Top 10 reasons women should dress modestly

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Catholic41506 said:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church on modesty in life, and modesty in dress:

2522 “Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one’s choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet.”
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…Annnnnd guess what, modesty of clothing is dependent on culture, lol, in case you hadn’t seen.
 
Catholic41506 said:
Not so much. This is akin to protestants taking verses from the Bible out of context and accusing Catholics of disobeying Christ by calling priests “father”.
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Well good thing it’s not a biblical quote. It’s in the catechism.
 
Catholic41506 said:
2522 “Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one’s choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet.”
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Its interesting that those of you who jump onto the “religious Modesty fanatic” bandwagon --keep leaving out CCC 2524.

Here is the explanation for you: So you can remember it.
Michelle Arnold
Catholic Answers Apologist
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Modesty is a virtue that encompasses more than clothing choice, although our clothing choices are a practical working out of the virtue of modesty. Modesty is defined by the Catechism of the Catholic Church (2522):
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Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one’s choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet.
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The Church does not mandate any one clothing choice for women – or for men, for that matter. According to the CCC (2524):
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The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man. It is born with the awakening consciousness of being a subject. Teaching modesty to children and adolescents means awakening in them respect for the human person.
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**So, while this family’s clothing choice is one modest option, it is not the only option **and should not be presented “the Marian way” of modest dress, as if this choice was the only clothing that would be approved for women by the Blessed Virgin Mary.
“If anyone comes to me, I want to lead them to Him.” --St. Edith Stein

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Catholic41506 said:
And guess what, your still trying to force something that isn’t there.
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It’s right here:
2524 The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man. It is born with the awakening consciousness of being a subject. Teaching modesty to children and adolescents means awakening in them respect for the human person.
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Edward_H said:
You miss so much. I no longer expect you follow the argument.
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holds up a mirror
Edward_H said:
Each human action I cited (controlling one’s mouth whether eating too much or shouting too much; or controlling one’s eyes) involves use or misuse of the will and the control over the body.
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The same could be said over the eyes. The same cannot be said for a person’s appearances because how something looks to another person is not within their responsibility.
 
This here is a post made by Michelle Arnold. She is an apologist here of CAF. Not to mention a very conservative Catholic.
Originally Posted by Michelle Arnold
Catholic Answers Apologist
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Modesty is a virtue that encompasses more than clothing choice, although our clothing choices are a practical working out of the virtue of modesty. Modesty is defined by the Catechism of the Catholic Church (2522):
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Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one’s choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet.
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The Church does not mandate any one clothing choice for women – or for men, for that matter. According to the CCC (2524):
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The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man. It is born with the awakening consciousness of being a subject. Teaching modesty to children and adolescents means awakening in them respect for the human person.
So, while this family’s clothing choice is one modest option, it is not the only option and should not be presented “the Marian way” of modest dress, as if this choice was the only clothing that would be approved for women by the Blessed Virgin Mary.
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Debora123 said:
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Catholic41506:
Not so much. This is akin to protestants taking verses from the Bible out of context and accusing Catholics of disobeying Christ by calling priests “father”.
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Well good thing it’s not a biblical quote. It’s in the catechism.
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You know Debora123 – this guy–would say our late Pope Blessed John Paul II —sent a bunch of people on the road to hell.
 
Debora123 said:
…Annnnnd guess what, modesty of clothing is dependent on culture, lol, in case you hadn’t seen.
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And in our culture - unlike some - not all - tribes in Africa - women don’t bare breasts.

Your “culture is all” argument is childish, and it’s relativist. By this I mean it’s not testable.

If you don’t understand what I mean by testable, you need to go take a class on the logic or the philosophy of science, or epistemology.
 
Catholic41506 said:
Why not walk around naked? Society continues to tell us that less clothes are better, to hell with what the Church says.
Why not start having sex outside of marriage. Sex is fun and it doesn’t matter what my wife says, she’s responsible for her own thoughts and feelings, not me. It doesn’t matter what I do as long as I AM HAPPY. ME, ME, ME. What I want, not what Christ wants or what His Church tells me, it is what makes me happy.

Trying to shop at Wal Mart tonight with my six year old son and having to constantly shield his eyes from the women who feel it is their right to flaunt their flesh however they want too.
I am done being charitable. Trash walks around showing their goodies, not a lady. God bless my wife, walking in the 80 degree heat with a full length skirt, long sleaves and a snood. That is a woman!

(BTW, in case you accuse the men of taking it easy, all the men in the family wear dress pants and polo shirts when exiting the home.)
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I hate seeing little Muslim girls covered up. Even Islam does not require that. Their parents are making their kids so aware of sin before they have to and of course teaching them early to see sin where there is none.

What lessons are you teaching your child? Certainly not about being charitable and Christlike. Calling someone trash just shows the kind of warped mentality you have.

You and wife, wear whatever you want. BTW snoods were worn in 16th century England too. Perhaps you would like your wife to follow completely the mode of dressing then. Oh horrors, no - Women then used to wear low cut gowns too!
 
Edward_H said:
And in our culture - unlike some - not all - tribes in Africa - women don’t bare breasts.

Your “culture is all” argument is childish, and it’s relativist. By this I mean it’s not testable.

If you don’t understand what I mean by testable, you need to go take a class on the logic or the philosophy of science, or epistemology.
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You need to quit passing the buck and work on yourself.
 
Edward_H said:
So your charity is limited to “an obviously insane person”

You don’t extend generosity to a person
who is sleepy, who shows laziness,
who has just had a bad day,
who can’t seem to control their eating,
whose father just died and now is not working hard at work,
who just had a miscarriage,
who had a hard upbringing
who is from an underprivileged environment.

You hold each to the same level of “no excuses” standards…despite their weaknesses and stumblings.
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Again, your false comparisons are downright appalling both logically and morally. Stop acting like an authority on moral theology. This is downright ridiculous.

Do you extend generosity to:

Thieves?
Bandits?
Rapists?
Murderers?
Bullies?
Tyrants?
Abusers?

That’s the kind of crowd where shallow people belong. They do not deserve the sort of sympathy for the kind of people you cited as an example. The charity you can give them is not the charity of the wishy-washy variety but the charity of hard discipline and iron justice.

Honestly, when people find my sexual weaknesses and call me a pervert, the only defense I allow myself is that I admit it and say I am not proud of such weaknesses.
 
Edward_H said:
And in our culture - unlike some - not all - tribes in Africa - women don’t bare breasts.
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I know this. That’s my point. That in THIS culture, yes, it would be wrong to bear breasts in public. But in theirs, it is not. Hence the cultural factor.
Your “culture is all” argument is childish, and it’s relativist. By this I mean it’s not testable.
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That’s exactly what modesty of dress is. It’s all relative. Why do you think the church purposely didn’t put set standards and restrictions to dress by? What would have been considered scandalous centuries ago, ankles, are not considered scandalous anymore. When it comes to modesty, it IS relevant. That’s why the catechism specifically says modesty varies from one culture to another:

Section 2524 - The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another.
If you don’t understand what I mean by testable, you need to go take a class on the logic or the philosophy of science, or epistemology.
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I don’t know what you mean, but i don’t need a class. The Church makes it quite clear that modesty is relevant to culture. I have no questions.
 
Catholic41506 said:
From Wikipedia:

Catholics are expected to dress modestly,[8] The wearing of a headcovering was for the first time mandated as a universal rule for the Latin Rite by the Code of Canon Law of 1917,[9] which code was abrogated by the advent of the present (1983) Code of Canon Law,.[10] Apart from that, there have never been any “official” guidelines issued by the Catholic Church. But, from time to time the Church hierarchy, and even some popes, have given opinions on various matters; although these “guidelines” are not binding on Catholics, many tradition-minded Catholics find them persuasive.[11] Pope Pius XII stated that women should cover their upper arms and shoulders, that their skirts should cover at least as far as the knee, and the neckline should not reveal anything.[12] Another example is Giuseppe Cardinal Siri of Genoa, who stated that trousers were unacceptable dress for women.[13] Many tradition-minded Catholics have attempted to further expand on this latter standard.[14]Some Catholics have attempted to form cohesive theories of modesty. Sometimes this is from a sociological perspective,[12] while at other times it takes a more systematic, Thomistic approach, combined with the writings of the Church Fathers.[15] Approaches arguing primarily from traditional practices and traditional authorities, such as the saints, can also be found.[16]

The Church also expects men to dress modestly, but the demands are not as strict for them as for women; this is largely because men are often thought to be more inherently susceptible to sexual thoughts.

Pay special attention to the red. Those placed in authority over us have spoken over, and over, and over again about dress. Does the pope really need to declare an infallible statement that should be common sense in order to get people to listen?
If you truly believe that our Church accepts the culture of today, simply read any statement from the Holy Father over the last five years or so. We are continually fighting the culture because it is corrupt.
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Please pay attention to your own quote. “Opinions”! Why quote Wiki?
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Finally, your capacity (or lack of it) to make reasonable comparisons shows itself.
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You really make a living writing?

“Your capacity…to make comparisons shows itself” ?

Is that really the best way to phrase your point?
 
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