Three Days of Darkness?

[Tom317]

Our Lady predicted World War 2?

Anybody with a knowledge of politics and history could have predicted it (as many historians did) as early as 1919.

And when, exactly, did that war begin? 1939? Tell that to the Chinese, the Japanese, the British in Asia, the Lithuanians in the Memel…

As for revelation ending with John, we must be careful here. Insofar as the divinely inspired WORD ends traditionally with John on Patmos and the Apocalypse, fine. But that’s what’s meant by revelation ending with the last of the 12. And ONLY insofar as the divinely inspired Scriptures. Not everything John said or even wrote is divine revelation…only the 3 epistles, the gospel, and the apocalypse (cf. the tradition of Jerome that quotes other sayings of John. They do not = “divine revelation”).

Can God, or Mary, or a saint, decide to come and chat with someone? Sure.

Would God, or Mary, or a saint, tell people not to show mercy to people caught outside by some divinely inspired chastisement?

Sorry. Goes against everything in the gospels. Nope. Not possible.

Private revelations that contradict divinely revealed truth are clearly false and worthy of contempt.

According to the prophecies God will give a warning prior to the three days. Further, I wonder how people outside the Ark felt when the floods came, or how the people in Sodom and Gomorrah felt as they were burnt to a crisp, or how the families of the first borns felt during the Passover during which God destroyed all of the first borns, etc.

 

[AlexV]

Oh boy. Now we’re deep in the nonsense.

The faithless of the flood, the Egyptians of Moses’ day, the Sodomites…they’re just like everyone today who doesn’t accept the Three Days drivel.

Is this right up there with the pope didn’t really consecrate Russia according to exactly the magic formula Mary demanded at Fatima, ergo Russia isn’t consecrated?

This is called Gnosticism. The elite few know the truth! Privately revealed! Woe to the ignorant!

 

[Tom317]

And, you, Tom, started this thread by answering a simple question…does traditional Catholicism have a “BELIEF” in this story…with the simple answer “YES”.

That’s where the problem starts. You’ve confused your quite private opinion with Church “belief”.

That’s the typical problem of those who subscribe to the latest Marian teletype message.

What are you talking about? I am expressing the fact that Catholics can believe in private revelations and I have proved that to you. Why can’t you just admit you learned something and move on?

BTW, you are walking a journey of being quite insulting to Our Lady and to all who honor her with your statements of ?Marian teletype," etc…No-one here is saying Catholics should believe in unapproved apparitions or unapproved private revelations, they should not. The Church has formally ruled that some apparitions are of supernatural origin and that they are worthy of belief, you either accept the Church’s authority, or you do not…which is it?

 

[Tom317]

Oh boy. Now we’re deep in the nonsense.

The faithless of the flood, the Egyptians of Moses’ day, the Sodomites…they’re just like everyone today who doesn’t accept the Three Days drivel.

Is this right up there with the pope didn’t really consecrate Russia according to exactly the magic formula Mary demanded at Fatima, ergo Russia isn’t consecrated?

This is called Gnosticism. The elite few know the truth! Privately revealed! Woe to the ignorant!

You are full of insults. You do not want to discuss and learn, you want to attack and demean. Goodnight.

 

[AlexV]

I haven’t “learned” anything I didn’t already know. Did I deny that a Catholic is free to believe that certain things are true? Nope. You said there is a “belief” on the part of the “Church” that there is such a thing as Three Days of Darkness. That is false. The Church has no such belief. Some individuals do. Quite a different thing.

This has nothing to do with “accepting Church authority”. Your whole trend on this thread has been to come dangerously close to arguing that those who DON’T accept the Three Days of Darkness are somehow either:

1. Insulting to Mary,
2. Disrespectful of Mary and or the Church,
3. Going to be sorry on that day all the true believers can huddle inside with their candles and ignore the screams outside of the fools who didn’t believe their gnostic teachings.

A person asked a legitimate question. Does the Church have this belief? You said yes. That’s false. You do, and others. The Church does not.

 

[childofmary1143]

You are full of insults. You do not want to discuss and learn, you want to attack and demean. Goodnight.

Tom you Christ and I are a majority. Lets just ignore those people to their hate and rude behaviour.

You aren’t going to shut them up so lets just ignore them

 

[childofmary1143]

Our Lady predicted World War 2?

Anybody with a knowledge of politics and history could have predicted it (as many historians did) as early as 1919.

And when, exactly, did that war begin? 1939? Tell that to the Chinese, the Japanese, the British in Asia, the Lithuanians in the Memel…

As for revelation ending with John, we must be careful here. Insofar as the divinely inspired WORD ends traditionally with John on Patmos and the Apocalypse, fine. But that’s what’s meant by revelation ending with the last of the 12. And ONLY insofar as the divinely inspired Scriptures. Not everything John said or even wrote is divine revelation…only the 3 epistles, the gospel, and the apocalypse (cf. the tradition of Jerome that quotes other sayings of John. They do not = “divine revelation”).

Can God, or Mary, or a saint, decide to come and chat with someone? Sure.

Would God, or Mary, or a saint, tell people not to show mercy to people caught outside by some divinely inspired chastisement?

Sorry. Goes against everything in the gospels. Nope. Not possible.

Private revelations that contradict divinely revealed truth are clearly false and worthy of contempt.

Why are you so defensive? Nobody is guilting you into believing anything but you say heretical things like Public Revelation ended with Jesus and when we cite Authentic Catholic teaching you try to teach us with your theology and forget basic Christian virtue like saying your sorry for being wrong.

 

[bear06]

Zoinks! Ok, I find myself having to defend Alex. If that’s not a sign of the coming Three Days of Darkness, I don’t know what is!

Tom, I honestly can’t see Alex saying anything different from the Church teachings you gave. I think I saw where the misunderstanding began. I think this phrase is where Tom missed something.

Prophecy does indeed continue after the Ascension

I think, at least from Tom’s subsequent responses, that he read that quote this way. Prophecy does not continue after the Ascension. I think this because of the very next post which doesn’t contradict anything Alex said.

If you know the faith well, then you will know that public revelation is indeed closed, but private revelation continues to happen as the Church teaches. The three days od darkness is private revelation, not public, and therefore does not have to be believed. Yet, the Church does teach that private revelation continues to be received. Now, you either except what the Church teaches or you do not…which is it?

 

[Margaret33]

Your whole trend on this thread has been to come dangerously close to arguing that those who DON’T accept the Three Days of Darkness are somehow either:

1. Insulting to Mary,
2. Disrespectful of Mary and or the Church,

I’m sorry but I have to say something here. Tom in no way inferred that the Three Days of Darkness and one’s disbelief in the matter represented an insult or disrespect of Mary or the Church.

You insulted the mother of God all on your own by your irreverence in referring to Her throughout the entire thread. They weren’t just perceived by him, and were hardly a necessary ingredient to expressing your point. You’ve made your feelings about several matters completely known, (3 days of darkness completely aside), lets leave it at that.

Bless you
Margaret

 

[SFH]

Growing up my grandmother used to scare me with this. She always told me that she prayed that it would happen in her life time. She used to tell me about the wailing and the gnashing of teeth of the people outside. And that only blessed candles would be able to be lite during the 3 days. It was nightmare time when I stayed with her. I miss her.

And only someone in a state of grace will be able to light the candles.

 

[AlexV]

It’s distressing, to say the least, that Catholics…let alone traditional Catholics, who are supposedly free of newfangled ideas (which are really oldfangled ones, i.e., Gnosticism in new dress), would subscribe to such nonsense as:

1. It’s been announced by Mary, or Jesus, or St. Whoever, that unless you have 51% beeswax candles AND blessed matches, sorry, you’re in deep trouble on some triduum that is coming, possibly in your lifetime;
2. If you open your door to help a neighbor, you may die, so stay behind locked doors surrounded by your blessed objects.

The latter contradicts Catholic teaching for reasons of charity (the HIGHEST law); the former contradicts Catholic teaching on superstition.

Reducing the Virgin Mary to a mesenger of impending doom, wrath…forget it. THAT’S disrespecting Mary.

Spend some time reading the Fathers, or Medieval masters, on Mary. Spend the time you would be reading about terror from the heavens and asteroids and comets reading solid Catholic literature. Pray the Divine Office…THE HIGHEST prayer outside the Mass. Amazing that so few people pray it, especially if they subscribe to things like Fatima, Akita, La Salette, Garabandal, who knows where.

No prayer is as efficacious besides the Mass as the Divine Office.

As for my alleged heresy, sorry, try again. Public revelation ended with Christ. I’ve explained the apparent confusion about the issue of the Apostle John’s death and the divine inspiration of Sacred Scripture only.

 

[djrakowski]

1. It’s been announced by Mary, or Jesus, or St. Whoever, that unless you have 51% beeswax candles AND blessed matches, sorry, you’re in deep trouble on some triduum that is coming, possibly in your lifetime;
2. If you open your door to help a neighbor, you may die, so stay behind locked doors surrounded by your blessed objects.

The latter contradicts Catholic teaching for reasons of charity (the HIGHEST law); the former contradicts Catholic teaching on superstition.

Reducing the Virgin Mary to a mesenger of impending doom, wrath…forget it. THAT’S disrespecting Mary.

I’m glad you’ve described it this way, since this is exactly the reaction I’ve had to this thread.

I’d also like to thank Tom for posting the link to catholichealing.com, however, I don’t see where some of the more outrageous content of the message - that you will only be able to receive light from blessed beeswax candles, and that they will only be useful for godly people, a passage that was attributed to Marie de La Fraudais - has approved by Church authorities. The webpage simply says that the content has been approved, but doesn’t cite any sources.

The rest of the material, except for this passage, sounds very much the same as the passage from the passage frmo chapter 24 of St. Matthew’s gospel.

 

[Tom317]

Tom you Christ and I are a majority. Lets just ignore those people to their hate and rude behaviour.

You aren’t going to shut them up so lets just ignore them

Quite right. Some people just want to argue, and do not want to disucss and learn. Thanks for the advise, I think I will take it.

 

[AlexV]

Learn what?

About the alleged specifics of impending terror in the streets, secrets made known only to a few and their devotees, secrets full of gnostic wisdom that will “save” the elect while everyone else has to take their chances?

Sorry. That’s not Catholicism. That’s dime store millenialism.

Speculation about the end times is vain. That’s a clear message of the Gospels AND the Fathers and medieval masters.

Again, this thread started because someone asked a legitimate question. Does THE CHURCH have a BELIEF in the “Three Days of Darkness”?

You answered, without equivocation, YES.

That is false, and for the sake of the honest inquirer, it is good that someone make that clear. The Church does not have such a belief. You and a few others do. Quite a difference.

 

[Sir_Knight]

It’s distressing, to say the least, that Catholics…let alone traditional Catholics, who are supposedly free of newfangled ideas (which are really oldfangled ones, i.e., Gnosticism in new dress), would subscribe to such nonsense as:

1. It’s been announced by Mary, or Jesus, or St. Whoever, that unless you have 51% beeswax candles AND blessed matches, sorry, you’re in deep trouble on some triduum that is coming, possibly in your lifetime;
2. If you open your door to help a neighbor, you may die, so stay behind locked doors surrounded by your blessed objects.

The latter contradicts Catholic teaching for reasons of charity (the HIGHEST law); the former contradicts Catholic teaching on superstition.

Now THAT was a** very** INSIGHTFUL reply and gives me cause to re-think all of this.

 

[AlexV]

The main, bottom line reason why this whole “revelation” is deeply unCatholic is it has one basic object in mind:

How do I stay ALIVE?

Authentic Catholic thought does not worry about anything apocalyptic, because the “worst” thing that could befall a faithful Catholic is they die and go to heaven.

This whole “revelation” is based on the secret keys for how to survive. Survive what? Did the martyrs have secret codes for how to survive the horrors of ancient Rome? No. They embraced martyrdom, as the pages of Christian history make abundantly clear.

This image of huddling in your room surrounded by magical amulets reeks of superstition and, frankly, paganism.

 

[M-Dent]

It’s distressing, to say the least, that Catholics…let alone traditional Catholics, who are supposedly free of newfangled ideas (which are really oldfangled ones, i.e., Gnosticism in new dress), would subscribe to such nonsense as:

1. It’s been announced by Mary, or Jesus, or St. Whoever, that unless you have 51% beeswax candles AND blessed matches, sorry, you’re in deep trouble on some triduum that is coming, possibly in your lifetime;
2. If you open your door to help a neighbor, you may die, so stay behind locked doors surrounded by your blessed objects.

The latter contradicts Catholic teaching for reasons of charity (the HIGHEST law); the former contradicts Catholic teaching on superstition.

I’d agree this does have elements of superstition. Sacramentals help to prepare one to recieve grace and dispose us to cooperate with grace, yet.they do not confer grace.

Christ already gave the simple ‘formula’ for our well-being.

**‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind’. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself’. **

For us Catholics, be true in following the Sacraments and God will educate us how to love our neighbor. God protects. Candles don’t. Today it certainly can be challenging enough to stay focused on that.

 

[mikeledes]

My concern is how do we reconcile these “prophecies” with a far more reliable and infallible source, the Bible?

God Bless,
Michael

 

[djrakowski]

My concern is how do we reconcile these “prophecies” with a far more reliable and infallible source, the Bible?

Clearly, you can’t reconcile this idea that you have to hole yourself up in your house and refuse mercy to those suffering outside with the Bible. It violates the commandment to “love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

[johnstown_johnn]

I don’t need quotes from the Catechism to know that the stuff that started this thread, namely the whole mystique surrounding “Three (not Four or Two!) Days of Darkness” is utter nonsense, and that those seeking the truth about Catholicism shouldn’t be scared by the all too typical tactics of those who trot out these harrowing tales.

You sound like a prophet. Do you have your own following? How does one join your group?