I don’t understand why those sharing your point of view refuse to appreciate that there is some middle ground. Your constant strawman, hyperbolic insistence that people who agree with Walker necessarily think “all bosses are right” is troubling. I have a union pension, union health benefits and I don’t think “bosses are always right”.
I said, “so many,” not “all.” I try to be careful about not painting with a broad brush. I have no doubt that there are company owners who are decent individuals who respect their workers.
Fair point. I did misquote you and I apologize. While you may not be using the broad brush, your brush is still a tad wider than it needs to be.
yeah,So now we compare the Wisconsin union issue to the Holocaust?
that is your spin. Not mine. So let’s not go there ok.
is I am glad someone “spoke up”Bob you know me better than that.
As a DoD worker, who in NON union and cannot bargin do my general schedule appointment (GS), who has had pay frozen for 2 yrs., by the very administration most of you all demonize. I am fine with that. I “earn” 4 hours of paid sick leave every 2 weeks. I “earn” 6 hours paid annual leave every two weeks. This allows me to schedule dr. appts., my husband has MS, and I accompany him for blood tests and MRI’s. These benefits allow me to “work” “productively”, in that I don’t stress out at work, or my husband (he is DoD also) that if he needs an MRI, he isn’t worried that the mortgage won’t get paid. Our insurance has gone up 7.2%, while our wages have been frozen. I am not too keen on having our 24 yr old daughter on our insurance again, I would much prefer we had the option of putting my 82 yr old mother on it instead.
My family worked the northeastern textile mills for generations. I heard the mill stories. I didn’t lose a grandparent until I was 32. I knew two of my great grandparents. Those stories still ring in my head. My family has been Democrat as long as there have been Democrats. My father was a local office-holder and Democratic chairman. I grew up with Senators in my house. I am a retired public employee with a pension and health benefits. I get the discussion.yeah,
I am glad my 82 yr old mother is still around to tell me what it was like “without unions”. She remembers how the mills were run in the south, and my father (now deceased) remembers the industrial companies before the unions in the northeast.
You see, unlike some, I didn’t wasn’t raised in fish bowl.
My point, that you so clearly missed,
Arkansas gives me 8 hours of sick leave a month which can be carried forward indefinitely, and I’ve so much of it that I donate most of it to our “Catastrophic Leave” bank… I get 22 1/2 days of annual leave p.a. (15 hours per month) plus 11 paid holidays including my birthday, and I can carry 240 hours (6 weeks of it forward p.a.).
Hey, now. Right to work is a whole different issue. Specifically, one can argue that what is being done in Wisconsin is contrary to Catholic teaching. The Church has upheld the rights of unions and their right to voice their needs. The bishop there has given a balanced reminder to Catholics and non-Catholics not to stifle workers’ rights. However,* mandatory* union membership has never been a part of Catholic doctrine. On can go too far either way with this issue. The Church has also made it clear that not every union demand is reasonable and should be met.
Compare the average US paid vacation time to other countries:
The unions are willing to make the concessions involving their pay/benefits. They have offered to do so but Walker turned them down.
Two things come to mind. One is the right to live is of a higher order than the right to associate in labor unions, though both are moral goods. Second, this wouldn’t be such a dilemna if labor unions followed Catholic teaching and did not align themselves so politically.
How much paid vacation do people need? Are we like school kids that need a summer off or are we adults?
Interesting. So you think there is a moral equivalent between supporting unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand and asking workers to pay a portion of their health care costs?
And, I thought I had it good. But, at least, my state is as generous as Brazil.
If so, then what should the recommended “adult” paid leave time be?
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There’s no right or wrong, but I grew up where two weeks paid vacation was considered a good benefit. Twenty days? Thiirty days? And that is just average. Tha is four to six weeks not working. That seems a little excessive for an average, if the goal is actually to produce something.If so, then what should the recommended “adult” paid leave time be?
I remember those days, too. That was in the early 1960s for me.
“Man does not live by bread alone,” nor by extension, live for baking the bread alone.