Toronto Catholic School Board Pro-Gay Harassment Policy Threatens Priests

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If you think this is bad, I can tell you some real horror stories from the “Catholic” schools here in Canada…
 
I think that is a bit much and discriminates against catholic beliefs.

I saw a docco a while ago about a Canadian boy who was gay and when to a catholic school, he wanted to take his boyfriend to the “prom”. Obviously the school told him that he could not do that, so he ultimatly took them to court. He won the case and went to the “prom” with his boyfriend.

All through the docco it was stated that the school were denying him his rights and “picking on” him for his sexual preference. Not once did he or any other person consider that they were denying the school its rights to not encourage what they consider a sin that could ultimatly effect their afterlife.

I was actually quite discusted with this child for treating the school so offensivly even after they allowed him to go there and didnt harass him because of his sexual preference (he had been “out” for a couple of years and the school was aware of this).

They simply asked him to respect their beliefs and wishes and not take his boyfriend to a school function.
 
To paraphrase Sir Walter Scott, “Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first the Catholic catechism we refuse to believe.”
 
Elric said:
I think that is a bit much and discriminates against catholic beliefs.

I saw a docco a while ago about a Canadian boy who was gay and when to a catholic school, he wanted to take his boyfriend to the “prom”. Obviously the school told him that he could not do that, so he ultimatly took them to court. He won the case and went to the “prom” with his boyfriend.

All through the docco it was stated that the school were denying him his rights and “picking on” him for his sexual preference. Not once did he or any other person consider that they were denying the school its rights to not encourage what they consider a sin that could ultimatly effect their afterlife.

I was actually quite discusted with this child for treating the school so offensivly even after they allowed him to go there and didnt harass him because of his sexual preference (he had been “out” for a couple of years and the school was aware of this).

They simply asked him to respect their beliefs and wishes and not take his boyfriend to a school function.
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I remember that as I was living in Ontario at the time. His name is Marc Hall and I find him very arrogant.
 
I guess Canada does not believe in seperation of Church and state, or if they do they certaintly aren’t following it. How sad.
 
Elric said:
I think that is a bit much and discriminates against catholic beliefs.

I saw a docco a while ago about a Canadian boy who was gay and when to a catholic school, he wanted to take his boyfriend to the “prom”. Obviously the school told him that he could not do that, so he ultimatly took them to court. He won the case and went to the “prom” with his boyfriend.

All through the docco it was stated that the school were denying him his rights and “picking on” him for his sexual preference. Not once did he or any other person consider that they were denying the school its rights to not encourage what they consider a sin that could ultimatly effect their afterlife.

I was actually quite discusted with this child for treating the school so offensivly even after they allowed him to go there and didnt harass him because of his sexual preference (he had been “out” for a couple of years and the school was aware of this).

They simply asked him to respect their beliefs and wishes and not take his boyfriend to a school function.
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This happened in Toronto a few years ago. In fact, there was a move made not long ago (by the CBC I think) about this case, portraying the student as some sort of hero while the evil and corrupt Church tried to surpress him.

The courts ruled in his favor for a very simple reason- the Catholic school system in Canada is government-funded. He who pays the piper picks the tune.
I guess Canada does not believe in seperation of Church and state, or if they do they certaintly aren’t following it. How sad.
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The dual school system has been in the Canadian constitution since 1867. The Catholic minority in English-Canada complained that the schools were too Protestant, while the Protestant minority in French-Canada complained that the schools were too Catholic, so the government established two school boards- the Catholic Schools and the Protestant (now the Public) Schools.

The Catholic schools have been ruined through government funding. Religious education is extremely poor, and often in errorl teachers openly criticize the Church before their classes ; false historical information about the Church is taught. Non-Catholic students are allowed, and exempted from religion classes (not that they would learn anything, but still…) and Mass (which is only a couple times a year).

The Church has absolutely no power over the schools anymore.
 
Caesar said:
This happened in Toronto a few years ago. In fact, there was a move made not long ago (by the CBC I think) about this case, portraying the student as some sort of hero while the evil and corrupt Church tried to surpress him.
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It was CTV.
 
I’m not sure how many of the religious are involved in the Catholic school system there but…

Sounds to me like all the priest and nun and all other religious need to drop their association with the Catholic schools in Canada. That would go a long way toward showing just what they think of those policies. The schools also need to be stripped of their Catholic name.
 
Sabda said:
I’m not sure how many of the religious are involved in the Catholic school system there but…

Sounds to me like all the priest and nun and all other religious need to drop their association with the Catholic schools in Canada. That would go a long way toward showing just what they think of those policies. The schools also need to be stripped of their Catholic name.
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The Pope predicted that the Church would be significantly smaller! He’s a prophet of God.
 
bones_IV said:
The Pope predicted that the Church would be significantly smaller! He’s a prophet of God.
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Yep, and it sounds like we are well on our way. It will be good for the Church to be purged of this stuff.
 
It seems consistent with the recent USCCB statement stuck to the top somewhere on CAF.

All the policy mentions is covered into the parts about not making same-gender preference people any less of a person, which some people are apt to do. Doing that in the forms stated is a form of harassment.
 
This is very sad. It reminds me of the situation in Liverpool. A headmaster “married” his homosexual lover. The Catholic church was informed that the new government laws made it impossible to fire him. Also there is the situation of Peter Phillips, son of Princess Royal and Autumn Kelly, who has been told that he has to renounce any claim to the throne (he is 10th in line in succession) if he wants to marry his Catholic girlfriend. But he could marry a Muslim or Hindu without a problem.
 
A lot of the Catholic schools in Canada are publicly funded though. They aren’t private. I know it creates a huge debate about “human rights” and “the church”.

I know Mark Hall’s parents supported Mark throughout the ordeal, but then I wonder why they put him in Catholic school? I know they have their faith…

Personally, I often wonder what would happen if my own children ( don’t have any yet but hope to soon ), went to Catholic school and turned out to be gay. How would they feel at that school? I would want them to respect the 10 commandments, but at the same time I would want them and their peers to be respected and treated the same as anywhere else.
 
In Australia, Christian schools have the right not to hire anyne who isn’t of their beliefs. ie. catholics schools can openly deny an atheist employment solely on those grounds. Also Cardinal Pell also said that in future all catholic schools will give all spots to catholic children first. And refuse or kickout any non catholics or catholics who don’t want to follow their teachings. So from now on, the only non catholics going to catholics schools will have to wait n see if there is a spot open for them first… If not too bad c ya later scum… And there is not a thing anyone can do about. Why can they do it? One reason Australia has no bill of rights. So it isn’t tied down to some document that makes them slaves. like other countries do… Thank God
 
“I often wonder what would happen if my own children ( don’t have any yet but hope to soon ), went to Catholic school and turned out to be gay. How would they feel at that school?”

Dear Sina, I would hope any child would be treated with the respect God wants.

However, your posting implies that being gay is a trait like being tall or short, something people have no control over. I would question that. Just a few days ago, there was an article about gay activist Roberta Sklar talking about the women she knew who had a fluid sexuality, women who have affairs with both sexes. If sexuality is fluid, it is not fixed.

Many historians of ancient Rome have pointed out that of the men whose lives we can study, we find many instances of bisexuality, but none of homosexuality. Of the emperors, as I recall, only Claudius was heterosexual. All the others were bisexual.

Again, this argues for a fluid sexuality.
 
I saw nothing in the article that indicated that the board policy was in any way contrary to Catholic doctrine. The policy was put in place to protect the dignity and privacy of students, teachers, administrators and other staff.
As for the Archbishop of Toronto having any effect on the board and its policy, please note that in Ontario the Roman Catholic School Boards exist as separate entities from the dioceses which they serve. They are completely separate and independant of ecclesiastic authority.
As for the young man who wanted to go to the prom with his friend: what’s it to you or anyone else who he goes with? To deny him is to accuse him of acts which the school would not dream of accusing the heterosexual students. They were clearly overstepping the bounds of reasonable caution.

Matthew
 
drafdog said:
As for the young man who wanted to go to the prom with his friend: what’s it to you or anyone else who he goes with? To deny him is to accuse him of acts which the school would not dream of accusing the heterosexual students. They were clearly overstepping the bounds of reasonable caution.

Matthew
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Like it or not, to cathloics homosexuallity is a sin and immoral.

Would you go to a Jewish held function with a leg of ham?

Would you go to a Muslim function with a six pack?

Or would you respect their beliefs, even if they conflicted with your own?

If I was going to someones home who was opposed to and boycotting Mc Donalds, I wouldnt dream of picking some up on the way there and eating Mc Donalds at their home. That would be disrespecting that person and their beliefs.

This line doesnt really make much sense:

“To deny him is to accuse him of acts which the school would not dream of accusing the heterosexual students”

Of course the school wouldnt dream of accusing the hetrosexual students, because they are not homosexual and trying to flaunt their homosexuallity.

It came down to a matter of respect and that boy chose not to respect his schools beliefs, but chose to completly disrespect them and frankly spit in their collective faces.
 
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