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OK lengthy post to follow. Sorry, but I cant take it anymore. I will post the link to Ian’s site so you can go there and read in detail. Once and for all, the Catholic church did not corrupt the 10 commandments. The Reformers are the ones who, along with getting rid of the septuagint, also changed the order of the 10 commandements. The orginal version (the one the RCC uses) does prohibit graven images. (and bible code is horsefeathers at best. if you want to understand the Book of Revelation, read “The Lambs Supper” by Scott Hahn).
ianpaisley.net/
The 10 Commandments HAVE NOT been perverted by the Catholic Church. (READ THE ENTIRE SECTION - namely the 1st Commandment, with it’s 4 points. In the original language, there were NO numbers. Protestants decided to group them differently than the Catholic Church was doing. There are actually 14 commandments.)
Section Two: The Ten Commandments
IN BRIEF
Chapter One: “You Shall Love the Lord Your God with All Your Heart, and with All Your Soul, and with All Your Mind”
Article 1: The First Commandment
“You Shall Worship the Lord Your God and Him Only Shall You Serve”
“Him Only Shall You Serve”
“You Shall Have No Other Gods before Me”
“You Shall Not Make for Yourself a Graven Image . . .”
IN BRIEF
Article 2: The Second Commandment
The Name of the Lord Is Holy
Taking the Name of the Lord in Vain
The Christian Name
IN BRIEF
Article 3: The Third Commandment
The Sabbath Day
The Lord’s Day
IN BRIEF
Chapter Two: “You Shall Love Your Neighbor as Yourself”
Article 4: The Fourth Commandment
The Family in God’s Plan
The Family and Society
The Duties of Family Members
The Family and the Kingdom
The Authorities in Civil Society
IN BRIEF
Article 5: The Fifth Commandment
Respect for Human Life
Respect for the Dignity of Persons
Safeguarding Peace
IN BRIEF
Article 6: The Sixth Commandment
“Male and Female He Created Them . . .”
The Vocation to Chastity
The Love of Husband and Wife
Offenses Against the Dignity of Marriage
IN BRIEF
Article 7: The Seventh Commandment
The Universal Destination and the Private Ownership of Goods
Respect for Persons and Their Goods
The Social Doctrine of the Church
Economic Activity and Social Justice
Justice and Solidarity among Nations
Love for the Poor
IN BRIEF
Article 8: The Eighth Commandment
Living in the Truth
To Bear Witness to the Truth
Offenses Against Truth
Respect for the Truth
The Use of the Social Communications Media
Truth, Beauty, and Sacred Art
IN BRIEF
Article 9: The Ninth Commandment
Purification of the Heart
The Battle for Purity
IN BRIEF
Article 10: The Tenth Commandment
The Disorder of Covetous Desires
The Desires of the Spirit
Poverty of Heart
“I Want to See God”
ianpaisley.net/
The 10 Commandments HAVE NOT been perverted by the Catholic Church. (READ THE ENTIRE SECTION - namely the 1st Commandment, with it’s 4 points. In the original language, there were NO numbers. Protestants decided to group them differently than the Catholic Church was doing. There are actually 14 commandments.)
Section Two: The Ten Commandments
IN BRIEF
Chapter One: “You Shall Love the Lord Your God with All Your Heart, and with All Your Soul, and with All Your Mind”
Article 1: The First Commandment
“You Shall Worship the Lord Your God and Him Only Shall You Serve”
“Him Only Shall You Serve”
“You Shall Have No Other Gods before Me”
“You Shall Not Make for Yourself a Graven Image . . .”
IN BRIEF
Article 2: The Second Commandment
The Name of the Lord Is Holy
Taking the Name of the Lord in Vain
The Christian Name
IN BRIEF
Article 3: The Third Commandment
The Sabbath Day
The Lord’s Day
IN BRIEF
Chapter Two: “You Shall Love Your Neighbor as Yourself”
Article 4: The Fourth Commandment
The Family in God’s Plan
The Family and Society
The Duties of Family Members
The Family and the Kingdom
The Authorities in Civil Society
IN BRIEF
Article 5: The Fifth Commandment
Respect for Human Life
Respect for the Dignity of Persons
Safeguarding Peace
IN BRIEF
Article 6: The Sixth Commandment
“Male and Female He Created Them . . .”
The Vocation to Chastity
The Love of Husband and Wife
Offenses Against the Dignity of Marriage
IN BRIEF
Article 7: The Seventh Commandment
The Universal Destination and the Private Ownership of Goods
Respect for Persons and Their Goods
The Social Doctrine of the Church
Economic Activity and Social Justice
Justice and Solidarity among Nations
Love for the Poor
IN BRIEF
Article 8: The Eighth Commandment
Living in the Truth
To Bear Witness to the Truth
Offenses Against Truth
Respect for the Truth
The Use of the Social Communications Media
Truth, Beauty, and Sacred Art
IN BRIEF
Article 9: The Ninth Commandment
Purification of the Heart
The Battle for Purity
IN BRIEF
Article 10: The Tenth Commandment
The Disorder of Covetous Desires
The Desires of the Spirit
Poverty of Heart
“I Want to See God”
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St.Eric
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continued…
Section Two
The Ten Commandments
“Teacher, what must I do . . . ?”
2052
“Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?” To the young man who asked this question, Jesus answers first by invoking the necessity to recognize God as the “One there is who is good,” as the supreme Good and the source of all good. Then Jesus tells him: “If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” And he cites for his questioner the precepts that concern love of neighbor: “You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.” Finally Jesus sums up these commandments positively: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."1
2053
To this first reply Jesus adds a second: "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."2 This reply does not do away with the first: following Jesus Christ involves keeping the Commandments. The Law has not been abolished,3 but rather man is invited to rediscover it in the person of his Master who is its perfect fulfillment. In the three synoptic Gospels, Jesus’ call to the rich young man to follow him, in the obedience of a disciple and in the observance of the Commandments, is joined to the call to poverty and chastity.4 The evangelical counsels are inseparable from the Commandments.
2054
Jesus acknowledged the Ten Commandments, but he also showed the power of the Spirit at work in their letter. He preached a "righteousness [which] exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees"5 as well as that of the Gentiles.6 He unfolded all the demands of the Commandments. "You have heard that it was said to the men of old, ‘You shall not kill.’ . . . But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment."7
2055
When someone asks him, "Which commandment in the Law is the greatest?"8 Jesus replies: "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets."9 The Decalogue must be interpreted in light of this twofold yet single commandment of love, the fullness of the Law:
The commandments: “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.10
The Decalogue in Sacred Scripture
2056
The word “Decalogue” means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these “ten words” to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.
2057
The Decalogue must first be understood in the context of the Exodus, God’s great liberating event at the center of the Old Covenant. Whether formulated as negative commandments, prohibitions, or as positive precepts such as: “Honor your father and mother,” the “ten words” point out the conditions of a life freed from the slavery of sin. The Decalogue is a path of life:
If you love the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his ordinances, then you shall live and multiply.17
This liberating power of the Decalogue appears, for example, in the commandment about the sabbath rest, directed also to foreigners and slaves:
You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm.18
Section Two
The Ten Commandments
“Teacher, what must I do . . . ?”
2052
“Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?” To the young man who asked this question, Jesus answers first by invoking the necessity to recognize God as the “One there is who is good,” as the supreme Good and the source of all good. Then Jesus tells him: “If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” And he cites for his questioner the precepts that concern love of neighbor: “You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.” Finally Jesus sums up these commandments positively: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."1
2053
To this first reply Jesus adds a second: "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."2 This reply does not do away with the first: following Jesus Christ involves keeping the Commandments. The Law has not been abolished,3 but rather man is invited to rediscover it in the person of his Master who is its perfect fulfillment. In the three synoptic Gospels, Jesus’ call to the rich young man to follow him, in the obedience of a disciple and in the observance of the Commandments, is joined to the call to poverty and chastity.4 The evangelical counsels are inseparable from the Commandments.
2054
Jesus acknowledged the Ten Commandments, but he also showed the power of the Spirit at work in their letter. He preached a "righteousness [which] exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees"5 as well as that of the Gentiles.6 He unfolded all the demands of the Commandments. "You have heard that it was said to the men of old, ‘You shall not kill.’ . . . But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment."7
2055
When someone asks him, "Which commandment in the Law is the greatest?"8 Jesus replies: "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets."9 The Decalogue must be interpreted in light of this twofold yet single commandment of love, the fullness of the Law:
The commandments: “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.10
The Decalogue in Sacred Scripture
2056
The word “Decalogue” means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these “ten words” to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.
2057
The Decalogue must first be understood in the context of the Exodus, God’s great liberating event at the center of the Old Covenant. Whether formulated as negative commandments, prohibitions, or as positive precepts such as: “Honor your father and mother,” the “ten words” point out the conditions of a life freed from the slavery of sin. The Decalogue is a path of life:
If you love the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his ordinances, then you shall live and multiply.17
This liberating power of the Decalogue appears, for example, in the commandment about the sabbath rest, directed also to foreigners and slaves:
You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm.18
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St.Eric
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continued…
2058
The “ten words” sum up and proclaim God’s law: "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly at the mountain out of the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and he added no more. And he wrote them upon two tablets of stone, and gave them to me."19 For this reason these two tablets are called “the Testimony.” In fact, they contain the terms of the covenant concluded between God and his people. These “tablets of the Testimony” were to be deposited in "the ark."20
2059
The “ten words” are pronounced by God in the midst of a theophany ("The LORD spoke with you face to face at the mountain, out of the midst of the fire."21). They belong to God’s revelation of himself and his glory. The gift of the Commandments is the gift of God himself and his holy will. In making his will known, God reveals himself to his people.
2060
The gift of the commandments and of the Law is part of the covenant God sealed with his own. In Exodus, the revelation of the “ten words” is granted between the proposal of the covenant22 and its conclusion—after the people had committed themselves to “do” all that the Lord had said, and to “obey” it.23 The Decalogue is never handed on without first recalling the covenant (“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.”).24
2061
The Commandments take on their full meaning within the covenant. According to Scripture, man’s moral life has all its meaning in and through the covenant. The first of the “ten words” recalls that God loved his people first:
Since there was a passing from the paradise of freedom to the slavery of this world, in punishment for sin, the first phrase of the Decalogue, the first word of God’s commandments, bears on freedom: "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery."25
2062
The Commandments properly so-called come in the second place: they express the implications of belonging to God through the establishment of the covenant. Moral existence is a response to the Lord’s loving initiative. It is the acknowledgement and homage given to God and a worship of thanksgiving. It is cooperation with the plan God pursues in history.
2063
The covenant and dialogue between God and man are also attested to by the fact that all the obligations are stated in the first person (“I am the Lord.”) and addressed by God to another personal subject (“you”). In all God’s commandments, the singular personal pronoun designates the recipient. God makes his will known to each person in particular, at the same time as he makes it known to the whole people:
The Lord prescribed love towards God and taught justice towards neighbor, so that man would be neither unjust, nor unworthy of God. Thus, through the Decalogue, God prepared man to become his friend and to live in harmony with his neighbor. . . . The words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26
The Decalogue in the Church’s tradition
2064
In fidelity to Scripture and in conformity with the example of Jesus, the tradition of the Church has acknowledged the primordial importance and significance of the Decalogue.
2065
Ever since St. Augustine, the Ten Commandments have occupied a predominant place in the catechesis of baptismal candidates and the faithful. In the fifteenth century, the custom arose of expressing the commandments of the Decalogue in rhymed formulae, easy to memorize and in positive form. They are still in use today. The catechisms of the Church have often expounded Christian morality by following the order of the Ten Commandments.
2066
The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confessions. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities.
2067
The Ten Commandments state what is required in the love of God and love of neighbor. The first three concern love of God, and the other seven love of neighbor.
As charity comprises the two commandments to which the Lord related the whole Law and the prophets . . . so the Ten Commandments were themselves given on two tablets. Three were written on one tablet and seven on the other.27
2058
The “ten words” sum up and proclaim God’s law: "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly at the mountain out of the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and he added no more. And he wrote them upon two tablets of stone, and gave them to me."19 For this reason these two tablets are called “the Testimony.” In fact, they contain the terms of the covenant concluded between God and his people. These “tablets of the Testimony” were to be deposited in "the ark."20
2059
The “ten words” are pronounced by God in the midst of a theophany ("The LORD spoke with you face to face at the mountain, out of the midst of the fire."21). They belong to God’s revelation of himself and his glory. The gift of the Commandments is the gift of God himself and his holy will. In making his will known, God reveals himself to his people.
2060
The gift of the commandments and of the Law is part of the covenant God sealed with his own. In Exodus, the revelation of the “ten words” is granted between the proposal of the covenant22 and its conclusion—after the people had committed themselves to “do” all that the Lord had said, and to “obey” it.23 The Decalogue is never handed on without first recalling the covenant (“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.”).24
2061
The Commandments take on their full meaning within the covenant. According to Scripture, man’s moral life has all its meaning in and through the covenant. The first of the “ten words” recalls that God loved his people first:
Since there was a passing from the paradise of freedom to the slavery of this world, in punishment for sin, the first phrase of the Decalogue, the first word of God’s commandments, bears on freedom: "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery."25
2062
The Commandments properly so-called come in the second place: they express the implications of belonging to God through the establishment of the covenant. Moral existence is a response to the Lord’s loving initiative. It is the acknowledgement and homage given to God and a worship of thanksgiving. It is cooperation with the plan God pursues in history.
2063
The covenant and dialogue between God and man are also attested to by the fact that all the obligations are stated in the first person (“I am the Lord.”) and addressed by God to another personal subject (“you”). In all God’s commandments, the singular personal pronoun designates the recipient. God makes his will known to each person in particular, at the same time as he makes it known to the whole people:
The Lord prescribed love towards God and taught justice towards neighbor, so that man would be neither unjust, nor unworthy of God. Thus, through the Decalogue, God prepared man to become his friend and to live in harmony with his neighbor. . . . The words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26
The Decalogue in the Church’s tradition
2064
In fidelity to Scripture and in conformity with the example of Jesus, the tradition of the Church has acknowledged the primordial importance and significance of the Decalogue.
2065
Ever since St. Augustine, the Ten Commandments have occupied a predominant place in the catechesis of baptismal candidates and the faithful. In the fifteenth century, the custom arose of expressing the commandments of the Decalogue in rhymed formulae, easy to memorize and in positive form. They are still in use today. The catechisms of the Church have often expounded Christian morality by following the order of the Ten Commandments.
2066
The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confessions. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities.
2067
The Ten Commandments state what is required in the love of God and love of neighbor. The first three concern love of God, and the other seven love of neighbor.
As charity comprises the two commandments to which the Lord related the whole Law and the prophets . . . so the Ten Commandments were themselves given on two tablets. Three were written on one tablet and seven on the other.27
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St.Eric
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Continued…Last one:
2068
The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 the Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29
The unity of the Decalogue
2069
The Decalogue forms a coherent whole. Each “word” refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. The two tablets shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. The Decalogue brings man’s religious and social life into unity.
The Decalogue and the natural law
2070
The Ten Commandments belong to God’s revelation. At the same time they teach us the true humanity of man. They bring to light the essential duties, and therefore, indirectly, the fundamental rights inherent in the nature of the human person. The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law:
From the beginning, God had implanted in the heart of man the precepts of the natural law. Then he was content to remind him of them. This was the Decalogue.31
2071
The commandments of the Decalogue, although accessible to reason alone, have been revealed. To attain a complete and certain understanding of the requirements of the natural law, sinful humanity needed this revelation:
A full explanation of the commandments of the Decalogue became necessary in the state of sin because the light of reason was obscured and the will had gone astray.32
We know God’s commandments through the divine revelation proposed to us in the Church, and through the voice of moral conscience.
The obligation of the Decalogue
2072
Since they express man’s fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations. They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. The Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.
2073
Obedience to the Commandments also implies obligations in matter which is, in itself, light. Thus abusive LANGUAGE is forbidden by the fifth commandment, but would be a grave offense only as a result of circumstances or the offender’s intention.
“Apart from me you can do nothing”
2074
Jesus says: "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing."33 The fruit referred to in this saying is the holiness of a life made fruitful by union with Christ. When we believe in Jesus Christ, partake of his mysteries, and keep his commandments, the Savior himself comes to love, in us, his Father and his brethren, our Father and our brethren. His person becomes, through the Spirit, the living and interior rule of our activity. "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."34
IN BRIEF
2075
“What good deed must I do, to have eternal life?”—“If you would enter into life, keep the commandments” (Mt 19:16-17).
2076
By his life and by his preaching Jesus attested to the permanent validity of the Decalogue.
2077
The gift of the Decalogue is bestowed from within the covenant concluded by God with his people. God’s commandments take on their true meaning in and through this covenant.
2078
In fidelity to Scripture and in conformity with Jesus’ example, the tradition of the Church has always acknowledged the primordial importance and significance of the Decalogue.
2079
The Decalogue forms an organic unity in which each “word” or “commandment” refers to all the others taken together. To transgress one commandment is to infringe the whole Law (cf. Jas 2:10-11).
2080
The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law. It is made known to us by divine revelation and by human reason.
2081
The Ten Commandments, in their fundamental content, state grave obligations. However, obedience to these precepts also implies obligations in matter which is, in itself, light.
2082
What God commands he makes possible by his grace.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
3211 4th Street, N.E., Washington, DC 20017-1194 (202) 541-3000
WE have the true 10 Commandemnets!
2068
The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 the Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29
The unity of the Decalogue
2069
The Decalogue forms a coherent whole. Each “word” refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. The two tablets shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. The Decalogue brings man’s religious and social life into unity.
The Decalogue and the natural law
2070
The Ten Commandments belong to God’s revelation. At the same time they teach us the true humanity of man. They bring to light the essential duties, and therefore, indirectly, the fundamental rights inherent in the nature of the human person. The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law:
From the beginning, God had implanted in the heart of man the precepts of the natural law. Then he was content to remind him of them. This was the Decalogue.31
2071
The commandments of the Decalogue, although accessible to reason alone, have been revealed. To attain a complete and certain understanding of the requirements of the natural law, sinful humanity needed this revelation:
A full explanation of the commandments of the Decalogue became necessary in the state of sin because the light of reason was obscured and the will had gone astray.32
We know God’s commandments through the divine revelation proposed to us in the Church, and through the voice of moral conscience.
The obligation of the Decalogue
2072
Since they express man’s fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations. They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. The Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.
2073
Obedience to the Commandments also implies obligations in matter which is, in itself, light. Thus abusive LANGUAGE is forbidden by the fifth commandment, but would be a grave offense only as a result of circumstances or the offender’s intention.
“Apart from me you can do nothing”
2074
Jesus says: "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing."33 The fruit referred to in this saying is the holiness of a life made fruitful by union with Christ. When we believe in Jesus Christ, partake of his mysteries, and keep his commandments, the Savior himself comes to love, in us, his Father and his brethren, our Father and our brethren. His person becomes, through the Spirit, the living and interior rule of our activity. "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."34
IN BRIEF
2075
“What good deed must I do, to have eternal life?”—“If you would enter into life, keep the commandments” (Mt 19:16-17).
2076
By his life and by his preaching Jesus attested to the permanent validity of the Decalogue.
2077
The gift of the Decalogue is bestowed from within the covenant concluded by God with his people. God’s commandments take on their true meaning in and through this covenant.
2078
In fidelity to Scripture and in conformity with Jesus’ example, the tradition of the Church has always acknowledged the primordial importance and significance of the Decalogue.
2079
The Decalogue forms an organic unity in which each “word” or “commandment” refers to all the others taken together. To transgress one commandment is to infringe the whole Law (cf. Jas 2:10-11).
2080
The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law. It is made known to us by divine revelation and by human reason.
2081
The Ten Commandments, in their fundamental content, state grave obligations. However, obedience to these precepts also implies obligations in matter which is, in itself, light.
2082
What God commands he makes possible by his grace.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
3211 4th Street, N.E., Washington, DC 20017-1194 (202) 541-3000
WE have the true 10 Commandemnets!
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believers
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JSmitty, If I had “known it all,” I might have stayed Catholic. Again, 90% doesn’t cut it. I didn’t mention Mary worship. I’m talking about God’s laws. Even as a Catholic, I was very adamant about keeping the Commandments. I was under the impression that I was keeping all 10 not 9. We’re probably beating a dead horse now. You’ll either get it or not. I’m not trying to convert anyone here. I’m answering the Topic question.It’s funny how many times I’ve heard this from former Catholics. They usually turn around and accuse the Church of Mary-worship and teaching that one can work his way to Heaven.:ehh:
I have yet to meet someone that advertises their knowledge of Catholicism that actually has a real knowledge of Catholicism. They just assume, because they were once Catholic, that they must have known it all.
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Eric, Yes, the Vatican does. They are just not all listed in the “Traditional Catechetical Formula.” I’m not making this up. I’m not giving you a link to an unknown source. I’m referring you to the very source of the RCC. Now, please go to the Catechism of the Catholic Church on the Vatican’s website. Its right there in plain view.
PART THREE:LIFE IN CHRIST
SECTION TWO: THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
Here’s a convenient link for you: vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm
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St.Eric
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I went to the Vatican link. Under that formula the Graven images command falls under the 1st commandment. It is not left out. Read my posts above, they are a full explaination. All of the info comes from the ccc. Well believers, you now have 100% of the Catholic teaching on the 10 Commandements instead of 90% you had before. So, come on back home to Rome brother. You left in error if that is the only reason you left! Come on, swim back across the Tiber, I know you can do it! I will pray for you!
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believers
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Great, now that you’ve seen it for yourself. Let me explain something. In CCD, that’s when you learn how to be Catholic. Only the “Traditional Catechetical Formula” is taught and memorized. The actual Catholic commandments are listed in the right column and numbered 1-10. The left and center colums are what’s actually in the Bible. That’s what Protestants obey. Catholics do not include the part about graven images. That’s what I’ve been trying to explain to you.
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Tonks40
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So, you want us to overemphasize the fact that the CCC and the Traditional Catechetical Formula omits this?? Doubt that’s gonna happen, because we don’t ‘pick-and-choose’ like some of our non-Catholic brethren do. We take the whole teaching in it’s entirety, including not having other gods before the one True God.
That’s why you see all three 10 commandments in the CCC. We ain’t afraid to leave anything out!!
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believers
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huh Overemphasize? It’s only one of God’s Commandments. My point is the RCC teaches only the Traditional Catechetical Formula in CCD. That’s just not right. Just ask any of your Catholic friends to recite the 10 Commandments. You’ll probably notice that none or very few actually know the one about graven images. That’s because it’s not taught or included. Well, the next time you see a listing of the Ten Commandments, at least you’ll know that one is missing.
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St.Eric
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Nice point Tonks. Beleivers, doesn’t it strike you as strange that the Vatican site contains the 2 forms of the 10 commandments and the Church form. If the Church were really hiding the “real” 10 commandments, why would the Vatican post all 3 forms? Wouldn’t she want to hide the other 2 and keep us in the dark?
Well, the final answer is, as Tonks stated, she is not fooling us. She is posting ALL of the forms of the 10 commandments and we are called to obey them all. Read all of my previous posts, there are actually 14 commandments.The CCC states that transgression of 1 of the laws is to transgress all of the law. So basically you were poorly cathechised. Looks like now you are getting a proper cathechism here. Like I said, come home to ROme brother!
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believers
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So by who’s authority does the Vatican have the right to leave out one of the Commandments?
You still don’t get it. CCD (Confraternity of Christian Doctrine) is Catholic Instruction/Education. The Original Ten Commandments are not taught in its entirety. Only the 9 which are numbered 1-10. If you didn’t attend CCD classes then you probably won’t know this little known fact. That means most Catholics will never know about this Commandment. With over 1 Billion Catholics making up roughly 17% of the world’s population. Millions of people attend CCD. How many of them do you think know?
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St.Eric
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Brother beleivers,
I hope you are not going to church on Sunday. According to the 10 commandments (old testament days) the Sabbath was on Saturday. The Roman Catholic Church (New Testament era) instituted Sunday as the sabbath and the day of worship as this is the day of the resurection. So, in your adherrence to the 10 commandments, you should probably observe Saturday as the real Sabbath and not the one given to us by our Mother Church.
The following is from Wikipedia, a neutral source. Please read carefully:
Orthodox and Roman Catholic Christianity
The official Catholic and Orthodox Christian understanding of the Ten commandments is as follows (Deuteronomy, RSV):
The first three commandments govern the relationship between God and humans.
1.“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.”
4. “Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God commanded you; that your days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with you, in the land which the LORD your God gives you.” -
This commandment emphasizes the family as part of God’s design, as well as an extended metaphor that God uses for his relationship with his creation.
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I hope you are not going to church on Sunday. According to the 10 commandments (old testament days) the Sabbath was on Saturday. The Roman Catholic Church (New Testament era) instituted Sunday as the sabbath and the day of worship as this is the day of the resurection. So, in your adherrence to the 10 commandments, you should probably observe Saturday as the real Sabbath and not the one given to us by our Mother Church.
The following is from Wikipedia, a neutral source. Please read carefully:
Orthodox and Roman Catholic Christianity
The official Catholic and Orthodox Christian understanding of the Ten commandments is as follows (Deuteronomy, RSV):
The first three commandments govern the relationship between God and humans.
1.“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.”
- **The text of what Catholics recognize as the first commandment precedes and follows the “no graven images” warning with a prohibition against worshipping false gods. ** Some Protestants have claimed that the Catholic version of the ten commandments intentionally conceals the biblical prohibition of idolatry. But the Bible includes numerous references to carved images of angels, trees, and animals (Exodus 25:18-21; Numbers 21:8-9; 1 Kings 6:23-28 1 Kings 6:29; Ezekiel 41:17-25) that were associated with worship of God. Catholics and Protestants alike erect nativity scenes or use felt cut-outs to aid their Sunday-school instruction. (While not all Catholics have a particularly strong devotion to icons or other religious artifacts, Catholic teaching distinguishes between veneration (dulia) – which is paying honor to God through contemplation of objects such as paintings and statues, and adoration (latria) – which is properly given to God alone.)
- “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.” –
The moral lesson here involves more than simply a prohibition of swearing; it also prohibits the misappropriation of religious language in order to commit a crime, to participate in occult practices, or blaspheming against places or people that are holy to God.
3.“Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your manservant, or your maidservant, or your ox, or your ***, or any of your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.” -
Catholic and Orthodox Christians do not refrain from work on Saturday. However, they do refrain from work on Sunday. Furthermore The Catholic Church states in the Catechism (2185) that, “On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to by God, the joy proper to the Lord’s Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.” Necessary work is permitted however, and the Catechism goes on to state that, “Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest.” As well, the Bible, in Mark 2:23-28, states that, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.” See Sabbath. Some Protestant Christians, such as Seventh-day Adventists, observe the Sabbath day and hence refrain from work on Saturday. Other Protestants observe Sunday as a day of rest.
4. “Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God commanded you; that your days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with you, in the land which the LORD your God gives you.” -
This commandment emphasizes the family as part of God’s design, as well as an extended metaphor that God uses for his relationship with his creation.
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St.Eric
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- “You shall not murder.” -
Since respect for life includes an obligation to respect one’s own life and the lives of people under one’s protection, it is legitimate to use force – even fatal force – against the threats of an aggressor who cannot be stopped any other way. While Catholic teaching recognizes the right of states to execute criminals when necessary to preserve the safety of citizens, the Church argues that other methods of protecting society (incarceration, rehabilitation) are increasingly available in the modern world; thus, there are now few if any cases that really necessitate capital punishment. Catholics and Orthodox (along with many Protestants) also consider abortion sinful and a violation of this commandment. - “Neither shall you commit adultery.” -
For Catholics, marriage is a sacrament; unlike most Catholic sacraments, which are performed by a priest, in marriage, the husband and wife convey sanctifying graces upon each other. For the Orthodox, marriage is conferred by the priest, but is still seen as a sacred bond. Adultery is the breaking of this holy bond, and is thus a sacrilege. - “Neither shall you steal.”
8.“Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbor.”
9. “Neither shall you covet your neighbor’s wife”
10. “and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ***, or anything that is your neighbor’s.”
Moreover, within the Catholic tradition, as in much of Judaism, the Commandments are also seen as general “subject headings” for moral theology, in addition to being specific commandments in themselves. Thus, the commandment to honor father and mother is seen as a heading for a general rule to respect legitimate authority, including the authority of the state. The commandment not to commit adultery is traditionally taken to be a heading for a general rule to be sexually pure, the specific content of the purity depending, of course, on whether one is married or not. In this way, the Ten Commandments can be seen as dividing up all of morality.
And with that, I am done on the subject. If you cant see the truth by now, I have to assume your heart has been hardened. God Bless!
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St.Eric
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believers
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Very good. I observe the Sabbath which is Saturday. We do our best to keep it Holy. We pray and talk about the Bible. God’s said rest on the 7th day not the 1st. I do go to church on Sunday’s too. Along with Wednesday & Friday.
Again, by who’s authority does the RCC have the right to change the Sabbath?
Remember what Jesus said,
Mat 7:21-23 (I Never Knew You)
21 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
22 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works?”
23 "And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessess!”
So, if you’re keeping score… most Catholics observe 8 out of the 10 commandments just by being Catholic. That, btw, was another reason for my leaving.
Again, by who’s authority does the RCC have the right to change the Sabbath?
Remember what Jesus said,
Mat 7:21-23 (I Never Knew You)
21 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
22 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works?”
23 "And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessess!”
So, if you’re keeping score… most Catholics observe 8 out of the 10 commandments just by being Catholic. That, btw, was another reason for my leaving.
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St.Eric
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By Christ’s authority- that is the short answer. Check out your Cathechism #2174, 2190,2191,2192-3, 2176, 1343, 2178, 2182, 2177, 2181, 2180, 2183, 2185-6, 2194-5
Now go to this Vatican link. Just like most opponents of the church- you only gave part of the info when you included your vatican link. You didn’t give the full teaching. Click the link and scroll down the page to 2129
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm
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St.Eric
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You are begininng to sound like a Judaizer. Paul specifically preaches against their practices.
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Dorothy
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It would help to do a bit of reading and inform yourself instead of running away from the Church due to some skewed information.
This article helps explain about the difference in the Ten Commandments.
catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0403fea3.asp
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