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Peter_J said:
I don’t know about 65%, but “in hypothetical one-on-one match-ups with Cruz and Rubio, Trump loses. Cruz leads Trump 54 to 41 percent”. That’s certainly hopeful, in terms of getting Cruz into the White House, but it still leaves things a bit precarious. Hypothetical one-on-one match-ups are fine, but the actual situation is that there are 3 similar/like-minded (?) candidates running against Trump at the moment. :o

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/272170-poll-trump-loses-head-to-head-vs-cruz-rubio
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Not in your face, ok?
Other than health care, where is Trump not conservative, specifically?
 
irishpatrick said:
I am not seeing what’s wrong with it. We have to remember that while 35% of the voters are for Trump, there remains a strong 60-65% who do not want Trump and they have every right to use the process to obtain a different nominee. If Trump wins the 1237 delegates outright, then the majority will have spoken and he will be the nominee. But, so long as there is not a majority, all bets are off.

I also don’t see people changing their votes based on these tactics.
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I don’t see anything wrong with it either.

But I can see people changing their votes to deny Trump a win.
 
signit said:
I don’t see anything wrong with it either.

But I can see people changing their votes to deny Trump a win.
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Perhaps, and that is my overall point. People can vote for whomever they want–this is all still part of the process.
 
What arrogance!They are only digging themselves in deeper as far as their persistent indifferance to the electorate.:mad:
 
NY Times:
How Trump Could Be Blocked at a
Contested Republican Convention
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A coalition of Republicans is banking on a scenario in which Donald J.
Trump fails to reach the 1,237 delegates required to secure the party’s
nomination before its July convention, creating a potential opening for
another nominee as the delegates vote on the convention floor. Related Article
Mr. Trump could lose support
as delegates become free
to vote as they please.
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                                                                     Most states “bind” their delegates to  candidates based on primary results. But most delegates are released if  no candidate wins a majority in an initial vote at the convention, so  those who were bound to Mr. Trump could shift their support. This  scenario is less likely if Mr. Trump is close to 1,237 delegates, or if  he continues to face a split opposition.
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The rest of the article is a flowchart showing how many delegates are freed up at each stage.
 
Joe_5859 said:
I’m no political science expert, but if he gets the delegates, I can’t see them nominating someone else, as much as they might want to. I think that would make a messy situation even messier. I’ve been wrong before, though. I don’t see Cruz running third party, though. He has to know that would only ensure that the Democrats win.
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I think you’re right. Trump’s ego would demand that he run a third party campaign, essentially handing the presidency to Hillary (assuming she gets the nomination) on a silver platter, so I see a lot of Republicans holding their noses and supporting him.

Our congressman is a former Democrat turned Republican many years ago. He’s a very bright, talented guy, who just won reelection (no Democrat running) against a truly hardcore, right-of-the-Tea Party, very scary type in a closer than comfortable primary. The congressman - who I very much like - just started tweeting about supporting the party’s nominee, unity, etc. I know that he’s got to realize Trump is a nut, but feels he has no choice.

So, many otherwise decent Republicans will end up supporting a lying, womanizing, foul-mouthed, hypocritical, racist neo-fascist because they feel they have little choice.

There are so few statesman left anymore.
 
I thought that most tech CEO’s were supporters of Hillary or Bernie. Why are they involved in GOP politics?
 
Interesting how when the establishment candidate is the frontrunner, as in past years, they tell us all to get on board “for the sake of the party”, but when someone they don’t like is taking the lead, they won’t do for that candidate what they’ve been forcing everyone else to do the last several elections, that is, coalesce around the leader.
Instead, they’ll try to bend the rules to break him.

I like Cruz the most, personally, but I think it’s disgraceful behavior by the establishment towards Trump.
 
dshix said:
Interesting how when the establishment candidate is the frontrunner, as in past years, they tell us all to get on board “for the sake of the party”, but when someone they don’t like is taking the lead, they won’t do for that candidate what they’ve been forcing everyone else to do the last several elections, that is, coalesce around the leader.
Instead, they’ll try to bend the rules to break him.
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Who is talking about breaking the rules? If Trump gets enough delegates he wins the nomination and all the other candidates have promised to support him.
If he doesn’t have enough delegates then it’s up to the convention to decide which leader to “coalesce around”.
 
dshix said:
Interesting how when the establishment candidate is the frontrunner, as in past years, they tell us all to get on board “for the sake of the party”, but when someone they don’t like is taking the lead, they won’t do for that candidate what they’ve been forcing everyone else to do the last several elections, that is, coalesce around the leader.
Instead, they’ll try to bend the rules to break him.

I like Cruz the most, personally, but I think it’s disgraceful behavior by the establishment towards Trump.
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I don’t like the backroom strategy they are planning against Trump either.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I don’t like the backroom strategy they are planning against Trump either.
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I’m no republican strategist or republican die hard fan, but I think it’s in the best interest of the RNC that trump does not get the nomination. The RNC has to become more moderate before men like trump become the face of it.
 
Well no secret the liberal fascists think the silent majority should shut up, and apparently the back room GOP members think so too. 😉 But I don’t think this is going away and it shouldn’t because real freedom is contingent and be it you like Trump or not.
 
didymus said:
NY Times:

The rest of the article is a flowchart showing how many delegates are freed up at each stage.
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I agree that an alternative to Trump could emerge as the nominee from a contested convention, probably Cruz or Kasich. The problem with that is of course the Trump supporters would walk. Cruz would have a better shot at uniting the party than Kasich. Kasich would alienate Cruz and Trump supporters - 60% of the base. The word ‘moderate’ needs to be banned from the floor of the convention. Which leaves us, alas, with Cruz.

But is Cruz overrated as the Trump alternative? I don’t know how well Cruz does going forward in winner take all states or even Tuesday night. But we could be pleasantly surprised. Cruz won Idaho and actually came ahead of Kasich in Michigan (isn’t that right?). I think he can play better nationally than people give him credit for - there is still a lot of anti-Cruz sentiment in the GOP and some of this ‘Cruz is too limited to the base’ argument could just be a smear tactic. I get the anti-Cruz vibe though; I share it frankly - the guy is a snake, backstabber, let’s not get sentimental here. He is just better than Trump and is our last reasonable hope at taking the White House. Also given the unprecedented chaos and crisis in national leadership the USA is facing in the election, we need Cruz to be a real man of the hour - dig deep - and open up to broadening his base and actually saving this country, beyond the rhetoric and flags. He does have real brains, backbone and a set of ideological principles that are in accordance with the Constitution. After he gets the nomination, the word moderate comes back into play and he tries, as hard as he can, to pivot to the center, with the hard right core intact of course.

The other alternative is a 3rd party candidate. Here we go another way: Kasich. A principled Republican/Democrat combo is basically what Kasich is - he would pull from Trump and Hillary. In my view, this is better for the country - but I have no idea if this could actually happen; I am just speculating.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Well no secret the liberal fascists think the silent majority should shut up, and apparently the back room GOP members think so too. 😉 But I don’t think this is going away and it shouldn’t because real freedom is contingent and be it you like Trump or not.
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The Trump crowd is neither silent, nor a majority.
 
didymus said:
Who is talking about breaking the rules? If Trump gets enough delegates he wins the nomination and all the other candidates have promised to support him.
If he doesn’t have enough delegates then it’s up to the convention to decide which leader to “coalesce around”.
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Exactly. This particular election cycle is getting everyone worked up since, even though Mr. Trump has “won” several states. he hasn’t won the majority vote in ANY primary/caucus so far. His biggest wins were only in the low 40% range and most were in the 30’s. There is no clear “winner” in terms of being the choice of the majority of Republican voters. That’s EXACTLY the kind of scenario a convention is supposed to sort out. Voters *should be *uncomfortable putting forward a candidate for the general election that 60% of Republicans voted against if the goal is to win the White House. The convention could coalesce the support one way or another.
 
dixieagle said:
So, many otherwise decent Republicans will end up supporting a lying, womanizing, foul-mouthed, hypocritical, racist neo-fascist because they feel they have little choice.

There are so few statesman left anymore.
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He hires every race.

We are all sinners

You are coming very close to giving scandal. Be careful.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Well no secret the liberal fascists think the silent majority should shut up, and apparently the back room GOP members think so too. 😉 But I don’t think this is going away and it shouldn’t because real freedom is contingent and be it you like Trump or not.
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This has nothing to do with liberals, this is a republican thing. We will never get this country straight if we always point to the left. Let’s be grown ups.
 
signit said:
But I can see people changing their votes to deny Trump a win.
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That’s an interesting way of putting it. I can only tell you that, for myself, I was a Rubio supporter but last week I decided that I am going to vote for Cruz instead. Some might call that an attempt to “deny Trump a win”, but I see it as an attempt to *give *a win to Cruz.
 
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