Tom Brady Suspended

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JimR-OCDS said:
I’d have no objection to someone saying they believed he cheated, then it’s just stating a opinion on an guess.

Saying, “he cheated period,” is a definitive judgment.

Without proof, its bearing false witness on the person.

Jim
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Cheers! Agreed! 👍
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Again, bearing false witness.

Jim
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I think you are confused with what that means.

But Ok. Have it your way.

Having played the game on the Collegiate level with friends who are in and have been in the NFL. Having talked to people who personally know Tom Brady. Having seen and partaken in cheating myself. I BELIEVE with all my experience in and around football that

wait for it…

Tom Brady Cheated. Period.

Actually, having you invoke the ten commandments and the danger of mortal sin :rolleyes: In regards to a debate about cheating in the NFL and then rewriting my position… Actually strengthens it.

So, thank you for that correction and the opportunity to expand on the subject…😉
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I’d have no objection to someone saying they believed he cheated, then it’s just stating a opinion on an guess.

Saying, “he cheated period,” is a definitive judgment.

Without proof, its bearing false witness on the person.

Jim
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He cheated.

So did A Rod.

So did OJ (murder)
 
There is no evidence that Tom Brady cheated.

There are plenty of players in the NFL who defend Tom Brady.

So, judging another person based on lack of evidence, is indeed bearing false witness against one’s neighbor.

It’s akin to stating publicly that your neighbor cheats on his wife without ever having seen him do it, but going by gossip from people who have an ax to grind.

Just to be sure we understand;

THE EIGHTH COMMANDMENT

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.253
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It was said to the men of old, "You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn."254
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2464 The eighth commandment forbids misrepresenting the truth in our relations with others. This moral prescription flows from the vocation of the holy people to bear witness to their God who is the truth and wills the truth. Offenses against the truth express by word or deed a refusal to commit oneself to moral uprightness: they are fundamental infidelities to God and, in this sense, they undermine the foundations of the covenant.
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Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
There is no evidence that Tom Brady cheated.

There are plenty of players in the NFL who defend Tom Brady.

So, judging another person based on lack of evidence, is indeed bearing false witness against one’s neighbor.

It’s akin to stating publicly that your neighbor cheats on his wife without ever having seen him do it, but going by gossip from people who have an ax to grind.

Just to be sure we understand;

THE EIGHTH COMMANDMENT

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Jim
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I remember when I found out my hero was a no account two bit so and so too. It hurts. I loved MJ… I watched him growing up and idolized him. As I grew up I realized that he was kind of a bad guy…,… It took a lot of time for me to realize that and I spent a lot of time defending him. So I get it…
You are in pain. 😉

But lobbing mortal sin accusations when defending Brady is off base. And unwise considering the potential mortal sins of the actual subject who has committed several grave matters.

Brady was employed by an organization. His superiors and leaders in the organization have suspended him for cheating. So, he in fact is by definition a cheater. Now, he has the right to fight that and clear his name. Much like if I were fired or suspended for getting a DUI at a youth ministry retreat. For you to say there is no evidence is not only wrong, but you are condemning Goodell and others who have seen enough proof to take the stand they have. And claim to the public (you and me) that he is indeed a cheater. I can say Brady is a cheater until a court says that Goodell is wrong. That is what people are confusing about the whole legal process. It is not a criminal case where one must prove beyond a shadow of a doubt.
 
Also, full disclosure. I drafted Brady on two of my fantasy teams. In many mock drafts and in the two I participated in, Brady was available second round. So, in a two QB league, Drafting a QB( not Brady) first round and Drafting Brady second round is a good idea. Though you might get hosed on running backs the upside of a Brady draft is too good to pass up.
  1. Brady wins or reaches a settlement that reduces or eliminates his suspension.
  2. Brady serves a four game suspension and comes out absolutely on fire.
  3. Brady becomes valuable after week 5 when he is eligible to play allowing you to trade either QB you have for any other player you might need…
On one team I have P Manning and Brady, Doug Martin. On the other I have Luck, Brady, and Gronk…

hmmmmm
Going to be a good year methinks…
 
Hoosier Daddy
I remember when I found out my hero was a no account two bit so and so too. It hurts. I loved MJ… I watched him growing up and idolized him. As I grew up I realized that he was kind of a bad guy…,… It took a lot of time for me to realize that and I spent a lot of time defending him. So I get it…
You are in pain. 😉
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I don’t have idols.
But lobbing mortal sin accusations when defending Brady is off base. And unwise considering the potential mortal sins of the actual subject who has committed several grave matters.
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I’m not telling you that you’re committing mortal sin, just informing you that making false accusations against a person, it doesn’t matter if they’re celebrities or politicians, is against the 8th commandment.

For it to be a mortal sin, you’d have to have full knowledge of the sin, which you obviously don’t, and commit it with full consent.

So, whether or not calling a person a cheat is a mortal sin on your part is up to you and your confessor to discern.
Brady was employed by an organization. His superiors and leaders in the organization have suspended him for cheating.
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No they didn’t suspend him for cheating. They never found proof to charge him with cheating, just their own assumptions based on loose evidence. The report never says Brady Cheated, but merely that he was probably aware of what the ball handlers were doing. But then, they never proved the ball handlers deflated the balls either.

Also, the suspension wasn’t because of the footballs being under-inflated alone, but because he refused to turn his personal phone over to the Well’s investigators.

There is nothing in the NFL rules that mandates a player has to turn over personal conversations between private parties to the NFL, i.e. on his cell phone or through other means of communication.

The lack of proof and the inconsistency of how the NFL determines punishment is why they’re in court.

Anyway, its clear you don’t like Brady, but that’s not the issue here.

Accusing him of cheating without proof is and bearing false witness against a person is a sin.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Hoosier Daddy

I don’t have idols.

I’m not telling you that you’re committing mortal sin, just informing you that making false accusations against a person, it doesn’t matter if they’re celebrities or politicians, is against the 8th commandment.

For it to be a mortal sin, you’d have to have full knowledge of the sin, which you obviously don’t, and commit it with full consent.

So, whether or not calling a person a cheat is a mortal sin on your part is up to you and your confessor to discern.

No they didn’t suspend him for cheating. They never found proof to charge him with cheating, just their own assumptions based on loose evidence. The report never says Brady Cheated, but merely that he was probably aware of what the ball handlers were doing. But then, they never proved the ball handlers deflated the balls either.

Also, the suspension wasn’t because of the footballs being under-inflated alone, but because he refused to turn his personal phone over to the Well’s investigators.

There is nothing in the NFL rules that mandates a player has to turn over personal conversations between private parties to the NFL, i.e. on his cell phone or through other means of communication.

The lack of proof and the inconsistency of how the NFL determines punishment is why they’re in court.

Anyway, its clear you don’t like Brady, but that’s not the issue here.

Accusing him of cheating without proof is and bearing false witness against a person is a sin.
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And it is clear you are a fan.

And it is clear to his “bosses” that he indeed cheated. As do most if not all football players. So when the NFL (the league he plays for) says he cheated and suspended him for cheating (rules violation) conduct detrimental to the league or whatever. He broke the rules. That is indeed cheating.

Weird that you cant see that.

I like Brady enough as a player. I am not causing without proof. I am going by the League that he is employed by.

I’m curious do you believe he cheated? Do you believe the Pats cheated? Do you believe they have ever cheated?

I think I’ll skip the old confessional on this one old chap…

As for not liking him…

I have a do not draft list of players for fantasy football. Brady is not on it.
Peterson is on it, Rothlesburger is on it. Vick is on it Rice is on it… And the entire seahawks and Raiders organizations… But brady… Man, it was just a couple of pounds on the equipment, an edge, a stupid silly decision. Bottom line is who cares, lets play some football!!!

We wouldn’t even be in this situation had the league come down like they should have out of the gate, that week. Which probably would have handed the team I hate the most a SuperBowl victory. But it would have been the right thing to do.

bleacherreport.com/articles/2533330-time-for-brady-to-admit-he-cheated-and-save-the-nfl-from-a-civil-war

Here is an article for you to peruse…
 
Judge nullifies Tom Brady’s four-game suspension in DeflateGate case
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U.S. District Court Judge Richard M. Berman on Thursday nullified the four-game suspension given to New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady by the NFL over the DeflateGate case.
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At issue was whether NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell followed the rules set forth in the league’s collective bargaining agreement when he suspended Brady for four games and then upheld that suspension upon appeal. The league’s main argument was that Goodell had the right to punish Brady however he saw fit, based on the collective bargaining agreement, and that courts have long deferred to arbitrators when ruling on similar labor conflicts.
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It ain’t over according to legal experts if the NFL appeals the decision.

Personally, they should just let it rest.

This is a distraction and will be a smear on the NFL, more than the Patriots or Tom Brady.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
It ain’t over according to legal experts if the NFL appeals the decision.

Personally, they should just let it rest.

This is a distraction and will be a smear on the NFL, more than the Patriots or Tom Brady.

Jim
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:yyeess:

Suspension OVERTURNED!
 
grotto said:
🍿 Has anyone been able to video a “replay” of 13 footballs having an exact measurement of air being let out of each ball within 110 seconds? Just wondering…🍿
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No Proof! Get ready! Are you ready for some football? Its Monday night!! Hank W. Jr.
 
Very interesting…

Well, Drafting Brady just turned out well for me!
 
There are a total of 34 players suspended for hundreds of games before a snap even is taken this year. I wonder how this ruling will affect other cases. And about the timeline the NFL used in the Brady case. That is the NFL’s fault entirely. We are talking about something that happened in Jan/Feb of the 14 season. And it is getting resolved now!?

Blount should jump on this immediately. As well as the other 32 players who are suspended for a variety of evils.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
There are a total of 34 players suspended for hundreds of games before a snap even is taken this year. I wonder how this ruling will affect other cases. And about the timeline the NFL used in the Brady case. That is the NFL’s fault entirely. We are talking about something that happened in Jan/Feb of the 14 season. And it is getting resolved now!?

Blount should jump on this immediately. As well as the other 32 players who are suspended for a variety of evils.
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Heck, other players who committed criminal acts, were reinstated, yet Brady was suspended and Goodell couldn’t reach an agreement in the settlement talks ?

Goodell messed up with this, no two ways about it.

He should be replaced as NFL commissioner.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Heck, other players who committed criminal acts, were reinstated, yet Brady was suspended and Goodell couldn’t reach an agreement in the settlement talks ?

Goodell messed up with this, no two ways about it.

He should be replaced as NFL commissioner.

Jim
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Goodell messed up. Yes. But I think his positives outweigh his negatives. I like Goodell and what he has done for the league. I don’t think a “replacement” is in order. But a good public shaming… Well that is ok by me.
 
Well, the NFL is appealing the judges decision.

They are going to drag this out, only to end up with the same decision.

Is this good for the NFL ? No. Is it bad for Brady and the Patriots ? Yes, which could be the motivation behind the appeal. Screw with Brady and the Patriot players minds during the 2015-2016 season in order to keep them from playing 100%.

Goodell is a lousy commissioner and we’ll see him resigning at the end of the season to avoid being fired by the owners

Jim
 
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