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rfournier103
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I agree with everything you said.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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Here is the problem that the NFL and Goodell have. A team and one of it’s great players cheated. And this should have been handled immediately. The lopsided score does not matter. They got caught cheating and should have been punished immediately. An all powerful comish like Goodell should have banned them from the next playoff game and moved the Colts forward. But now, here we are a year later trying to hash out this punishment in the NEXT season. Some players involved might not even be around. Two men lost their jobs.
Goodell is a great comish. He has wielded incredible power over a league and players that are hard to control. Under his leadership he has grown the already popular league into the stratosphere. And along the way he make some HUGE mistakes. In his bid to be judge and jury and have a huge amount of power over players (something I support) he has missed some HUGE things. Ray Rice etc was an example of him messing up. He was bound to make some mistakes. And the Brady issue is his way of getting telling the players and the union that “hey, I am still the big boss>” And he will win. There will be a settlement where both sides can claim victory but the bottom line is another brick in the wall of precedent power will be put in for the league and the comish. And that wall has taken some shots recently. I have no idea why people think the judge will come down on Brady’s side. The NFL would not play chicken on such a minor issue if it were not sure it had some backing legally. Brady however would. Let us not forget that people were fired. And those people might just be what the NFL has in it’s back pocket. The fact that Brady is willing to take a punishment for obstructing the investigation is telling as was his destroying of evidence. And the comish is well within his rights to come down hard. Because honestly, if the comsih had done things right the first time we would have different super bowl winners last year. The gall of Brady to get his ring, and then fight the suspension is appalling. The organization agreed to sanctions and to let the comish handle it. He did. Seems pretty open and shut to me.
The only mistake goodell made was not handling this immediately and swiftly and harshly. Who knows, if that had happened we might have the cell phone.
Goodell is a great comish. He has wielded incredible power over a league and players that are hard to control. Under his leadership he has grown the already popular league into the stratosphere. And along the way he make some HUGE mistakes. In his bid to be judge and jury and have a huge amount of power over players (something I support) he has missed some HUGE things. Ray Rice etc was an example of him messing up. He was bound to make some mistakes. And the Brady issue is his way of getting telling the players and the union that “hey, I am still the big boss>” And he will win. There will be a settlement where both sides can claim victory but the bottom line is another brick in the wall of precedent power will be put in for the league and the comish. And that wall has taken some shots recently. I have no idea why people think the judge will come down on Brady’s side. The NFL would not play chicken on such a minor issue if it were not sure it had some backing legally. Brady however would. Let us not forget that people were fired. And those people might just be what the NFL has in it’s back pocket. The fact that Brady is willing to take a punishment for obstructing the investigation is telling as was his destroying of evidence. And the comish is well within his rights to come down hard. Because honestly, if the comsih had done things right the first time we would have different super bowl winners last year. The gall of Brady to get his ring, and then fight the suspension is appalling. The organization agreed to sanctions and to let the comish handle it. He did. Seems pretty open and shut to me.
The only mistake goodell made was not handling this immediately and swiftly and harshly. Who knows, if that had happened we might have the cell phone.
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JimR-OCDS
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Neither Brady nor the Patriots were caught cheating.
The Well’s reports makes ambiguous accusations without proof.
The only ball that was significantly under pressure, was the one intercepted by the Colts, brought to their sideline and not brought to the ref until 10 minutes after, which gave them plenty of time to let air pressure out.
The Players Union is standing behind Brady because the report “probably was aware,” is ambiguous and not warranting a four game suspension.
Not handing over his cell phone to the investigators…Brady’s lawyers told him not to, and to destroy the phone instead.
Why ? Because its personal and not any of the NFL’s business, but also because both Brady and his super-model wife are subjects for gossip columnists and they would’ve used anything to make a story and there is no way the Well’s investigators could stop it, whether true or not. There would’ve have been false gossip columns about secretly released stories based on the cell phone.
So yeah, destroy the phone for there is no way anyone can say they some how got a juicy secrete message off it.
Goodell wants the judge to make the call in throwing out the suspension this way he can say, " I wanted to punish Brady, but the judge ruled otherwise."
Goodell should be fired after this all said and done.
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Path_Finder
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My friend is a baseball nut, he goes on all the time about comparing Pete Rose to I believe, Alex Rodriguez whom apparently used steroids. Now that is bad and I think it puts Rose who bet on games he was not participating in and this Brady is accused of. I think it’s a valid point, the records should be taken away from confessed steroid users.It is me, or do I see Pete Rose happening here all over again?
Not saying Brady won’t be in HOF, just wondering why pro sports doesn’t seem to be as hard on convicted criminals sometimes.
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ucfengr
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Rose did bet on games he was involved in.
sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2798498
I’m a bit more sanguine about performance enhancing drugs. I have a hard time seeing a significant moral difference between something like Lasix surgery or “Tommy John” surgery, which are legal, and steroids which aren’t. All of them enhance performance to some degree or another, but only one is banned.
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Path_Finder
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Thank you for your response.
My friend is way wrong on this. I think this is what he always says. It blows his theory some.
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rfournier103
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Nobody was caught doing anything. The only FACT that can be PROVEN is that there was a football with not enough air-pressure in it at the AFC Championship Game. Ever heard of the Ideal Gas Law? What PROOF does the NFL have? Nothing that will hold up in court.
I am guessing that with the word “Hoosier” in your name, you’re a Colts fan. If I were a Colts fan, I’d be mad too. Especially since when fully inflated footballs were used in the second half, the Colts were outscored 28-0 after holding the Patriots to only 17 points in the first half.
Hopefully justice will prevail and Tom Brady’s name will be cleared.
The Drive for Five begins in just a few short weeks…
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Hoosier_Daddy
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I have a little insight to Brady. I have personal friends in and around the NFL. One of them was a receiver. He is a devout Catholic. Brady’s Dad, (also a devout Catholic) asks my friend to pray for Tom on a daily basis.
Brady Cheated. Period. He likes the balls a certain way and never ever would a person have altered the balls and not been under the QBs direction. It just would not happen in the entire NFL. Ever. Imagine an equipment manager doing this and not having the approval of the QB Or even telling him about the balls he would be throwing in an NFL playoff game. So we can leave this “not caught” stuff behind us. Not to mention the history and reputation of cheating. If the lawyers instructed Tom to destroy the phone then why was that not the story? Why was the lie that Tom had no idea that they wanted the phone and he was just exchanging it for a new one…
C’mon Man! (Little MNF Reference)
I will tell you that on a personal level and as a Catholic, Brady needs our prayers. And on a professional level you are correct if Goodell Loses. ( I don’t mean both sides claim victory) but flat out loses, he should go. I say this as a Goodell fan and an NFL fan. The NFL needs to be ruled with an iron fist. And if Goodell is losing his grip, he should go and they should get someone who can impose a harsher standard. But all of this is media driven anyway. Remember all the NBA scandals and such. Stern being taken to task? Remember the Baseball fiasco that we are still dealing with?
Somehow we have a league in which Tebow should not be allowed to play, Sam is obviously the best player on the planet, People get 2 games for wife beating and 4 games for letting the air out of a football. Vick gets million dollar pay days.
This is not unique to football. Baseball has historically had way worse scandals. Some of them recently. And who can forget the NBA in the 90s who had a whole team (portland) of felons and Kobe’s deal, and etc.
This should have been handled better by Goodell but I usually have a personality that sides with owners and commissioners anyway.
Goodell has made some mistakes but man, In my opinion that guy should be president of our country. Perhaps that job would be easier. There is an election coming up…
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JimR-OCDS
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Beware of bearing false witness.
Without proof Brady had any involvement with the pressure on the footballs has never been proven.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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False witness? Oh please. Has it come down to invoking that in defense of the god Brady!?
I have worked as an accountant and a scientist and in both cases when a Boss feels that someone is not up to par honesty wise or cheating, they can give them the boot.
Keep defending him…
I’ll be watching football…
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Path_Finder
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Keep watching football but I’m a bit perturbed and bothered too with the whole NFL nowadays and I don’t plug the collegiate game either. There are other things.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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After Brady Emails were disclosed, we saw that he took a jab at Manning. No big deal really he was talking with a close friend and there was some trash talking going on, nothing any other player wouldn’t do. But then Brady chooses rather than talking to or calling, or writing a letter or writing an Email to TEXT Manning an apology! It would seem that Texting is Brady’s favorite way to communicate to other football players…
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JimR-OCDS
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You made this statement; Brady Cheated. Period.False witness? Oh please. Has it come down to invoking that in defense of the god Brady!?
I have worked as an accountant and a scientist and in both cases when a Boss feels that someone is not up to par honesty wise or cheating, they can give them the boot.
Keep defending him…
I’ll be watching football…
There is no evidence Brady cheated.
Unless you have definite proof, you bear false witness by judging the man for cheating.
Even in a court of law, a person is innocent until proven guilty.
The NFL failed to show guilt or even association to guilt.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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Actually I am a denver fan. Always have been always will be. But that is the problem, it shouldn’t matter who you are a fan of. What we are talking about is the reality of what happened. Actually I like the patriots before the Colts. Pats would probably be about 4th on my “like list” with The colts rounding out the top 5…
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JimR-OCDS
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The reality of what happened, we don’t know and the Wells report failed to tell us.
Fact is, the NFL had a bad policy on how footballs are inspected and handled.
This year they’ve changed the rules. The refs have control of the balls until they’re out on the field just before the start of the game, and they’re inspected outside in the cold, before being given over to the teams.
Personally ?
There should be one football used for the entire game, unless lost into the stands, but then replaced.
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JimR-OCDS
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Again, bearing false witness.OJ did it too…
You know it, I know it, and the American People know it…
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Path_Finder
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Would one have this objection if one stated their opinion differently? What if one says something like “Based on the facts as I see it, I think he did it and here’s why”. Do you mainly object to one stating such a conclusion as if it were the truth? I can see your view and I don’t think it is a big deal for all of us to merely make our statements a little less severe.
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JimR-OCDS
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I’d have no objection to someone saying they believed he cheated, then it’s just stating a opinion on an guess.
Saying, “he cheated period,” is a definitive judgment.
Without proof, its bearing false witness on the person.
Jim
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