Three Days of Darkness?

[Tom317]

This is still different from the little scenario of the 3 days…Say those reletives were the ones crying outside your door during these three days…Would you be thinking,“sorry I told you so” and not go to help them…Is that what it would all come to in the end, every man for himself?

Did Noah think it was every man for himself? Of course he did not. Those people were warned and the people prior to the three days will be warned. I cannot force anyone to listen to God, they must choose for themselves. Yet, once the chastisement comes upon the earth, there is nothing anyone can do (just like the flood, once the waters came, it was too late). Would that break my heart? Yes, beyond any doubt. Would I be on my knees praying? Yes, you bet I would. However, once the chastisement starts, there is nothig any human can do.

 

[djrakowski]

Some scripture:

Luke 21:20-22 (NIV) - “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.”

I see nothing here about abandoning people to their fate. It simply says, get out. It doesn’t say, and leave everyone behind.

 

[Tom317]

Read him carefully. He alleges that this particular set of prophecies is from the Evil One - not you.

He has slammed me often enough for me to know that he is making a very direct implication. I am really not that blind.

 

[AlexV]

Once again, you’ve got it wrong. It’s NEVER too late, until death.

That’s Catholic teaching.

 

[Tom317]

Some scripture:

Luke 21:20-22 (NIV) - “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.”

I see nothing here about abandoning people to their fate. It simply says, get out. It doesn’t say, and leave everyone behind.

You cannot place things in Scripture that are not there. It does not say stop for everyone you know, it says flee to the mountains. Jesus does not tell us “make sure you are perfectly merciful when this comes upon you by taking every soul out of the city,” instead He simply tells us to flee.

 

[Tom317]

Once again, you’ve got it wrong. It’s NEVER too late, until death.

That’s Catholic teaching.

Now you are mixing-up two different topics, salvation and chastisement. A person who has saving grace can be caught in a chastisement and die and then go to Heaven.

Are you ever going to be a human being and cease this constant insulting me?

 

[djrakowski]

You cannot place things in Scripture that are not there. It does not say stop for everyone you know, it says flee to the mountains. Jesus does not tell us “make sure you are perfectly merciful when this comes upon you by taking every soul out of the city,” instead He simply tells us to flee.

I should say the same of you - it does not say that we are to abandon anyone to their fates. That’s something you’ve inserted into the text that isn’t there. He didn’t need to repeat His commands to be merciful - those commands were already given, and they were not revoked. His close followers would’ve known what He’d already commanded.

 

[djrakowski]

Now you are mixing-up two different topics, salvation and chastisement. A person who has saving grace can be caught in a chastisement and die and then go to Heaven.

Are you ever going to be a human being and cease this constant insulting me?

Earlier in this thread you said that those outside who hadn’t heeded the warning would most likely be non-believers. How would we be merciful in letting them die before getting the chance to repent? If they were out there, seeing this supposed destruction, they would know the prophecy was true. It would be imperative upon us to make sure they survived it to ensure that they would have the chance to accept the lordship of Christ and thus get to heaven. That chance is gone once the person has died.

 

[Tom317]

I should say the same of you - it does not say that we are to abandon anyone to their fates. That’s something you’ve inserted into the text that isn’t there. He didn’t need to repeat His commands to be merciful - those commands were already given, and they were not revoked. His close followers would’ve known what He’d already commanded.

So, we are to yank the entire city to the mountains? Okay, I disagree.

 

[djrakowski]

So, we are to yank the entire city to the mountains? Okay, I disagree.

You’d better believe it. Jesus didn’t command us to put limits on our mercy, either in sacred scripture or in his approved private revelations to St. Faustina.

 

[AlexV]

I am attacking Tom’s views. Quite a difference between that an ad hominem attacks.

And your views are not in line with Catholic teaching on mercy, the great command of love, etc.

And for the sake of those who read these pages in a genuine search for knowledge about what the Church teaches, I will indeed counteract your world vision of terror.

 

[Tom317]

Earlier in this thread you said that those outside who hadn’t heeded the warning would most likely be non-believers. How would we be merciful in letting them die before getting the chance to repent? If they were out there, seeing this supposed destruction, they would know the prophecy was true. It would be imperative upon us to make sure they survived it to ensure that they would have the chance to accept the lordship of Christ and thus get to heaven. That chance is gone once the person has died.

How was it merciful for God to drown everyone outside the ark? There had to be some children, which means at least the children were innocent, right?

Please, get this point, it is critical. A major part of this prophecy states that God will send a worldwide warning, one that everyone can see and know. Now think about that. How can God warn everyone in the world at the exact same time? We do not know, but God is God and is capable of anything. So, no one will have a valid excuse, everyone will be warned and who is to say that those people outside do not convert at the very last second as the theif on the cross did.

God is in control of souls.

 

[Tom317]

I am attacking Tom’s views. Quite a difference between that an ad hominem attacks.

And your views are not in line with Catholic teaching on mercy, the great command of love, etc.

And for the sake of those who read these pages in a genuine search for knowledge about what the Church teaches, I will indeed counteract your world vision of terror.

From what I can see, you have precious little formation and zero class as a person.

 

[luvmykids]

You cannot place things in Scripture that are not there. It does not say stop for everyone you know, it says flee to the mountains. Jesus does not tell us “make sure you are perfectly merciful when this comes upon you by taking every soul out of the city,” instead He simply tells us to flee.

No it does not say that, but according to the prophecy of 3 days it DOES say not to open the door to anyone.

 

[Tom317]

You’d better believe it. Jesus didn’t command us to put limits on our mercy, either in sacred scripture or in his approved private revelations to St. Faustina.

Okay, I do not agree, but I get your view.

 

[djrakowski]

More sacred scripture:

John 15:13 (DRB) - “Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”

The essence of love is the willingness of a person to lay down his life for the sake of others.

 

[Tom317]

No it does not say that, but according to the prophecy of 3 days it DOES say not to open the door to anyone.

Exactly, because anyone who has ignored the warning is going to perish, just as those who ignored the warning before the flood.

I find it amazing that no-one has a problem with God wiping out families and children in the flood, but somehow it is wrong for Him to do a similar act in the three days.

 

[Tom317]

More sacred scripture:

John 15:13 (DRB) - “Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”

The essence of love is the willingness of a person to lay down his life for the sake of others.

Of course, one of the core truths of the faith.

 

[djrakowski]

How was it merciful for God to drown everyone outside the ark? There had to be some children, which means at least the children were innocent, right?

I have repeated this so often that I’m beginning to sound like a broken record, but… GOD did this. Noah did nothing besides what he was commanded. He didn’t shove people into the water, or step on their necks as he boarded the ark. There was precious little he could do.

Please, get this point, it is critical. A major part of this prophecy states that God will send a worldwide warning, one that everyone can see and know. Now think about that. How can God warn everyone in the world at the exact same time? We do not know, but God is God and is capable of anything. So, no one will have a valid excuse, everyone will be warned and who is to say that those people outside do not convert at the very last second as the theif on the cross did.

God is in control of souls.

Yes, God is in control of souls, and we’re under the law of love that, over and over again, stated that we are to be willing to offer the greatest sacrifice - our lives - for the sake of our friends.

 

[djrakowski]

Of course, one of the core truths of the faith.

One that this revelation denies by stating that believers are to preserve their lives instead of risk them for the sake of their neighbors.