Three Days of Darkness?

[DustinsDad]

I never heard of that. Can you tell me where in the Old Testament it says that?

The poster is probably referring to Genisis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

Many interpretations and misinterpretations abound on this verse. The most logical explanaiton I have heard is that the sons of God in this case where the decendants of Seth, and the daughters of men where the decendants of Cain and the rest of Adam and Eve’s offspring. To put the proper interepretation in a nutshell as best as I remember, this was the faithful children of God becoming tainted by the unfaithful by intermarriage and what-not.

That’s how I remember it anyway…I would welcome any correction.

BTW - I’ve been following this thread and haven’t jumped in as yet, just watching. I have read Desmond Birch’s book “Trial, Tribulation and Triumph”, and it’s the best treatment I’ve seen of the prophesies and private revelations surrounding the chastisement, etc. I recommend it highly.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

 

[johnstown_johnn]

No, “some” of the good ones stay, many good people will die as a result of the chastisement.

It comes to whether or not you believe that God will chastise the world for its rampant sins.

There will be survivors.those that washed their robes in the Blood of the Lamb…

 

[sosayi1960]

There will be survivors.those that washed their robes in the Blood of the Lamb…

Thank God for the book of Revelation. I agree with you. This is in Sacred Scripture.

 

[archangel63]

Baptized in fire…
It could be our sun throwing off a massive solar flare enveloping Earth. I mean think about it, Jesus said when the end comes nobody will expect it…

He tells us there will be signs. He mentions it’ll hit us out of the complete blue (something unexpected outta left field). The NT mentions that AFTER the tribulation the sun will not shine, the moon will be darkened, the stars will be falling from the sky, and the heavens will be shaken. If it’s not supernatural (which it could be) than what could cause that? Perhaps something we’ve never conceived of?

I know we’re all Catholic here but do you guys know about the Mayan calendar and the year 2012? On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years. This means that whatever energy typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time. Scientist are worried what this could do to our sun. What if it makes it heat up and the world revolves around like a roast beef on a rotissarie spit?

Who knows? Only the Father in heaven.

Pray, do penance, and you will have no fear when it happens. You will feel safe in being close to God, even in adversity.

I think whatever goes down, it’s gonna be heading in from outer space. The NT mentions we get hit by a mountain on fire that “basically” opens up Hell. Imagine if somehting huge hit the planet and popped a gigantic hole into our core, spewing lava all over, firestorms, earthquakes, tidal waves. Continents would sink in minutes, and the ocean floor would rise in places. The map of the world will become totally different. A new Garden of Eden.

What about the Planet X theory? Did you know other planets in our solar sustem are warming up too? It’s not just Earth.

Well, we could worry ourselves with all kinds of theories, but the fact is the NT tells us not to worry. That worrying is bad. We’re all gonna have our “doomsday” at some point, because we all die, unfortunately we can’t pick if it’s gonna be painful, violent, or in our sleep…soooo, we just need to be prepared like Jesus told us. Always be prepared to meet your maker.

 

[childofmary1143]

I know we’re all Catholic here but do you guys know about the Mayan calendar and the year 2012? On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years. This means that whatever energy typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time. Scientist are worried what this could do to our sun. What if it makes it heat up and the world revolves around like a roast beef on a rotissarie spit?

Do you have a link for more information about that?

 

[Jennifer_G]

Do you have a link for more information about that?

Google.

There’s a ton of websites out there that mention the Maya, along with the poles flipping. 26,000 years comes up for…

Maya prophecies
Poles flipping
Planet X

The Solar System is huge, so you’d think we’d be feeling such effects already for the past few thousand years. 5 years is only a drop in the bucket.

 

[archangel63]

The Solar System is huge, so you’d think we’d be feeling such effects already for the past few thousand years. 5 years is only a drop in the bucket.

Yeah, just Google: “Mayan 2012” and you will find tons of sites on it.

If the poles on Earth flipped the plates might not move along with it, which would wreak total destruction on this planet. But the end is supposed to be the world consumed into fire, so I’m not sure how this would occur. What could set our whole globe on fire (that isn’t manmade - nuclear weapons)? I’d say our sun is a good guess, either that or something coming from out of the blue (a comet, a dark star). It does say something about the sun getting 7 times hotter in the end days somewhere in the NT. Maybe our sun starts growing (because something going near our solar system causes it too)? The Warning in many of these prophecies tells of signs in the heavens and sun; that the warning will scare everyone half to death and that if we don’t repent we will be chastised badly. What if the warning is a comet orbiting around the sun that we see and are told it will be only months before it flings off and comes our way…now there’s a scary warning that would turn mankind’s world into a nightmare. That would turn alot of people to God.

But, like Jesus said it will be coming when people least expect it. The Planet X theory has been saying that this celestial body is coming from underneath (headed towards Antarctica). We’d never see it coming if that were the case, cause Antarctica is kinda the world’s blind spot.

planetxinbound.com/usgovpx.htm

Funny thing is I’ve heard the Vatican has “observatories”? Don’t you think that’s a bit odd? Why on earth would the Vatican need space observatories? What are they studying? I thought they were men of God, not science?

clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VO.html
space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/vatican_observe_000716.html

Also, there was an observatory set up recently by our government in Australia called Project Wormwood. Scary name, huh?

ips.gov.au/IPSHosted/neo/index.html

Did you know the poles on Neptune and Uranus have shifted by as much as 45 degrees? If that happens to Earth we’re in alot of trouble. Weird things are happening to all our planets. Mars is warming up. It’s ice caps are melting like ours. My hunch is that global warming is not caused by man, but by something much larger. Did you know our planet is warming from the inside out? The ice caps are melting underneath, not on top. Is our core heating up? And why? Our furthest planets out are shifting and moving, doing weird things. Something is tugging on them. Question is, what is it?

angelfire.com/oh2/peterr/annex/PhenomenaReported1/PR.html

We think we know everything, but we really know so very little.

 

[Techno2000]

Yeah, just Google: “Mayan 2012” and you will find tons of sites on it.

If the poles on Earth flipped the plates might not move along with it, which would wreak total destruction on this planet. But the end is supposed to be the world consumed into fire, so I’m not sure how this would occur. What could set our whole globe on fire (that isn’t manmade - nuclear weapons)? I’d say our sun is a good guess, either that or something coming from out of the blue (a comet, a dark star). It does say something about the sun getting 7 times hotter in the end days somewhere in the NT. Maybe our sun starts growing (because something going near our solar system causes it too)? The Warning in many of these prophecies tells of signs in the heavens and sun; that the warning will scare everyone half to death and that if we don’t repent we will be chastised badly. What if the warning is a comet orbiting around the sun that we see and are told it will be only months before it flings off and comes our way…now there’s a scary warning that would turn mankind’s world into a nightmare. That would turn alot of people to God.

But, like Jesus said it will be coming when people least expect it. The Planet X theory has been saying that this celestial body is coming from underneath (headed towards Antarctica). We’d never see it coming if that were the case, cause Antarctica is kinda the world’s blind spot.

planetxinbound.com/usgovpx.htm

Funny thing is I’ve heard the Vatican has “observatories”? Don’t you think that’s a bit odd? Why on earth would the Vatican need space observatories? What are they studying? I thought they were men of God, not science?

clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VO.html
space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/vatican_observe_000716.html

Also, there was an observatory set up recently by our government in Australia called Project Wormwood. Scary name, huh?

ips.gov.au/IPSHosted/neo/index.html

Did you know the poles on Neptune and Uranus have shifted by as much as 45 degrees? If that happens to Earth we’re in alot of trouble. Weird things are happening to all our planets. Mars is warming up. It’s ice caps are melting like ours. My hunch is that global warming is not caused by man, but by something much larger. Did you know our planet is warming from the inside out? The ice caps are melting underneath, not on top. Is our core heating up? And why? Our furthest planets out are shifting and moving, doing weird things. Something is tugging on them. Question is, what is it?

angelfire.com/oh2/peterr/annex/PhenomenaReported1/PR.html

We think we know everything, but we really know so very little.

The 3 Days of darkness will be Supernatural event.

 

[Techno2000]

The 3 Days of darkness will be A Supernatural event.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Google.

There’s a ton of websites out there that mention the Maya, along with the poles flipping. 26,000 years comes up for…

Maya prophecies
Poles flipping
Planet X

The Solar System is huge, so you’d think we’d be feeling such effects already for the past few thousand years. 5 years is only a drop in the bucket.

Are you referring to a physical flip of the poles, or just a reversal of the magnetic field. I have seen some good articles on the latter, but have not seen a serious discussion of the former.

 

[Sir_Knight]

I never heard of that. Can you tell me where in the Old Testament it says that?

Genesis 6:4 … In those days, and for some time after, giant Nephilites lived on the earth, for whenever the sons of God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient times.

 

[djrakowski]

I never heard of that. Can you tell me where in the Old Testament it says that?

I vaguely remember the Book of Enoch.

There’s no such thing as a “Book of Enoch” in Catholic Bibles.

 

[Shoshana]

There’s no such think as a “Book of Enoch” in Catholic Bibles.

I am aware of that…but I believe it expounds on this issue of angel-human form. I can understand why it is not part of the Catholic Bibleé

 

[Deo_Volente]

Grace & Peace!

Fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom! You might want to keep that in mind when you ponder these topics.

I certainly agree with you here, but I wonder if you’re making a distinction between fear as awe and fear as abject anxiety.

I fear God because he’s God, because he is overwhelmingly awesome and terrifying in his sublimity, overpowering in majesty, a consuming fire of glorious love, a blinding sun of beauty. I do not fear God because of private prophecies which suggest that he is an unstable psychopath or sociopath.

Jesus says, “be not anxious.” We are given the witness that “perfect love casteth out fear.” What these verses decry is abject anxiety, not awe.

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Indeed. Cultivate the proper fear and wisdom will come. Court anxiety, and only anxiety will come.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!

 

[Deo_Volente]

Grace & Peace!

It’s a start. How and why can come later. The important thing is that people turn from their evil ways.

I think your notion of what it means to turn from evil is deficient. Repentence is not merely a turning from evil, but turning toward God. You’re not running from sin, you’re running to God. Let’s get our relational priorities correct.

It is therefore not a start if the primary focus of the relationship with God does not have God as the beginning, middle, and end–if God is not the touchstone of the relationship (i.e., if sin and its avoidance is the touchstone).

Your answer is profoundly unsatisfactory–you are suggesting that a relationship with the God who says “be not anxious” should be predicated on anxiety–fear of punishment, not love of God. What if “how and why” do not come later? Ultimately, you’re suggesting that anxiety replace relationship,or that it’s a fitting substitute if relationship can’t be had. What kind of a theology is that?

They began BEFORE the effects of an Atomic War was known.

How much before? Just curious…and I’m not talking of the Biblical prophecies of darkness.

It may not be the image given to us by Jesus but it IS the image given to us in the Old Testament

Great–you keep to the Mosaic law, I’ll follow the Royal Law of Love.

Granted, the Old Testament images of God are very compelling, but let’s think for a moment regarding the gloss which the church applies to those images–is it not Jesus Christ, who is the express and perfect image of the Father? With such a gloss, there is no room for your “but it is the image in the Old Testament.” It just makes no sense. There’s no room for “but.”

… Didn’t Moses hold back the wrath of God? And what does it say about God? “That he’s a wrathful impetuous sort of guy–not slow to anger and abounding in lovingkindness–a wrathful old man.”

Moses did not literally hold back the wrath of God–do you think God can be bargained with? Do you think that God can be coerced? Do you have any power over God that you can influence him one way or another? Is God a puppet to be manipulated? A child to be coddled? A psychopath to be appeased?

The story in scripture involving Moses holding back God’s hand is instructive, but not literal. Moses is clearly shown to be a righteous man advocating to God for Israel, and God is shown to be merciful and relenting. Moses is attuned to God’s mercy and allows it to reveal itself. That’s the purpose of the story.

But hermeneutics aside, how do you account for this from the Psalms? “The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in lovingkindness.” The dissonance between the wrathful image of God (which is a tribal warrior deity image) and the image of God in the Psalms as compassionate and gracious is overcome by the person of Christ who shows us who God is.

Consider Origen’s good advice–if we come to an interpretation of scripture that leads us to an image of God which does not match what we know of God in Christ (i.e., if we have in image of God as a psychopath or a grumpy old man in the sky), then our interpretation is at fault.

And doesn’t Malachi 3:6 tell us that God does not change from generation to generation?

God does not change, we do. That is, our images of God change. Malachi’s understanding of God is not identical to the earlier images of God as principally a tribal war deity. Malachi’s understanding is richer, more nuanced, more true (particularly in the light of the Incarnation).

You are conflating the tribal war deity image (who gets angry, who stops being angry–which itself suggests emotional change), with the changeless ONE of which Malachi speaks.

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[Deo_Volente]

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Why? Doesn’t the Old Testament tell us that demons had relationships with women and produced a giant race that was ultimately destroyed in the flood.

I don’t follow what you are saying. The angels are spiritual beings and are free of sin. We are in the flesh and according to scripture, even the most pious of us sins against God at least seven times.

We are told that the Sons of God lusted after the daughters of men. Are the demons Sons of God? Does a spiritual creature literally have genetic material to pass on to offspring?

And let’s not forget that matter is a gift to us, our bodies are a gift. God made matter good, and as it has no will of its own, its nature is directed towards the good unless it is perverted by the uses to which it is put. In other words, matter is an instrument of our salvation–that is, more or less, its purpose. Is it so for the demons too? The ones who presumably incarnate? When a demon takes a body, is it possible for that body (in keeping with its nature) to be an instrument for the demon’s salvation? . I doubt it–in other words, matter is foreign to the demons. They have no flesh natural to them–they can only assume it or incarnate.

But how is this incarnation accomplished? Do they inhabit a body? Animate it? Is it accomplished through possession? Or do they, like Jesus Christ become flesh? And how is that possible? How is it that a demon, who has no flesh, can become flesh? Do they share in the nature of the flesh into which they incarnate, like Jesus did? If they don’t, how is it that they incarnate, as the only nature they would inhabit is their own, and as their own nature is fleshless, how is it that they can put on flesh?

I think your more folkloric familiarity with demonology is lacking in practical specifics–and is perhaps informed by watching to many films or TV shows.

It is best to assume that the demons may appear to be material. But that appearance is only that, an appearance.

What does it say about God’s when He allows demons to tempt us so that can end up being damned to hell. Or, about allowing demons to possess us requiring an exorcisim?

Your theology is a mystery to me–are you actually suggesting that God allows demons to tempt us in order that we can be damned and not in order that we can overcome the temptation and live? That is not Christian theology, friend. I suggest you re-read your catechism.

Possession, like any trial or suffering, is an opportunity to offer that suffering to God and thereby draw nearer to him. No, the demon is not an instrument of a better relationship with God–the demon is a thorn, the suffering it produces in us is potentially a gateway to holiness.

But that doesn’t seem to be the understanding of these prophecies which speak of the demons running through streets, knocking on doors (how polite), and “devouring” people who don’t have the proper objects to keep them at bay.

I’m sorry, but I cannot lend much credence to these private prophecies which do indeed look more like perversions of the gospel. The church may see them as useful in some way, but I think her reluctance to accept them as truth speaks volumes with regard to their actual substance.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!

 

[Tom317]

Grace & Peace!

I certainly agree with you here, but I wonder if you’re making a distinction between fear as awe and fear as abject anxiety.

I fear God because he’s God, because he is overwhelmingly awesome and terrifying in his sublimity, overpowering in majesty, a consuming fire of glorious love, a blinding sun of beauty. I do not fear God because of private prophecies which suggest that he is an unstable psychopath or sociopath.

Jesus says, “be not anxious.” We are given the witness that “perfect love casteth out fear.” What these verses decry is abject anxiety, not awe.

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Indeed. Cultivate the proper fear and wisdom will come. Court anxiety, and only anxiety will come.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!

While I agree with much of what you said, my overall view is a bit different.

When I was a child I loved my father, yet I feared him at the same time because I knew that if I did some truly wrong I would have to suffer his wrath. Similarily, I love God with all of my heart, and yes I am in awe of God as well; however, I also hold a true fear of God for He is all knowing, all powerful, and has my life in His hands. I trust in God’s mercy and love, yet I fear His wrath…that is, imo, the proper fear of the Lord and is the beginning of wisdom (a view that has been all but lost on the modern world btw and it is to the detriment of many souls that it has been lost).

 

[djrakowski]

Here’s what our priest has to say about the “Three Days of Darkness” -

I have heard about it too and this information is coming from private apparitions that do not have Church’s approval and I would doubt that they were examined by the Church. So I would not promote it at all. I hold what Bible teaches that no one knows the day or hour so be prepared…anytime. Be in God’s sanctifying grace.

Our priest is straight-arrow orthodox, totally faithful to the Catholic Church, and traditionalist in outlook. He’s aware that there are members of our parish who’ve made preparations, but he doesn’t think it is necessary.

I know others have mentioned that this is private revelation and therefore not binding, but I thought it would be useful to offer the opinion of at least one priest.

I’ll leave this thread with a quote from sacred scripture:

2 Timothy 1:7 (DRB) - “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear: but of power, and of love, and of sobriety.”

Stay in the sancifying grace of Our Lord, and you have no reason to fear. Seems like excellent advice to me!

 

[Tom317]

Here’s what our priest has to say about the “Three Days of Darkness” -

Our priest is straight-arrow orthodox, totally faithful to the Catholic Church, and traditionalist in outlook. He’s aware that there are members of our parish who’ve made preparations, but he doesn’t think it is necessary.

I know others have mentioned that this is private revelation and therefore not binding, but I thought it would be useful to offer the opinion of at least one priest.

I’ll leave this thread with a quote from sacred scripture:
Stay in the sancifying grace of Our Lord, and you have no reason to fear. Seems like excellent advice to me!

Your Priest is very wise. It is wise to be ready at all times. Which really is the central message of the three days, that we never know the time, so we should be ready now.

 

[Sir_Knight]

I think your notion of what it means to turn from evil is deficient. Repentence is not merely a turning from evil, but turning toward God. You’re not running from sin, you’re running to God. Let’s get our relational priorities correct.

It is therefore not a start if the primary focus of the relationship with God does not have God as the beginning, middle, and end–if God is not the touchstone of the relationship (i.e., if sin and its avoidance is the touchstone).

Your answer is profoundly unsatisfactory–you are suggesting that a relationship with the God who says “be not anxious” should be predicated on anxiety–fear of punishment, not love of God. What if “how and why” do not come later? Ultimately, you’re suggesting that anxiety replace relationship,or that it’s a fitting substitute if relationship can’t be had. What kind of a theology is that?

The mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that FEAR him – Psalm 103:17.

How much before? Just curious…and I’m not talking of the Biblical prophecies of darkness.

St. Faustina talked about it prior to WWII. And wasn’t it also mentioned at Fautima decades earlier?

Great–you keep to the Mosaic law, I’ll follow the Royal Law of Love.

Granted, the Old Testament images of God are very compelling, but let’s think for a moment regarding the gloss which the church applies to those images–is it not Jesus Christ, who is the express and perfect image of the Father? With such a gloss, there is no room for your “but it is the image in the Old Testament.” It just makes no sense. There’s no room for “but.”

Didn’t Christ say that He did not come to abolish the old law but to fulfill it?

Moses did not literally hold back the wrath of God–do you think God can be bargained with? Do you think that God can be coerced? Do you have any power over God that you can influence him one way or another? Is God a puppet to be manipulated? A child to be coddled? A psychopath to be appeased?

The story in scripture involving Moses holding back God’s hand is instructive, but not literal. Moses is clearly shown to be a righteous man advocating to God for Israel, and God is shown to be merciful and relenting. Moses is attuned to God’s mercy and allows it to reveal itself. That’s the purpose of the story.

You obviously disagree, but to me, it certainly sounds like Moses’ intercessory prayer influenced God to spare His people …

Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation." But Moses sought the favor of the LORD his God. “O LORD,” he said, "why should your anger burn against your people, whom you brought out of Egypt with great power and a mighty hand? Why should the Egyptians say, ‘It was with evil intent that he brought them out, to kill them in the mountains and to wipe them off the face of the earth’? Turn from your fierce anger; relent and do not bring disaster on your people. Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: ‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.’ " Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened. – Exodus 32:10-14

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