Three Days of Darkness?

[Tom317]

I still don’t understand that if this was revelation given by God, that He would tell us not to open the door to anyone, and what about those who don’t hear about this revelation? Are they just the unfortunate ones that get to die, because they were unprepared with nothing to cover their windows completely? What if some of the windows don’t have complete coverage? What if they accidently look out the window or go outside in response to all the cries, because they don’t know about this? I mean, it’s not like it’s in the bible and is known by everyone. What if the revelation isn’t actually revelation, but a scare tactic from Satan? How do we know this IS coming from God? Even some of the Saints that had apparitions of our Lord, tested it to be sure it was really from Him. We DO NOT know this, and anything that causes us fear and anxiety is not a good thing! It sounds like something from a horror film!

I ahve said this many times, according to the prophecies God will send a planet wide warning before the event, everyone will either know about it or see or both.

 

[djrakowski]

I still don’t understand that if this was revelation given by God, that He would tell us not to open the door to anyone, and what about those who don’t hear about this revelation?

Precisely - it isn’t consistent with the way we’ve been commanded to behave by Our Lord.

 

[Tom317]

Don’t argue against what I didn’t say.

I never claimed that, if the 3 days prophecy is true, that it wouldn’t be fair. By definition, anything sent by God is fair. I was questioning parts of the prophecy in which Christians are supposedly being warned against extending mercy to the suffering, in direct contradiction to the character and commandments of God revealed in the deposit of faith. That’s it. Nothing else.

Do you take issue with the fact that a command to hold back mercy is in contradiction with the deposit of faith, most importantly, sacred scripture? If you’re going to make an argument against what I’ve said, then that’s it in a nutshell.

Are there any conditionals given to the commandment that we’re to treat our neighbors as ourselves (that is, if we’re going to fight to preserve our own lives, that we shouldn’t also fight to preserve the lives of our neighbors)? Anything that would lead us to believe that we’re not to care for the sick, suffering and dying as scripture repeatedly commands us to do?

I have answers this at least twice. First, real mercy comes from God, not man. God will send us a warning as a sign of His mercy. Second, out mercy regarding this event comes in the form of telling everyone we know of the event, and of making sure everyone knows once God has sent His warning. It is no different then the great flood, once the chastisement has begun, it is too late for those who rejected God’s warnings.

 

[djrakowski]

I have answers this at least twice. First, real mercy comes from God, not man. God will send us a warning as a sign of His mercy. Second, out mercy regarding this event comes in the form of telling everyone we know of the event, and of making sure everyone knows once God has sent His warning. It is no different then the great flood, once the chastisement has begun, it is too late for those who rejected God’s warnings.

What you’ve described is spiritual acts of mercy. There’s also corporal acts of mercy. They’re both commanded. If this is true, then our responsibility goes beyond simply telling people. It involves actually helping them through the event. I see nothing in scripture that would lead me to believe that these commandments would be abrogated in any such event.

Basically, what you’re saying is that those whom you’ve told and have failed to properly heed the warnings of this unapproved private revelation deserve to die, and that if you’re alive when it happens, that you won’t open the door or your house and extend the corporal acts of mercy God commands of all His followers. Am I reading this right?

 

[Tom317]

What you’ve described is spiritual acts of mercy. There’s also corporal acts of mercy. They’re both commanded. If this is true, then our responsibility goes beyond simply telling people. It involves actually helping them through the event. I see nothing in scripture that would lead me to believe that these commandments would be abrogated in any such event.

Basically, what you’re saying is that those whom you’ve told and have failed to properly heed the warnings of this unapproved private revelation deserve to die, and that if you’re alive when it happens, that you won’t open the door or your house and extend the corporal acts of mercy God commands of all His followers. Am I reading this right?

What I am saying is that “if” the three days comes upon the world, it is a severe chastisement from God and whether we like it or not, it will go as God desires, not as we desire. Again, “if” the three days were to happen, then I would not open the door because God’s saints have warned us of what will happen if we do. I do not question why Lot did not stop his wife from looking back, I just know that Lot’s wife lost her life because she refused to obey God’s warning. I do not presume to know who should die and who should not die, I only know that many saints have predicted this event and if the warning is given, then that is enough for me to trust that the entire event will happen as predicted. Chances are very good that anyone outside after such an enormous warning will not be followers of God.

 

[luvmykids]

I ahve said this many times, according to the prophecies God will send a planet wide warning before the event, everyone will either know about it or see or both.

Even still, if you have never heard of this prophecy, you are not going to look for the warning, or even understand what it is for, unless God comes down and tells you Himself as part of the warning. If He does this, then there is no point in worrying about this NOW, is there? We can just wait to get the warning straight from God Himself!

 

[Tom317]

Even still, if you have never heard of this prophecy, you are not going to look for the warning, or even understand what it is for, unless God comes down and tells you Himself as part of the warning. If He does this, then there is no point in worrying about this NOW, is there? We can just wait to get the warning straight from God Himself!

I agree, there is no reason to worry about this now, or ever really, because God will send a warning that the entire world will understand.

 

[AlexV]

We don’t know this alleged apocalyptic event is being revealed by God.

And that’s the point.

Why bother with fear mongering garbage, when we have the TOTALITY of the faith already?

EVEN if God “warned” people before a cataclysm, if human beings begged for help after the cataclysm came, no matter the disposition of their hearts Christian charity DEMANDS that we help them.

The great law of love in the discourses in John’s gospel trump all this trash about precisely what to do for those 72 scary hours.

 

[djrakowski]

We don’t know this alleged apocalyptic event is being revealed by God.

And that’s the point.

Why bother with fear mongering garbage, when we have the TOTALITY of the faith already?

EVEN if God “warned” people before a cataclysm, if human beings begged for help after the cataclysm came, no matter the disposition of their hearts Christian charity DEMANDS that we help them.

The great law of love in the discourses in John’s gospel trump all this trash about precisely what to do for those 72 scary hours.

Right on the money. Anything that tells us to do something in contradiction to what has already been revealed definitively in sacred scripture isn’t to be trusted. Over and over and over again, Jesus and his disciples repeated the command that we’re to extend mercy to the suffering, love them as ourselves and bind their wounds. I can’t imagine Our Lord suddenly doing a complete 180 and telling us otherwise.

 

[djrakowski]

Chances are very good that anyone outside after such an enormous warning will not be followers of God.

Our Lord didn’t exempt us from caring for our non-Christian neighbors just because we may face danger in so doing.

 

[Tom317]

Right on the money. Anything that tells us to do something in contradiction to what has already been revealed definitively in sacred scripture isn’t to be trusted. Over and over and over again, Jesus and his disciples repeated the command that we’re to extend mercy to the suffering, love them as ourselves and bind their wounds. I can’t imagine Our Lord suddenly doing a complete 180 and telling us otherwise.

Let us not fall into the Christian trap of thinking God changes, He does not. The God of the OT is the same God in the NT.

 

[djrakowski]

Let us not fall into the Christian trap of thinking God changes, He does not. The God of the OT is the same God in the NT.

I never said God changes. This alleged prophecy that contradicts scripture and has not been approved by any Church authority is what alleges that God changes. Again and again, Alex and I have demonstrated how the contents of this revelation contradict the commandments Our Lord has already given us. God doesn’t change His laws willy-nilly.

 

[AlexV]

Much of the background of this garbage “prophecy” is the notion of the “Chosen Few” who constitute the worthy, the “followers of God” as Tom calls them.

The essence of Christian charity is that it is extended to ALL. No exceptions. No prevarication.

That can never change. It is the greatest commandment of all, this business about charity and the showing of mercy.

 

[Tom317]

Our Lord didn’t exempt us from caring for our non-Christian neighbors just because we may face danger in so doing.

Not quite true. No warning of any significance was given to Egypt when the first borns were killed and it was the same God that brought down that chastisement to those unsuspecting souls.

Couple that with the fact that the prophecies claim that satan and his demons will be loose on the earth and that there intent will be to trick people into dying by not obeying the warning. Rememeber, the only reason satan exists is because God allows him to exist, along with his demons and God extracts good from that for His purposes, not ours.

 

[Tom317]

I never said God changes. This alleged prophecy that contradicts scripture and has not been approved by any Church authority is what alleges that God changes. Again and again, Alex and I have demonstrated how the contents of this revelation contradict the commandments Our Lord has already given us. God doesn’t change His laws willy-nilly.

No, you think it contradicts Scripture, I disagree and have tried to show you why.

 

[AlexV]

Tom has also stated a very grievously wrong thing about Catholic teaching.

It’s never “too late” to repent and cleanse one’s soul, before death.

Only death = “too late”.

Not a chastisement, not a divine ray gun, not darkness, not suns falling out of the sky.

Only death.

Until the instant of death, any human soul can turn to God.

ANY “prophecy” that tells people not to help those in agony is from the Evil One more than from God.

 

[djrakowski]

Not quite true. No warning of any significance was given to Egypt when the first borns were killed and it was the same God that brought down that chastisement to those unsuspecting souls.

You’re confusing the direct actions of God with the commandments He gave to Christians through Our Lord in sacred scripture. I don’t see anything in sacred scripture that indicates God told the Jews to abandon anyone to their fates. He simply did it.

Couple that with the fact that the prophecies claim that satan and his demons will be loose on the earth and that there intent will be to trick people into dying by not obeying the warning. Rememeber, the only reason satan exists is because God allows him to exist, along with his demons and God extracts good from that for His purposes, not ours.

How do you determine which are Satan and his minions, and which are real people genuinely seeking real mercy? This supposition of yours doesn’t change the law of love as commanded directly by Our Lord.

 

[Tom317]

Folks, chastisements have happened and there are more to come. Sometimes God sends them, other times God allows people to do it to themselves, but Scripture is filled with (and so is history) of God acting through mercy to correct His creatures.

 

[AlexV]

Tom’s biblical exempla are also all from the Old Testament, which cannot be understood properly except in light of their fulfillment in the New.

 

[djrakowski]

No, you think it contradicts Scripture, I disagree and have tried to show you why.

You have used absolutely zero scripture in support of your view that God would suddenly command His followers to abandon mercy and the law of love.