Oh gonna respectfully disagree with using something like the Super Bowl (where people do and are expected to be rowdy) and Mass…
I use the example of the Super Bowl because it is a situation where one remains focused on a single event for several hours.
Point well taken.
And how much of this is a direct result of the current “go-go-go” society? Mewonders…
Probably not as much as you would think. Looking at the some of how introversion and extroversion shows up in our society these days show that those qualities still do exist.
HEY! I resemble that!Computer geeks and nerds comprise a high number of introverts
I have to agree with this. When we are at Mass, we are at Calvary. That should transcend every other consideration. Boredom really doesn’t come into it, though boredom is a part of the human condition, to which we are all susceptible. The point I would make is that “traditionalists” can be as susceptible to it as others. They may be bored because the OF doesn’t always have the “smells and bells,” or the movements and minutiae over which they knitpick so incessantly. It isn’t just the OF afficianados who are capable of being “bored.”
Can’t get it right now, will try later.
Great points.
Me TOO!HEY! I resemble that!
Why do we have a discussion thread on this particular Mass if the only people who are allowed to post are those who love everything about it?
There have been studies that the average mind can only focus on one thing for fifteen minutes at a time without starting to fade out. However, all that means is you have to “win” people back every fifteen minutes. In terms of teaching (which is how I came across this theory, as an ed minor), it isn’t as onerous as it sounds-an anecdote, a change in your tone of voice, even a change in your position in the room, is often enough to get people back. I haven’t looked at it, but I’d be inclined to say that both the EF and OF do exactly that-“win” people back at short, but regular intervals.
I’m sorry that you think reverence and solemnity are “effeminate”. That’s a disgusting label to slap on something so elevated to the divine.
I can’t wait for space travel so I can visit the planet where this takes place.
I’ll agree with that. Take away communion and obligation and no one would show up.
If you read carefully, I said I found “this aspect” effeminate, not the whole of the Mass. I know some of you “traditionalists” fly off into hyperbole at the drop of a hat, but let’s be accurate.
Also, it’s a posture at least tacitly approved by the Church. Pope Benedict celebrates the Mass that way, even outside the Basilica of St. Peter (in the square, on trips, etc.). So you’re observation is, once again, mere histrionics.
What do you mean by “self-proclaimed traditionalists”? Are you implying that nobody here is really Traditional? I’d like like for you to elaborate, please.
I mean people who claim to be traditionalists, but who do not engage in a traditional Catholic thought process or reasoning, who pick and choose what is “traditional” and what isn’t (indeed, who confuse Tradition and tradition), and who factually get a lot of what they claim to be true completely wrong.
Also, while many of these “self-proclaimed” or “self-styled” “traditionalists” can quote the Syllabus of Errors by Pope St. Pius X to a fare-thee-well, they always conveniently overlook this “traditional” pontiff’s exhortation and continue to qualify their Catholicism with the word “traditional.”