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What scripture do you use to support that one should be devoid of compassion because of legal status?
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Kendy
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Of course, there might be terrorist trying to enter through Mexico. This is one more reason to enact immigration reform to provide means for workers who are in demand in the US to immigrate legally through reform. This would free up security resources to lead with border security— terrorists and drug traffickers, etc.
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AdvanceAlways
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I am not saying I lack compassion. Human life is always precious yes, but when someone dies in my country who shouldnt have been there at all, you have to use reason.
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Then if not shedding tears, perhaps you can at least join and offer a prayer to God for the souls of those killed.
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I will always pray for those who have been killed. Just because I personally feel no sympathy, doesnt mean my prayers dont go out to them.
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I am pretty sure I understand illegal. I am also pretty sure that I understand failed public policy which promotes illegal entry at the expense of the gullible American people. But what concerns me is whether or not some self-proclaimed Christians understand the word compassion. In God’s classroom, it is much more important to understand the meaning of the word “compassion” than “illegal.” No one has ever gone to hell for being too gullible (assuming that pro-immigrant groups are and I am not conceding that).
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MariaG
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So specifically as related to the case posted, you think they should have been left in the desert to die?
Hospital care or death. That is the choice in this case.
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Being an immigrant does not make you immune from being heartless. As to what I will say? Well. most of your accsuastions are exaggerated. Many Mexicans speak English, and those who don’t have children who are well-assimilated into the United States. So, your claim of turning this country into Mexico is false. Assuming it is true, it is the way of nations to change and evolve through migration. Thinking how the natives felt when we turned their country into the US, or better yet, think about how the Mixicans felt when we took over the Southwest. Change in national personality inevitable.
Illegal Mexicans who murder Americans should be prosecuted and imprisoned. We already know how to do. Now, if you are suggesting that We should not allow Mexican immigrants because a handful are murders, that’s just irrational. A handful of every nationality are murders. The same accusations were made of Italian immigrants.
As for jobs, we have the lowest umemploymenr rate in the world so you are bring up a non-issue. But assuming someone said that, I would tell them just be grateful for the cheap produce they have enjoyed for years due to Mexican labor.
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Reason?Since they are there illegally, they should die in the desert?
This is the “reasoning” I am “hearing”. Maybe you could clarify since I know the limitations of this media and I must misunderstand what you are saying.
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No one is saying (I believe) that anyone should die in the desert. Where are you reading that? What has been said over and over…is that when these people come into this country and are injured…like the people in this article…it is the taxpayer who is going to stand the cost of their care…unless of course, the illegals come with their own Blue Cross/Blue Shield…yeah, right! It will be YOU or me Maria who will in the end pay for their care. Why? Through our insurance, which pays for the uninsured by paying more to the hospitals for OUR care through $3.00 Qtips that would cost 25 cents normally…or the hospital will do like some have and just close their doors because of care for indigent illegals…that they do not receive reimbursent for. We have indigent citizens who are jockeying for care. The health care system in this country is a shambles for the poor and adding poor illegals to the mix is only making matters much worse.
Since they are there illegally, they should die in the desert?
This is the “reasoning” I am “hearing”. Maybe you could clarify since I know the limitations of this media and I must misunderstand what you are saying.
This would be solved if the illegals came into this country LEGALLY. Why in heaven’s name would you or anyone else feel that is not the best way to go?
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Do you live near the border kendy? Do you know anyone who does? I know people who do live there and they would dispute you. Many areas near the border are in effect now just a “suburb” of Mexico. Spanish is the predominant language in many areas there and in others you must speak the language to get a decent job.
When people come into this country illegally, we do not know their background. They COULD be murderers or criminals and we would not know until such time as they committed a crime here and then it would be too late. There is nothing in the world wrong with a country wanting to know WHO is coming into the country (for the protection of the citizens) and WHY they are coming into the country…and **WHERE **they are going when they get here. Why would you or anyone else be adverse to this? We don’t want to add criminals to our population…we have enough “home-grown” criminals. We do not want people with diseases coming into the country…we have enough ill people of our own who are having trouble getting the care they need. It is not irrational to want to know who is coming here…in fact… it is irrational to feel there is no problem with everyone coming in regardless of their background.
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Do you advocate law breaking when you don’t like the "failed public policy’? What would be the matter with changing it?
Even the Bible states about obeying the authority of the government…Romans 13:1-7.
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Hi Blyss,
I am not reading it from you, since you said clearly that they should recieve medical care.
I am reading it here
and here after
The only choice for those illigals would have been death if they did not recieve hospital care. Advance always first expressed disbelief that one should give illegals hospital benefits, and then said we have to use “reason” when someone dies in “my country” who shouldn’t be there.
As I said, I do understand the limitations of this media as well as getting on a rant and speaking farther than one intends, but it certainly appears to me, from the posts that Advance DOES believe illegals should be left to die in the desert. Which is why I asked for clarification since I cannot see how anyone could advocate that, but that is what I am reading in his posts.
No one here has said that coming into this country legally is not the best way, me included.This would be solved if the illegals came into this country LEGALLY. Why in heaven’s name would you or anyone else feel that is not the best way to go?
There are two separate issues. How to reform legal immigration, either through loosening or tightening, and how to deal with them once they are here illegally and need basic medical care or lifesaving medical care (another two separate issues). I was speaking to the issue of lifesaving medical care.
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Exactly!! I think this is what people want…an immigration policy that will let us know who is entering this country…why they want to come here and make some order of a chaotic situation. BUT…do you really think that even with a reformed immigration policy that all illegals will abide by it? I don’t believe that for a minute. There will always be those who do not want to follow the laws of our land even with a more liberal policy. Why? Because for decades now they have been able to enter this country at will and go where they want and nothing has happened to them. THAT needs to change too. I am for a new immigration policy and one that is fair to everyone concerned. One that is also strong against any illegal immigration…and one with teeth in it.
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Please don’t misunderstand Maria, I am firm in my position that although illegals receive life saving care…I am not happy about it at all. I might not have such a problem with it if there was decent health care available to all Americans. Many citizens now have to resort to the ER for their only health care…often when they are seriously ill because they have not have had preventative care. So, we have the citizen AND the illegals all jockeying for the SAME health care buck and it is getting stretched pretty darn thin.
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Kendy…why do you feel that to debate someone who disagrees with you that you must resort to personal attacks? You have previously done that to me and I find you do it to everyone you disagree with. Debate their views…but don’t make it personal.
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I don’t know, but I do know things need to change.
An unfortunate side effect to this is the children. The children are brought here, (and sometimes the wives too, different culture and mindset), without being consulted.
We have children who are being raised almost their entire lives in the US. When parents realize the impact on their educational chances, sometimes they will go back to Mexico on occassion, and the kids are treated very badly.
So you have good, bright kids here in the US who lose hope because they are Mexican, but very American also. They can not afford to go to college in the US as an illegal. They don’t “fit” in Mexico. They are illegal in the US. There is no American dream for these kids, and they see it clearly, even if their parents do not.
I pray about this alot. I pray that the innocent children, raised almost their whole life in the US, will be made legal before Bush leaves office. I do. I wish others would pray for this also.
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Do you have FACTS to support this claim? I don’t believe you do, because when it comes right down to it…we do not know how many Muslim terrorists come through the border till AFTER the fact.
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I would not advocate for anyone to immigrate illegal. But I understand that it is inevitable given our current policy. There are people who are impoverished who have a lot of incentive to travel illegal. When people have a choice between feeding their children and committing a misdemeanor, they will break the law. That’s the reality.
The other reality is that there’s a demand in the United States for the labor. Despite the presence of 12 million illegal immigrants in this country “taking American jobs” American still has an unemployment BELOW the natural rate of unemployment 5%— the lowest in the world.
Thus, we have a situation where there’s a demand for labor. There are poor people who desperately need the work. But we have a policy which is not equipped to deal with that. The inevitable consequence is illegal immigration.
Now, why is the policy not fixed to deal with this. Beacuse our elected officials are too cowardly to tell the American people that they they have no practical choice but to enact amnesty and increase the number of legal permits. This will upset the American people and they may lose their jobs. On the other hand, if they don’t allow the immigrant workers, they will lose the financial support of businesses as well as the political support of the left (not to mention the condemantion of catholic leaders), and thus lose their jobs. So, what we get is a lot of tough talk on immigration, but no action.
Eventually, they will quietly pass some amnesty measure as they have done in the past to deal with the problem; this is what they have done in the past, and it’s the only thing they can do.
As for me personally, I believe as a Christian, when I encounter a human being who is seeking work to take care of his family, I have a responsibility to treat them with love. There is no law greater than this, “Love your neighbor as you love yourself.”
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Maria…my heart goes out to these children. In a small town close to where I live a young Hispanic girl (16) was brought to this country illegally when she was 3 by her mother. The mother became abusive to the girl and to make a long story short…gave up her parental rights. The girl was 9 at the time and she went to live with a family in the neighborhood who took over guardianship of her and who later wanted to adopt her. You would think that would be ok since she had grown up in this country, but NO…when the family went to start legal adoption proceedings they were told the girl would have to go back to Mexico for a certain length of time and then return. She knew no one in Mexico and so the would be adoptive parents went with her and they stayed in a hotel to fulfill the requirements and then they tried to return with her and they faced more complications. I don’t know how the story played out, I think it was going to be finalized sometime last fall but I haven’t heard. This is one situation where immigration is gone awry. This girl was more American than anything else, she had grown up here…knew no one in Mexico and yet she had to go through hoops to remain here. Ridiculous!
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