Three Days of Darkness?

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Tom317 said:
Folks, chastisements have happened and there are more to come. Sometimes God sends them, other times God allows people to do it to themselves, but Scripture is filled with (and so is history) of God acting through mercy to correct His creatures.
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But He has never commanded us to turn our backs on the suffering. What you’re asserting simply isn’t in sacred scripture.
 
Humanity brings its problems on itself.

This notion of God sitting around deciding when to send some divine chastisement (with Mary holding back his hand!) is VERY unCatholic and detrimental to the Christian life.
 
It’s funny, because I was just reading this link given in another thread about ghosts or apparitions and it says this,"VI. How can we tell the difference between a a Godly Apparition and one not of God?
  1. a Godly apparition will NEVER contradict ANY Public Revelation. (so we need to be well versed in Public Revelation)
  2. a Godly apparition will NEVER lead you to disobey your elders, superiors, or the Church. (so we need to be aware of Church teaching and the like)
  3. Although meeting a Spirit is scary, a Godly apparition will lead you to peace.
  4. A Godly spirit will ALWAYS and without hesitation affirm the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Thus we need to test the spirit with the formula of 1 John 4:1-3 "
I’m not sure how this leads us to peace.
 
djrakowski said:
You’re confusing the direct actions of God with the commandments He gave to Christians through Our Lord in sacred scripture. I don’t see anything in sacred scripture that indicates God told the Jews to abandon anyone to their fates. He simply did it.
How do you determine which are Satan and his minions, and which are real people genuinely seeking real mercy? This supposition of yours doesn’t change the law of love as commanded directly by Our Lord.
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Now you are getting it–God just DID IT!

According to the prophecies, demons will attempt to sound and act just like our loved ones in order to trick us into our own deaths.

Here’s the facts:
  1. Many saints have predicted the three days, some of which were people who were part of approved private revelations.
  2. The three days is NOT taught by the Church as a belief that we must hold in any way.
Let us realize that when an identical prophecy has been made by widely separated people across a wide range of time, and when they have been made by people who are considered reliable and holy, we would be (imo) mistaken not to at least consider those prophecies. That is the case with the three days, many saints and mystics across a wide swatch of time have preidcted the exact same thing.
 
Tom317 said:
Now you are getting it–God just DID IT!
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And you’re still not getting it! God didn’t command the Jews to hold back their mercy, as you’re asserting he’s done in the unapproved revelations of the 3 days cataclysm. He simply executed justice on His own. This example simply does not prove that this prophecy could in any way be true.
 
Again, who cares if we die?

Imagine if a demon could possibly disguise themselves as a loved one and “trick you” to try to kill you (not counting the fact that demons don’t kill people).

You’d be a martyr, dying for the spiritual works of mercy. Dying for the command of love.

One BIG problem with this garbage is it is based on the premise that at all costs we must stay alive during the 3-day horror show.

Who cares if we die, so long as we are in the state of grace?
 
Tom317 said:
I do not agree, but that is no surprise right? 🙂
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Of course not :rotfl:

But, you have to do more than disagree. Use sacred scripture to prove that God has commanded us to turn our backs on the suffering.
 
Tom317 said:
It makes no difference to me what anyone else believes about private revelations. It just does not impact my faith in any way.
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It matters to the little debate you and Alex are having. Don’t you want to be clear on what he believes?

I don’t think anyone here has said that you are trying to hold us to a belief in the TDoD.
 
Show just one New Testament passage where Christ taught that we should turn our backs on those who beg for our help. Just one will do. For heaven’s sake, he gave the greatest example of all when he FORGAVE the people who were crucifying him.

The New Testament fulfilled the Old. You can’t stay with the Old alone and read it other than in light of the New.
 
djrakowski said:
You have used absolutely zero scripture in support of your view that God would suddenly command His followers to abandon mercy and the law of love.
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I have not shown Scripture because I have already explained how mercy will play out…you just don’t accept it. Fine, no problem.

Look, I have family members who are separated from the faith and God, I have tried to reach them on several occasions only to be rejected and laughed away. In fact, the intensity of their hatred towards me because of my attempts has only grown. My task is done, all I have left is prayer for them, it is their choice. I pray all the time that God will find a way to their conversion, but my continu ing presence in their spiritual life will just drive them further away. Sometimes mercy comes in the form of prayer and that is exactly what would happen after the warning.
 
Exactly, Tom. YOU have explained how YOU think mercy will act out.

Just you. Not the Church, or Christ.

If a person in agony begs a Christian for help, no matter what, the Christian is called to help.

No matter if it’s pitch black, or broad daylight.

Anything contrary to that is of the Evil One.
 
Tom317 said:
I have not shown Scripture because I have already explained how mercy will play out…you just don’t accept it. Fine, no problem.

Look, I have family members who are separated from the faith and God, I have tried to reach them on several occasions only to be rejected and laughed away. In fact, the intensity of their hatred towards me because of my attempts has only grown. My task is done, all I have left is prayer for them, it is their choice. I pray all the time that God will find a way to their conversion, but my continu ing presence in their spiritual life will just drive them further away. Sometimes mercy comes in the form of prayer and that is exactly what would happen after the warning.
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Again, works of mercy aren’t just spiritual in nature. We weren’t commanded to just instruct the ignorant and admonish the sinner. We were also commanded to care for the sick, visit prisoners, feed the hungry, clothe the naked and shelter the homeless.

Again, just one scripture… your assertion of how mercy would play out in this doubtful scenario mustn’t contradict anything in public revelation, and it does. So, where’s the scripture - not just O.T. - that gives us permission to turn our backs on the sufffering?
 
It is a huge errot to think God has changed from OT to NT times…it is simply false.

Here is one simple Scriptural point to consider:

Jesus told us that Tribulation will come upon the world, He told us to head to the mountains, do not return to our homes, etc…Jesus never said stop along the road and grab every person you can to force them into the mountains…He simply said we are to flee.
 
djrakowski said:
Again, works of mercy aren’t just spiritual in nature. We weren’t commanded to just instruct the ignorant and admonish the sinner. We were also commanded to care for the sick, visit prisoners, feed the hungry, clothe the naked and shelter the homeless.

Again, just one scripture… your assertion of how mercy would play out in this doubtful scenario mustn’t contradict anything in public revelation, and it does. So, where’s the scripture - not just O.T. - that gives us permission to turn our backs on the sufffering?
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Read the tribulation verses in which Christ tells us to flee to the mountains. He does not tell us to bring everyone with, He says flee. Those who here His words will obey, those who not will perish.
 
I think you need to read the Good Samaritan parable very slowly and very carefully.

And make up your mind. Now it’s head to the mountains. Until just now it was lock up in your home. Which is it? The mountains better have houses, otherwise those demons in the dark will have a field day. Sheesh, the inconsistencies.

As for the Old Testament…again, it cannot be properly interpreted EXCEPT in light of the New.

Does the Church sanction the public execution of adulterers?

Why not, under your twisted logic?

For the sake of those reading this thread for genuine understanding, after the last few pages, I must say Tom’s posted views are increasingly disturbing. I’m tempted to say no wonder those in his orbit would be queasy about the “Church”, given this (mis)information.

In this twisted world, it’s all about the chosen few who will ignore all the rest and thereby survive the great chastisement. They get to relive the Noah story. Frankly, most people who think like this LOVE the idea of upheaval and drama. They secretly long for these chastisements. It validates their sick view of God and the world.

Christ taught love. Even if it’s pitch black, and horned demons are prowking.
 
Tom317 said:
It is a huge errot to think God has changed from OT to NT times…it is simply false.

Here is one simple Scriptural point to consider:

Jesus told us that Tribulation will come upon the world, He told us to head to the mountains, do not return to our homes, etc…Jesus never said stop along the road and grab every person you can to force them into the mountains…He simply said we are to flee.
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Sure - he said “head to the mountains and don’t look back.” Did he say, “and while you’re on your way, if you see one that needs your help, let 'em die. That’s the new law of love.”
 
AlexV said:
Exactly, Tom. YOU have explained how YOU think mercy will act out.

Just you. Not the Church, or Christ.

If a person in agony begs a Christian for help, no matter what, the Christian is called to help.

No matter if it’s pitch black, or broad daylight.

Anything contrary to that is of the Evil One.
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Okay, so you think I am from the evil one. Thanks, nice comment.
 
Tom317 said:
I have not shown Scripture because I have already explained how mercy will play out…you just don’t accept it. Fine, no problem.

Look, I have family members who are separated from the faith and God, I have tried to reach them on several occasions only to be rejected and laughed away. In fact, the intensity of their hatred towards me because of my attempts has only grown. My task is done, all I have left is prayer for them, it is their choice. I pray all the time that God will find a way to their conversion, but my continu ing presence in their spiritual life will just drive them further away. Sometimes mercy comes in the form of prayer and that is exactly what would happen after the warning.
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This is still different from the little scenario of the 3 days…Say those relatives were the ones crying outside your door during these three days…Would you be thinking,“sorry I told you so” and not go to help them…Is that what it would all come to in the end, every man for himself?
 
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