Three Days of Darkness?

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Private revelations are not just add-ons to prophecy in the Bible. They are actually clarifications of things to come already written but not understood.

Prophecy does indeed continue AFTER the Ascension of Our Lord.

He breathed on his disciples the Holy Spirit and gave them powers to heal, teach and PROPHESY in His name.

I have to wonder how some folks just wipe away things such as private revelations and do not see them as prophecies of our time. As long as PI’s do not contradict the Gospels and are doctrinaslly sound, they have a place for us in the present. 🙂
 
johnstown_johnn said:
Private revelations are not just add-ons to prophecy in the Bible. They are actually clarifications of things to come already written but not understood.

Prophecy does indeed continue AFTER the Ascension of Our Lord.

He breathed on his disciples the Holy Spirit and gave them powers to heal, teach and PROPHESY in His name.

I have to wonder how some folks just wipe away things such as private revelations and do not see them as prophecies of our time. As long as PI’s do not contradict the Gospels and are doctrinaslly sound, they have a place for us in the present. 🙂
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Precisely which approved private revelations list the requirements for surviving the three days of darkness as blessed beeswax candles and not extending mercy to those suffering torment? And precisely how does this not contradict the character of the Lord we learn about in sacred scripture and tradition?

Thus far, I have kindly asked for someone to produce a source for the alleged approval of the apparitions/revelations that contain the material posted here about the three days of darkness, and none have produced it. The links that were produced contained references that compared Opus Dei to a Talmudic cult and referencede unapproved apparitions such as Bayside, Medjugorje and Garabandal.

Again, exactly why should this particular supposed revelation prompt any of us to action?
 
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Precisely which approved private revelations list the requirements for surviving the three days of darkness as blessed beeswax candles and not extending mercy to those suffering torment? And precisely how does this not contradict the character of the Lord we learn about in sacred scripture and tradition?

Thus far, I have kindly asked for someone to produce a source for the alleged approval of the apparitions/revelations that contain the material posted here about the three days of darkness, and none have produced it. The links that were produced contained references that compared Opus Dei to a Talmudic cult and referencede unapproved apparitions such as Bayside, Medjugorje and Garabandal.

Again, exactly why should this particular supposed revelation prompt any of us to action?
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Go here: catholichealing.com/articles/threedaysofdarkness.shtml
 
I “take time” on this subject because someone needs to counteract the appalling lack of awareness of Catholic tradition evident on this thread.

Prophecy does indeed continue after the Ascension. But prophecies/spirits must be discerned. REVELATION ended with Christ’s Ascension. Period, end of discussion.

These “prophecies” are amazingly frequently found in conjunction with all manner of foolishness and nonsense. They are born out of the frustration many feel with that simple dictum, “You know not the day, nor the hour.”
 
AlexV said:
I “take time” on this subject because someone needs to counteract the appalling lack of awareness of Catholic tradition evident on this thread.

Prophecy does indeed continue after the Ascension. But prophecies/spirits must be discerned. REVELATION ended with Christ’s Ascension. Period, end of discussion.

These “prophecies” are amazingly frequently found in conjunction with all manner of foolishness and nonsense. They are born out of the frustration many feel with that simple dictum, “You know not the day, nor the hour.”
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If you know the faith well, then you will know that public revelation is indeed closed, but private revelation continues to happen as the Church teaches. The three days od darkness is private revelation, not public, and therefore does not have to be believed. Yet, the Church does teach that private revelation continues to be received. Now, you either except what the Church teaches or you do not…which is it?
 
As I stated, prophecies do indeed continue.

And the Church teaches that ALL private revelations (including the “big” ones, Fatima, etc.) can be IGNORED.

We’re also allowed to criticize any and all of them.

I learned firsthand the dangers of this sort of thing when I was a liturgical master of ceremonies. It was the feast of the Transfiguration…and it was a Saturday. A group of parishioners were enraged we celebrated the Transfiguration. For them it was First Saturday and nothing else. Reminding them (educating them) about the liturgy and this truly great feast on 6 August was an exercise in futility. “Don’t you know about Fatima??” was all they could muster in their exasperation.

Focus on the essentials: the liturgy, for starters. It has rich treasures. A lot more than Mary’s alleged daily memos for the perennial worriers.
 
AlexV said:
As I stated, prophecies do indeed continue.

And the Church teaches that ALL private revelations (including the “big” ones, Fatima, etc.) be IGNORED.

We’re also allowed to criticize any and all of them.

I learned firsthand the dangers of this sort of thing when I was a liturgical master of ceremonies. It was the feast of the Transfiguration…and it was a Saturday. A group of parishioners were enraged we celebrated the Transfiguration. For them it was First Saturday and nothing else. Reminding them (educating them) about the liturgy and this truly great feast on 6 August was an exercise in futility. “Don’t you know about Fatima??” was all they could muster in their exasperation.

Focus on the essentials: the liturgy, for starters. It has rich treasures. A lot more than Mary’s alleged daily memos for the perennial worriers.
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The Church does NOT teach us to ignore private revelations. And, just because a person considers private revelations, does not mean they are not focused on the important things. Sure, some people have wrong priorities, just as you are wrongly attacking valid revelations.
 
Who says they’re “valid”?

The Church teaches that SOME of these “revelations” have nothing in them contrary to the Faith. Nothing more.

The Church teaches that SOME are also “worthy” of belief. Doesn’t say they’re true. Doesn’t say you can’t criticize them.

Most all the people who worry about this byroad of Catholicism don’t like hearing that ALL of these “revelations” are utterly unnecessary for salvation. Utterly.

The Church does not require belief in any private revelation (how could she, since revelation ended with Christ’s Ascension). Therefore, she does indeed teach that we can ignore them.
 
The way I see it is there is no sense in worrying about it now. All we really do is practice love, faith, good works, prayer, and love the Lord with all of your mind, soul, heart, strength. When it comes it comes. After all, Jesus did say that no one will know when the end will come…so to me, there is no use in worrying about it.
 
In 1917, when Our Lady of Fatima told the children that. “…the war will soon be over…” the war ended months later. (WW 1)

Also, “…there would be a greater war…signs in Heaven will signal the beginning…” The sign occurred in 1939 much of the world saw it; it was called Aurora Borealis. The war started in Europe that year. (WW 2)🙂
 
AlexV said:
Who says they’re “valid”?

The Church teaches that SOME of these “revelations” have nothing in them contrary to the Faith. Nothing more.

The Church teaches that SOME are also “worthy” of belief. Doesn’t say they’re true. Doesn’t say you can’t criticize them.

Most all the people who worry about this byroad of Catholicism don’t like hearing that ALL of these “revelations” are utterly unnecessary for salvation. Utterly.

The Church does not require belief in any private revelation (how could she, since revelation ended with Christ’s Ascension). Therefore, she does indeed teach that we can ignore them.
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Please, get it right. Public revelation ended with Christ, private revelation continues as the Church clearly teaches. The Church tells us that approved apparitions and prophecies are worthy of belief, but are not required. And yes you are correct about one point, private revelations are not required for salvation. Now, you are not going to change anyone’s mind because you do not even seem to understand what the Church teaches, so why are you here? (no insult intended, just curious)
 
On the contrary, it is you and others on this thread who are confusing “private” revelation with “revelation”, which properly belongs to the Divinity alone during the time before the Ascension of Christ.

You and others would have us believe the “private” revelations of various seers and would-be mystics are somehow a sort of appendix to divine revelation. They are not.

My posts are solidly Catholic. They are intended as antidote to the scare tactics of those who are concerned with such nonsense as roaming demons and having magic amulets to repel their attack.
 
First off Public Revelation ended with the last Apostle (St. John). Here is a quote from Newadvent.org:

***That Revelation was given in its entirety to Our Lord and His Apostles. After the death of the last of the twelve it could receive no increment. ***

newadvent.org/cathen/13001a.htm

If you have a source to refute this please by all means post it but don’t waste this thread by repeating an incorrect statement.

Private Revelation can be very useful for the laity as at Fatima Our Lady predicted WW2 and her prophecy was 100% accurate.
 
AlexV said:
On the contrary, it is you and others on this thread who are confusing “private” revelation with “revelation”, which properly belongs to the Divinity alone during the time before the Ascension of Christ.

You and others would have us believe the “private” revelations of various seers and would-be mystics are somehow a sort of appendix to divine revelation. They are not.

My posts are solidly Catholic. They are intended as antidote to the scare tactics of those who are concerned with such nonsense as roaming demons and having magic amulets to repel their attack.
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Read the caechism. There are two types of revelation: (1) Public, which is closed; (2) Private, which is ongoing and some has been approved by the Church as being worthy of belief. That is the teaching of the Church regarding revelation. It seems you do not want to admit that, so I beg you to secure a Catechism, and some good documents of the Church, and you will learn the truth.

Public Revelation is the only form that is required to be believed, private revelation is not required to be believed, yet it is often productive to have faith in approved private revelations.

One point that you have said is accurate: Private revelation does not add to the faith, nor is it required for salvation. Therefore, you are free to NOT believe the private revelations, just as other Catholics are free to believe them (so long as they are approved).

In other words, you are acting as a Catholic to not believe private revelations, and I am acting as a Catholic when I do believe private revelations. Those are facts of the faith that are quite indisputable.
 
Our Lady predicted World War 2?

Anybody with a knowledge of politics and history could have predicted it (as many historians did) as early as 1919.

And when, exactly, did that war begin? 1939? Tell that to the Chinese, the Japanese, the British in Asia, the Lithuanians in the Memel…

As for revelation ending with John, we must be careful here. Insofar as the divinely inspired WORD ends traditionally with John on Patmos and the Apocalypse, fine. But that’s what’s meant by revelation ending with the last of the 12. And ONLY insofar as the divinely inspired Scriptures. Not everything John said or even wrote is divine revelation…only the 3 epistles, the gospel, and the apocalypse (cf. the tradition of Jerome that quotes other sayings of John. They do not = “divine revelation”).

Can God, or Mary, or a saint, decide to come and chat with someone? Sure.

Would God, or Mary, or a saint, tell people not to show mercy to people caught outside by some divinely inspired chastisement?

Sorry. Goes against everything in the gospels. Nope. Not possible.

Private revelations that contradict divinely revealed truth are clearly false and worthy of contempt.
 
AlexV said:
On the contrary, it is you and others on this thread who are confusing “private” revelation with “revelation”, which properly belongs to the Divinity alone during the time before the Ascension of Christ.

You and others would have us believe the “private” revelations of various seers and would-be mystics are somehow a sort of appendix to divine revelation. They are not.

My posts are solidly Catholic. They are intended as antidote to the scare tactics of those who are concerned with such nonsense as roaming demons and having magic amulets to repel their attack.
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To make it easy on you, here are two important paragraphs from the Catechism:

CCC 66 “The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

*CCC 67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.*
 
I don’t need quotes from the Catechism to know that the stuff that started this thread, namely the whole mystique surrounding “Three (not Four or Two!) Days of Darkness” is utter nonsense, and that those seeking the truth about Catholicism shouldn’t be scared by the all too typical tactics of those who trot out these harrowing tales.
 
And, you, Tom, started this thread by answering a simple question…does traditional Catholicism have a “BELIEF” in this story…with the simple answer “YES”.

That’s where the problem starts. You’ve confused your quite private opinion with Church “belief”.

That’s the typical problem of those who subscribe to the latest Marian teletype message.
 
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