Time to give the women a pay raise

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LilyM said:
Pepsi consistently wins in blind taste teats but Coke has genius marketing and branding so makes.more.revenue.
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Does it really? I can’t stand Pepsi. Not really a fan of Coke either, but still…

Dr. Pepper wins for basic colas, and Barques takes top tier as the best Root Beer 😛
 
Irishmom2 said:
They are all making too much to begin with. It’s a game!!
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It is entertainment, and their entertainment industry is making money from their performance.
It is just that they get a reasonable portion of the proceeds.
(The question is how much ought to go to those who put on the show vs those who risk capital on the venture that it will make money and not lose money…)
 
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LilyM:
I’m not suggesting an immediate huge pay rise.for women. But a rethinking of investment into promotion of women’s sports
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That’s fine if the market agrees. So far, the market doesn’t agree.
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They didn’t agree about women’s tennis either until Billie Jean King came along and shook up their preconceptions. Seems they haven’t really learned the lesson.
 
I believe the US Women’s Soccer Team sued for equal pay for equal work last year and it was thrown out.

The decision was that they are not doing equal work as the men are.

First off, the men play more games than the women, 36 - 24

Second, the men play against the top men’s teams in the world and mens soccer in those nations is given high importance.

Women’s soccer outside the US, is not treated with the importance as men’s soccer in those same nations

While women’s soccer is popular here in the US, it’s not in the world cup nations and the US team actually play against other women’s teams which do not get the support as the US Women’s Soccer Team gets.

So, it would be unfair to say that women’s soccer players should be paid equal to the men’s teams, because they’re doing equal work. Such is not the case.

Jim
 
In that case, I think all automobiles should have the same sticker price. It’s not fair that a Bentley fetches more money than a Honda.
 
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The difference with tennis is that men and women play in the same tournaments, at least the big tournaments. That’s why the pay is the same. It was unfair when men got a bigger cut of revenue than women when they were both playing in the same tournament. Thanks to Billie Jean King and others men and women make the same in the tournaments in which they both play. The other sports are different. Men and women aren’t playing in the same tournaments.
 
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JoeShlabotnik said:
Irishmom2, tt is their profession.
NFL football players, NBA basketball players, and MLB baseball players get paid a heckuva lot more.
Who should not the women not get a pay raise?
When you win, you should reap the reward for winning, right?
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They are all overpaid as well. They make too much money for what they do. They don’t save lives, or solve world problems, or teach our children. They serve no purpose but to entertain us, I am not saying banish sports, but it totally out of control.
 
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Irishmom2 said:
They are all overpaid as well.
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They are paid what the market bears. Professional sports employs millions of people from ticket counters to pizza delivery boys. What they are paid is fair to those who voluntarily support it.

You don’t have to like sports but there’s a heckuva lot of good that comes from it.
 
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When did I say I don’t like sports? I said professionals are overpaid for what they do.
 
You didn’t. And I didn’t say you don’t like sports.
 
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Irishmom2 said:
They make too much money for what they do.
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Ultimately it is us, the ones who watch the events (whether in person by buying tickets, concessions, parking, merchandise, etc. or virtually by watching via television, streaming, pay-per-view, etc.) who determine how much total money there is in the pool to pay the athletes, coaches, managers, support staff, owners, and so on. So if any of us believe that athletes in general or certain sets of athletes are over- or under-paid it is up to us to show that with our spending.

Edit to add: Vote with your wallet…
 
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JoeShlabotnik said:
It’s about the percentages. It’s about the money!
The women have outperformed the men time and again, yet they get paid way less than the men.
Those who perform, should get paid.
Those who do not, should not.
Very simple principle.
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Here’s the issue: Professional Sports is part of the entertainment industry and the entertainment industry pays their talent using a system that is SIMILAR to commissions for salespeople.

Let’s use the music industry as an example:
  • Band A sells 5,000,000 copies of their latest album at an average of $11 per album. ($55 million)
  • Band B sells 10,000,000 copies of their latest album, but only at average of $5 per album ($50 million)
  • both bands receive 20% “commission”
    Who make more? The band that sold more copies or the band who sold less, but sold for a higher rate? Of course, the one who sold less, but at a higher rate.
Sports is the same way. How much you win, how much you play, etc factors into your pay. However, the number one thing that it really comes down to is how much revenue you bring in.

Professional Sports is a sales industry. Ultimately, players are paid by the number of dollars they are estimated to bring in.

I would also argue that with women’s sports: most people watch to see the TEAM play. But with men’s sports, a lot of people watch to see select individuals play. Let’s use basketball as an example: how many people would watch the Lakers back in the day just to see Magic Johnson or Kobe Bryant play? A lot. Same with Bulls when Michael Jordan was on that team. They might have been fans of other teams, but they watched those other teams for the players.

USUALLY, when people watch women’s TEAM sports, they are watching the TEAM. They are not watching because of select individuals.

I hope this helps.
 
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Irishmom2:
They make too much money for what they do.
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Ultimately it is us, the ones who watch the events (whether in person by buying tickets, concessions, parking, merchandise, etc. or virtually by watching via television, streaming, pay-per-view, etc.) who determine how much total money there is in the pool to pay the athletes, coaches, managers, support staff, owners, and so on. So if any of us believe that athletes in general or certain sets of athletes are over- or under-paid it is up to us to show that with our spending.

Edit to add: Vote with your wallet…
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We watch what we’re told to watch. When women’s sports are (relatively) poorly publicised, advertised and promoted, fewer people are even going to know that, say, a women’s soccer game is on, let alone make the choice to watch that game.

There simply isn’t the buildup and hype over the four years between women’s soccer world cups, with every bit of qualifying, and even the draw, gaining massive amounts of media coverage, that there is with the men.

And it’s not like broadcasting and making news items about things like the draw is directly related to advertising or brings in bucks for sponsors. It’s a conscious choice on the part of news outlets to cover - or not cover - some of these things to the extent they do.

It’s a bit of a chicken and egg situation.
 
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JanetF said:
So if the women want to be paid more, they need to negotiate their contracts to reflect that desire.
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Yeap. And they actually did negotiate a better contract back in 2017.

But they are not going to make (per player) the same as the men when the international tournaments they play in do not have purses as high as the men’s tournaments.
 
They both need to make less, and teachers (men and women) need to make more.
 
As should law enforcement, firefighters and those in the military.
 
LilyM said:
We watch what we’re told to watch.
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I don’t. I watch what I want to watch and I would hope that you and everyone else is strong and self-aware enough to do the same. The notion that people are sheep completely at the mercy of advertisers is, pardon the expression, pure bunk. The media go where the interest is; that is how they make their money.
LilyM said:
And it’s not like broadcasting and making news items about things like the draw is directly related to advertising or brings in bucks for sponsors.
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Leagues and, to a lesser extent, teams do get revenue from those events - the media companies pay the governing bodies/leagues for the rights to broadcast the event. And the advertisers then pay the media companies to show their ads in the hope that the viewers will buy their product or service.
 
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