of his fathers. Therefore let his Holiness be assured, that if, even now, he will write us such things as two hundred fathers on investigation and inquiry shall find consonant and agreeing with the said former Councils, then, we say, he shall hear from us sinners today, not only, “Peter has so spoken,” or anything of like honor, but this also, “Let the holy hand be kissed which has wiped away the tears of the Catholic Church.”
orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/encyc_1848.aspx
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Christy74
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It is a sin to live with someone and have sexual relations with someone outside of marriage. So if someone “presumes” they are married, but are not, and do these actions - of course they are sinning. If I presume that murder is good, so I commit murder, of course I sin.
Dissenters can too be fired up about their faith. I worked with a Roman Catholic - she would be considered what Roman Catholics call a “Cafeteria Catholic”. She drove women to abortion clinics, etc. She was on fire for her faith and tried to convince those of us who were not Roman Catholic to become Roman Catholic. She was definately a dissenter - although she didn’t realize it. She simply thought she was helping to move her Church in the “right” direction.
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RedSoxFan
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Soooo I guess all that’s left to do is change your profile…
Are you sure about this Christy74?
Are you sure about this Christy74?
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ChristianKnight
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…I love how their is so much anti-catholocism on here…you guys just love us don’t you
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