Top 10 reasons women should dress modestly

[Art321]

Uh, no it does not. I don’t see anything pertaining to clothes anywhere whereas another part of the CCC specifically states that forms of modesty vary.

Here it is not so specific. It does not specify the exact, physical nature of what is to be hidden. What so special about a woman’s shoulders that it should be hidden? What about knees? Ankles?

The only thing “special” is a fictional value placed upon by perverts. Honestly, repeating your argument is not going to get you anywhere.

Who are you to say that God is a fashion critic? To say so would be a direct contradiction 1 Samuel 16:7. I once said that I thought only the Devil was a fashion critic (she wears Prada after all).

I never said anything about a woman’s shoulders,knees, or ankles that should be hidden. The CCC doesn’t say anything about any specific clothes but rather a general of what modesty in dress is. Again, modesty does differ from one culture to another and it also changes with time. I am not denying that.

One just has to fill in the blanks and see from where it says it protects the intimate center of the person and it guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.

One can see from above that clothing such as miniskirts and short shorts that they are immodest.

Also you give me 1 Samuel 16:7 as a point in your agrument that modesty in dress doesn’t matter at all. At least that is what I am getting from you. To prove to you that God is often offended by such sexual appealing clothes, I quote Sacra Propediem from 1921 by Pope Benedict XV.

“One can not sufficiently deplore the blindness of so many women of every age and station. Made foolish by a desire to please, they do not see to what degree the indecency of their clothing shocks every honest man and offends God. Most of them would formerly have blushed for such apparel as for a grave fault against Christian modesty. Now it does not suffice to exhibit themselves on public thoroughfares; they do not fear to cross the threshold of churches, to assist at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and even to bear the seducing food of shameful passions to the Eucharistic Table, where one receives the Heavenly Author of Purity.”

 

[wynnejj]

I completely disagree. She wore what was standard at the time, and so I would assume she’d wear what is standard today. If anyone showed up to the beach like that, they’d draw negative attention to themselves and get a lot of stares.

So if everyone showed up nude, then…

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I enjoy meeting with a group of conservative Catholics after daily mass. They discuss modesty and feel that women should not wear miniskirts, short shorts or bikinis. I have never seen them be disrespectful to a woman based on how they are dressed. They are always polite and are true gentlemen. Just because they think a woman is dressed inappropriately doesn’t mean they treat that woman any differently than they would a more modestly dressed woman.

Those men aren’t the ones posting here defending the Party of Modesty’s shallow standards. Also, just because they’re polite does not make them less guilty of putting too much stock on physical attire.

They have also discussed dressing modestly for mass. There are woman that were spaghetti strapped shirts that are low cut. How do you think a tall EM feels when serving them? They have to look down and it can be very distracting. Is this fair to the priest? It is not what they want to see in mass or anywhere else. They are human.

That has more to do with context. It is context that causes clothes to draw attention, not really the clothes themselves. You don’t see priests hanging around the mall too often so therefore, it can be reasonable to assume that they would notice something that contrasts with the context they are familiar with (church, mass etc).

On miniskirts, I could never wear one. I have worn a dress as short as the one Debra has in her profile. BTW beautiful wedding pictures. But that is for a short period of time when I am going to special events. Where I will be mostly sitting or standing. How do you wear a miniskirt in the day without showing your panties? I am a little hyperactive and I could not sit still all day with my legs cross. I am cleaning, moving around, picking things up. In and out of the car. I would be so uncomfortable worried that I was constantly flashing guys. Shorts are much more comfortable.

Yet you have people who think even shorts are immodest. Besides, if more women beat up guys for being perverts, you wouldn’t have to worry about them looking at you in places you don’t want. (You’d also put a quicker to sexism too.)

Gym outfits. I train with mostly men. You should hear how they talk and view women. They take zumba classes just to shop for women. Do you want to have a skimpy outfit on while a guy is watching you jump around? They are not just viewing you and think wow she is really pretty. We are an oversexed country. Sex in every TV show., song or commercial. Using sex to sell everything.

They’re just as shallow as the Party of Modesty. They’re the Party of Sex. They only see appearances and care not for the person within. I wouldn’t be surprised if these same guys you talk about would make fun of me for being so geeky, skinny, and scrawny. Studs like them make me sick as much as condescending preachers of modesty do.

I don’t think the woman is responsible for the man’s sins but do you want to be someone’s sexual fantasy?

Do I want to be in someone’s fantasy where a muslce-bound bozo beats me up for my lunch money? Of course not. However, you’re not the one creating the fantasy. It’s the guy and you have every right to confront him about it.

 

[Debora123]

On miniskirts, I could never wear one. I have worn a dress as short as the one Debra has in her profile. BTW beautiful wedding pictures. But that is for a short period of time when I am going to special events. Where I will be mostly sitting or standing. How do you wear a miniskirt in the day without showing your panties? I am a little hyperactive and I could not sit still all day with my legs cross. I am cleaning, moving around, picking things up. In and out of the car. I would be so uncomfortable worried that I was constantly flashing guys. Shorts are much more comfortable.

Thanks for the compliment. Some here would say my wedding dress is extremely immodest (heaven forbid exposing a shoulder).

My miniskirts are about the same length as that green dress. My shorts are actually way shorter than my mini skirts. They have to be, otherwise I’d look ridiculous, given my physique.

To answer your question, I wear mini skirts when I want to stay cool but look a little nicer at the same time. I usually wear them when I go to the high end outdoor mall we have here and it’s 80’s or 90’s outside… or I’ll wear my jean one when my husband and I are on a date and go for a walk around the park or something and I wanna look a little nicer.

…Stuff like that. I don’t mind crossing my legs when I sit, I guess I’m just used to it. I can see how the underwear can be exposed if I was bending over cleaning up around the house or something, but considering my husband and I live alone, I’m sure the exposure would be a good thing.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I never said anything about a woman’s shoulders,knees, or ankles that should be hidden. The CCC doesn’t say anything about any specific clothes but rather a general of what modesty in dress is. Again, modesty does differ from one culture to another and it also changes with time. I am not denying that.

That is not a general idea of what modesty in dress is. If you insist on it being about physical appearances your quote is not enough.

One just has to fill in the blanks and see from where it says it protects the intimate center of the person and it guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.

Fill in the blanks? Sorry but that just simply translates to self-interpretation. I try to avoid that with the Catechism thank you very much.

One can see from above that clothing such as miniskirts and short shorts that they are immodest.

No because they don’t show anything that are not supposed to be shown. I don’t see a person’s dark secrets in their legs. A person’s thighs do not contain their bank account number.

Also you give me 1 Samuel 16:7 as a point in your agrument that modesty in dress doesn’t matter at all. At least that is what I am getting from you. To prove to you that God is often offended by such sexual appealing clothes, I quote Sacra Propediem from 1921 by Pope Benedict XV.

Yet you have another Pope approving pants despite the existence of Traditionalist circles today that disapprove of them and say the same thing as Pope Benedict XV about them.

If different Popes can have different opinions about what form is indecent and offensive then that by itself blows up all credibility they have as consistent fashion critics.

 

[Debora123]

One can see from above that clothing such as miniskirts and short shorts that they are immodest.

Exactly how do you come up with that conclusion? And what do you consider “short shorts?”

 

[Debora123]

So if everyone showed up nude, then…

Nude is not normal. Not to mention it’s illegal.

 

[wynnejj]

I suppose minimal attire would at least be a fig leaf…

 

[cviolette]

Thanks for the compliment. Some here would say my wedding dress is extremely immodest (heaven forbid exposing a shoulder).

My miniskirts are about the same length as that green dress. My shorts are actually way shorter than my mini skirts. They have to be, otherwise I’d look ridiculous, given my physique.

To answer your question, I wear mini skirts when I want to stay cool but look a little nicer at the same time. I usually wear them when I go to the high end outdoor mall we have here and it’s 80’s or 90’s outside… or I’ll wear my jean one when my husband and I are on a date and go for a walk around the park or something and I wanna look a little nicer.

…Stuff like that. I don’t mind crossing my legs when I sit, I guess I’m just used to it. I can see how the underwear can be exposed if I was bending over cleaning up around the house or something, but considering my husband and I live alone, I’m sure the exposure would be a good thing.

I wouldn’t wear sleeveless to a regular mass but it is your wedding dress and it should be the perfect dress that the bride wants. And it is a beautiful, classy dress.

I have 4 teenagers. I not only have my teenage boys 15, 16 and 18 at home but they usually have a couple friends over. So with a house full of teenage boys, I watch what I wear. So exposures are fine for you but not so much for me

 

[wynnejj]

Nude is not normal. Not to mention it’s illegal.

You forgot to put the word NOW on the end of each sentence. So if it were normal and legal …

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I wouldn’t wear sleeveless to a regular mass but it is your wedding dress and it should be the perfect dress that the bride wants. And it is a beautiful, classy dress.

I have 4 teenagers. I not only have my teenage boys 15, 16 and 18 at home but they usually have a couple friends over. So with a house full of teenage boys, I watch what I wear. So exposures are fine for you but not so much for me

It’s funny. My sister’s boyfriend hangs around guys like that and he’s terrified of his own mother because of how strong she is. :\

 

[Debora123]

Ohhhhhhh boy.

Teaching little baby girls from an early age that their bodies are occasions of sin that must be covered up from knee to neckline… even when swimming

modestswimwearsolutions.com/swimsuitpictures.htm

It must take a real pervert to thnk that it is immodest for baby girls to be less covered up than what is shown above. When I was 3 year old I was running around the beach in just my bottom piece, haha.

Interesting thing - the site contains no “modest swimwear” (or whatever they are) for men.

 

[Debora123]

You forgot to put the word NOW on the end of each sentence. So if it were normal and legal …

As there is nothing wrong with nakedness in itself, then there would be nothing wrong with going to the beach naked if it was the normal, appropriate thing to do. But that is never going to happen in the western world.

I am sure there are more indigenous cultures around the world where the people bathe completely naked together in lakes or whatever, and we can’t sit here and say they are being sinful and scandalous if it’s just part of their culture.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Ohhhhhhh boy.

Teaching little baby girls from an early age that their bodies are occasions of sin that must be covered up from knee to neckline… even when swimming

modestswimwearsolutions.com/swimsuitpictures.htm

It must take a real pervert to thnk that it is immodest for baby girls to be less covered up than what is shown above. When I was 3 year old I was running around the beach in just my bottom piece, haha.

I would say that a kid’s voice is more sinful (and that’s only on high volume).

 

[Debora123]

If Mary was living in contemporary America today, this is what I suspect she would wear:

modestswimwearsolutions.com/

It just makes good sense.

Funny you should post this because I’ve seen it before. My good friend Brad (best man at my wedding), came across it randomly one time and showed it to me while laughing his head off at the ridiculousness of it.

 

[Debora123]

I would say that a kid’s voice is more sinful (and that’s only on high volume).

If you go to the second page you will see a TWO year old wearing one of those things. I kid you not, a TWO year old. Good heavens.

 

[cviolette]

Those men aren’t the ones posting here defending the Party of Modesty’s shallow standards. Also, just because they’re polite does not make them less guilty of putting too much stock on physical attire.

I don’t have a problem with having standards. As long as, they don’t view the person poorly when they do not meet what they think is appropriate. I was pretty much a mess when I joined the group. And far from modest and doing some sinful things. They have been the best thing to happen to me. I feel safe and happy in their group.

That has more to do with context. It is context that causes clothes to draw attention, not really the clothes themselves. You don’t see priests hanging around the mall too often so therefore, it can be reasonable to assume that they would notice something that contrasts with the context they are familiar with (church, mass etc).

I added that part to show that it is important to think about how you dress for mass. Woman should be more considerate when in Church.

Yet you have people who think even shorts are immodest. Besides, if more women beat up guys for being perverts, you wouldn’t have to worry about them looking at you in places you don’t want. (You’d also put a quicker to sexism too.)

There certainly are shorts that are too short. But I think short length is dependent on body type. I have glutes, hamstrings and quads and would not wear real short shorts.

I have had unwanted attention of men. It is not that easy to fight them off. I was stalked by a police officer. He knew just how to make me uncomfortable (with the help of two friends) without crossing the line where I could report him. He eventually lost his job for exchanging sex for letting female offenders off.

As long as the secular society is pushing NSA sex as the norm, perverts are the norm. Boys are exposed to porn at young ages and it affects their view of women.

They’re just as shallow as the Party of Modesty. They’re the Party of Sex. They only see appearances and care not for the person within. I wouldn’t be surprised if these same guys you talk about would make fun of me for being so geeky, skinny, and scrawny. Studs like them make me sick as much as condescending preachers of modesty do.

The Party of Sex is way bigger than the Party of Modesty. In fact, there are men that pretend to be the Party of Modesty while they are card carrying members of the Party of Sex. The guys that I am thinking about aren’t bullies. Just perverts.

Do I want to be in someone’s fantasy where a muslce-bound bozo beats me up for my lunch money? Of course not. However, you’re not the one creating the fantasy. It’s the guy and you have every right to confront him about it.

Well, they don’t stare at you and make you feel naked. Or make perverted remarks to you. Or do things in private while thinking about you. There are bullies in the world but there are far more men that are just oversexed because of the world we live in. And women add to it by how they act and dress, myself included.

 

[wynnejj]

So when you finally run the questioning down to the end of the line, the modesty relativists on this thread can see saintly people on this Earth running around naked in public places if considered socially acceptable without even a fig leaf for the modern Adam & Eve to hide their shame. That is the extrapolation of the fashion trend, is it not? Nothing immodest about it, right? We must be coming into end times, because we’ve come full circle with the Adam & Eve fashion statement.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Well, they don’t stare at you and make you feel naked. Or make perverted remarks to you. Or do things in private while thinking about you. There are bullies in the world but there are far more men that are just oversexed because of the world we live in. And women add to it by how they act and dress, myself included.

Indeed, they made me feel worthless and nobody gave two cents about me which is still just as bad. I’m just saying that just because there’s more of one type of bad guy doesn’t make the things that make them awful any more worse.

 

[Debora123]

So when you finally run the questioning down to the end of the line, the modesty relativists on this thread can see saintly people on this Earth running around naked in public places if considered socially acceptable without even a fig leaf for the modern Adam & Eve to hide their shame.

FACT - Modesty IS relative. Relative to time, place, culture, function, etc etc… you cannot deny that.

FACT - Ever heard of Saint Francis of Assisi? Nuff said.

FACT - People DO run around naked in the cultures where doing so is appropriate. And I would doubt even YOU think them scandalous for it.

That is the extrapolation of the fashion trend, is it not?

To be naked? Uhhhh, no. Being naked in public around here is illegal.

Nothing immodest about it, right?

About public nudity? Obviously in this culture it is immodest. But not in all.

We must be coming into end times, because we’ve come full circle with the Adam & Eve fashion statement.

Have we? I dunno buddy, I don’t recall seeing anyone walking around the street in the nude… unless you’ve seen something different?