Three Days of Darkness?

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shannyk said:
Is it even conceivable that it could be ‘required’ to have something material for our spiritual well being? Where does that leave people who don’t/can’t have these ‘things’? I don’t have to have a Bible, a Rosary, a Scapular, or any Sacramental item to be saved. Why on earth would I have to have a beeswax candle? It’s rather heretical to say that God would require us to possess material goods to achieve salvation.
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My goodness, how could I have been so thick-headed as to have missed this most excellent point? Thank you for writing this!
 
Considering when you think about how many material things are absolutely necessary to have a mass I am amazed that people dismiss beeswax candles.

Jesus said that unless we eat his flesh and drink his blood we will not have life within us. Surely that is important and vital for our salvation. Can one receive communion with no host or wine? Of course not. Where do they come from? They don’t just appear. They are material things that are made on earth.

The Rosary beads are material objects but the prayers that are said impart Grace and Grace is necessary for salvation. The Bible may be made from a tree (paper comes from that) but its message is vital for our salvation.

I can’t speak for anybody else but I have never suggested that having 51% beeswax candles is necessary for salvation.

As I said before and I will say again Public Revelation ended with the death of St. John the Apostle. To say otherwise is heresy.

As for the Church not telling us to prepare for the 3 days of darkness specifically, I would like to ask anybody here if they can remember if the Church warned the faithful about WW2 breaking out when the Prophecy about the strange lights came true.
 
djrakowski said:
Clearly, you can’t reconcile this idea that you have to hole yourself up in your house and refuse mercy to those suffering outside with the Bible. It violates the commandment to “love your neighbor as yourself.”
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I have a friend who’s “into” the TDoD. I’ll just clarify he one beliefe. The believe that we are to trust that the rest of the faithful are safe and that the sounds we hear outside (i.e. friends and neighbors) are demons trying to tempt us to rejec this trust.

Remember, my belief is lacking on this one so don’t take this to mean that I believe this. Just thought I’d point out what they (or at least she) believes on this matter.

I’ve always thought that this prophecy sounds like the Rapture. Catholics don’t believe in the Rapture.
 
childofmary1143 said:
As for the Church not telling us to prepare for the 3 days of darkness specifically, I would like to ask anybody here if they can remember if the Church warned the faithful about WW2 breaking out when the Prophecy about the strange lights came true.
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Yet, the overall prescription to avoid calamity was a reminder man is wounded by sin (concupiscence), a call to prayer and to be faithful. Nothing out of the bounds of what Jesus Christ taught.

On that note, I have Sacramentals in my home because they are excellent reminders for me. And have faith they do help me keep in mind that the Holy Spirit confers grace.
 
Where has the Church declared otherwise? In what forum has the Church taught that Catholics ought to have a 3 days of darkness survival kit in their homes? Where has the Church put conditions on the mercy we’re to extend to the suffering? Why aren’t priests, bishops and even the Pope speaking, writing and preaching publically about this? Don’t you think this would at least concern them somewhat that there are possibly hundreds of millions of unprepared Catholics who would die as a result of not knowing what to do in this situation?
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This is a good point and another question I’ve always had about this one. I really have trouble believing the Padre Pio mentioned this once in a private letter and, yet, never wrote about it in anything for public consumption.
 
shannyk said:
Just want to add that Alex is 100% right here.

Every point he’s made has been right on target correct according to the teachings of the CC.

The misunderstanding comes in when people don’t fully know what the Church teaches regarding saints, apparitions, public and private revelation, sacred scripture, and the Old and New covenants.

If everyone read up on those there would be nothing to discuss here.

Yes exactly. This only bolsters what Alex said. Revelation IS already complete (as it states above), and it remains for US to glean from it all of it’s intended meaning. That comes from human growth and expanded knowledge and understanding, not from further revelation (as this clearly states).
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Wrong! Alex said many times that revelation was closed, done, over, complete. That is false and shows a deep misunderstanding of the faith. Public revelation is closed, done, over, complete, yet private revelation continues and the three days of darkness falls under private revelation.
 
World War II started…when exactly? Historians disagree. Tell the people in China it started in 1939. Or Japan. I guess Mary was not thinking of Asia. Even in Europe, tell the Lithuanians and Czechs the war started in 1939.

As for my comments on divine revelations, public and private, they stand. I’d warn ChildofMary that she could be suspended for continuing to throw around accusations of “heresy”.

As for you Tom, if I say Mary appeared to me today and told me to stockpile spam (preferably blessed), is that part of revelation?

If it really happened, sure. If not, nope.

My comments on revelation were correct. They were Catholic. YOU started this thread by saying the CHURCH had a BELIEF in the Three Days of Darkness.

It does not. You do. Quite a difference.

The Church has never sanctioned this Three Days business. Not ever. We have what we need for salvation. We have EVERYTHING we need. Catholics don’t go looking for extra information, especially after Christ said not to worry.

Gnostics DO seek secret wisdom…
 
djrakowski said:
Except that there’s no certainty that this is God’s warning, since this is a private revelation that hasn’t been approved by the Church.

Where has the Church declared otherwise? In what forum has the Church taught that Catholics ought to have a 3 days of darkness survival kit in their homes? Where has the Church put conditions on the mercy we’re to extend to the suffering? Why aren’t priests, bishops and even the Pope speaking, writing and preaching publically about this? Don’t you think this would at least concern them somewhat that there are possibly hundreds of millions of unprepared Catholics who would die as a result of not knowing what to do in this situation?

It doesn’t matter how many times you compare this to what happened in the Old Testament. This is nothing at all like what happened to those who mocked Noah, or what happened to Lot’s wife. This is a private revelation that supposedly occured after the close of public revelation, that isn’t contained in any approved apparitions, that hasn’t been the subject of any mass attempt by the bishops, priests and popes to educate Catholics of their peril and instructs Catholics to disobey the Biblical commandment to extend mercy to the suffering.

It doesn’t wash.
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I don’t agree, but it is fruitless to argue with you. Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut. 🙂
 
mikeledes said:
I believe that such a serious event, in which people’s lives and salvation are endangered, would be preached in every Catholic pulpit if it were taken seriously by the Church. If the Church has not taken this “prophecy” seriously, why should I?

God Bless,
Michael
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The Church has not been given a public revelation about this (though some Scriptures point to the possibility), which means the Church cannot warn of something that it has not received through public revelation. The point is, the three days is private revelation and the Church will never warn us things contained in private revelation, even when it approves of them. Fatima is a very good example. The Church has approved those revelations, yet it does not undertake a task of warning the world about the contents of its messages because the Church has not publicly receeived those warnings. Public revelation is closed.
 
The Church passes judgment on SOME private revelations that there is nothing in them that is contrary to faith or morals.

That’s it.

This thread isn’t about Fatima. It’s about the alleged Three Days of Darkness.

NO approval of ANY kind has been given to those allegations.

Your view that Scripture supports it is private interpretation, nothing more.
 
Tom317 said:
Wrong! Alex said many times that revelation was closed, done, over, complete. That is false and shows a deep misunderstanding of the faith. Public revelation is closed, done, over, complete, yet private revelation continues and the three days of darkness falls under private revelation.
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This might be a bit easier. Do you think Alex believes or disbelieves in Fatima? And exactly what is Fatima? Then turn around and ask Alex what he believes on the issue.
 
bear06 said:
Can I just say that if I had to base my belief on the TDoD on Yves Dupont, I’d choose Alex?😉 I have some issues with Yves Dupont completely outside the TDoD issue.
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Private revelations do not have to be believed, no-one is trying to force you or anyone else to believe private revelations. If you, or others, think the three days is utter nonsense, then fine, I accept your view and respect your view, I just do not agree.

IMO, the three days will happen, if in some people’s eyes that makes me nuts, okay I can live with that. 🙂
 
bear06 said:
This might be a bit easier. Do you think Alex believes or disbelieves in Fatima? And exactly what is Fatima? Then turn around and ask Alex what he believes on the issue.
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It makes no difference to me what anyone else believes about private revelations. It just does not impact my faith in any way.
 
Tom317 said:
It seems very harsh that Lot’s wife looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt, it seems harsh that Noah and crew sat in a huge ark as people around them were washed away, it seems harhs for people to hear the sounds of first borns dying outside their homes during the Passover, it seems like superstition to believe that placing blood on a door can protect an entire home, etc…
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Tom, you are treading in dangerous waters: You are JUDGING God. Please, take a deep breath and accept God’s actions as holy and perfect in every way. 🙂

God’s ways are NOT our ways.
 
johnstown_johnn said:
Tom, you are treading in dangerous waters: You are JUDGING God. Please, take a deep breath and accept God’s actions as holy and perfect in every way. 🙂

God’s ways are NOT our ways.
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I was not judging God’s ways, I was merely countering the mistaken thought that the three days would somehow be unfair. If God sends the three days, how can it be unfair or unmerciful? That is my point.
 
Tom317 said:
I was not judging God’s ways, I was merely countering the mistaken thought that the three days would somehow be unfair. If God sends the three days, how can it be unfair or unmerciful? That is my point.
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I didn’t say that the 3 days would be unfair, but rather, that any command to avoid extending mercy to those crying for it outside would be a command that goes against the sacred scriptures (in which we’re commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves - Lev. 19:18, Matt. 19:19 and 22:39, Mark 12:31, Luke 10:27, Rom. 13:9, Gal. 5:14, James 2:8 - and where we’re instructed that God desires mercy - Hosea 6:6, Matt. 9:13 and 12:7) and the character of God as revealed in such approved private revelations as the ones to St. Faustina regarding Divine Mercy. Don’t oversimplify what I’ve said.

If God indeed intends to send the 3 days, and the Church knows it and approves it, then it ought to be warning us to do what’s necessary to survive it.
 
djrakowski said:
I didn’t say that the 3 days would be unfair, but rather, that any command to avoid extending mercy to those crying for it outside would be a command that goes against the sacred scriptures (in which we’re commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves - Lev. 19:18, Matt. 19:19 and 22:39, Mark 12:31, Luke 10:27, Rom. 13:9, Gal. 5:14, James 2:8 - and where we’re instructed that God desires mercy - Hosea 6:6, Matt. 9:13 and 12:7) and the character of God as revealed in such approved private revelations as the ones to St. Faustina regarding Divine Mercy. Don’t oversimplify what I’ve said.

If God indeed intends to send the 3 days, and the Church knows it and approves it, then it ought to be warning us to do what’s necessary to survive it.
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God warned the people about the flood, through Noah. God warned Lot’s wife not to look back. Likewise, according to the prophecies, God will give a planet wide warning before the three days. If people choose to ignore that warning, that is their choice. MY main point to you is that if God sends the three days, it will be just because it will be God who sends it, not us. If the three days happens, it is just and merciful, or else it won’t happen.
 
djrakowski said:
I didn’t say that the 3 days would be unfair, but rather, that any command to avoid extending mercy to those crying for it outside would be a command that goes against the sacred scriptures (in which we’re commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves - Lev. 19:18, Matt. 19:19 and 22:39, Mark 12:31, Luke 10:27, Rom. 13:9, Gal. 5:14, James 2:8 - and where we’re instructed that God desires mercy - Hosea 6:6, Matt. 9:13 and 12:7) and the character of God as revealed in such approved private revelations as the ones to St. Faustina regarding Divine Mercy. Don’t oversimplify what I’ve said.

If God indeed intends to send the 3 days, and the Church knows it and approves it, then it ought to be warning us to do what’s necessary to survive it.
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I still don’t understand that if this was revelation given by God, that He would tell us not to open the door to anyone, and what about those who don’t hear about this revelation? Are they just the unfortunate ones that get to die, because they were unprepared with nothing to cover their windows completely? What if some of the windows don’t have complete coverage? What if they accidently look out the window or go outside in response to all the cries, because they don’t know about this? I mean, it’s not like it’s in the bible and is known by everyone. What if the revelation isn’t actually revelation, but a scare tactic from Satan? How do we know this IS coming from God? Even some of the Saints that had apparitions of our Lord, tested it to be sure it was really from Him. We DO NOT know this, and anything that causes us fear and anxiety is not a good thing! It sounds like something from a horror film!
 
Tom317 said:
God warned the people about the flood, through Noah. God warned Lot’s wife not to look back. Likewise, according to the prophecies, God will give a planet wide warning before the three days. If people choose to ignore that warning, that is their choice. MY main point to you is that if God sends the three days, it will be just because it will be God who sends it, not us. If the three days happens, it is just and merciful, or else it won’t happen.
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Don’t argue against what I didn’t say.

I never claimed that, if the 3 days prophecy is true, that it wouldn’t be fair. By definition, anything sent by God is fair. I was questioning parts of the prophecy in which Christians are supposedly being warned against extending mercy to the suffering, in direct contradiction to the character and commandments of God revealed in the deposit of faith. That’s it. Nothing else.

Do you take issue with the fact that a command to hold back mercy is in contradiction with the deposit of faith, most importantly, sacred scripture? If you’re going to make an argument against what I’ve said, then that’s it in a nutshell.

Are there any conditionals given to the commandment that we’re to treat our neighbors as ourselves (that is, if we’re going to fight to preserve our own lives, that we shouldn’t also fight to preserve the lives of our neighbors)? Anything that would lead us to believe that we’re not to care for the sick, suffering and dying as scripture repeatedly commands us to do?
 
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