Toxic effeminacy kills the Boy Scouts

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Not that I disagree with the problem with toxic effeminacy, as a young man who before coming Home was very much a part of that whole thing, and am therefore very unhappy with our culture encouraging it. But there is a wonderful Catholic scouting group, which is for boys and girls, called (depending on the continent) the Federation of North American Explorers, and the Federation of Scouts of Europe, started by Ven. Jacques Sevin, SJ.


I had the privilege of going on a hike with a group of them last year, whose chaplain is a priest from a monastery I was visiting. Another priest was visiting, who had a special leadership role in the Federation, and he explained to me about them and their mission, “to build the City of God on earth.” They not only struck me as one of the most well-behaved group of kids, but they all were friends with each other and with the adults, they were happy, joking around and having fun, and made intelligent conversation. I was never much into scouting myself, but I support them!

 
Lets be honest, the United States has become feminine in nature.

Males in the work place walk on eggshells, worrying if a female co-worker will be offended somehow and report him to HR.

Lawsuits for sexual harassment, justified by many just wanting to be part of the #metoo movement by others, just to be part of the crowd getting attention.

Sexual harassment in the US Armed Forces at an all time high. Gee, for those who served in the US military, how is it we knew this would happen long before they recruited women to serve in male combat units ?

Then we have women complaining about the stress of being single mothers trying to hold down a job and raise a couple of kids, but they don’t get paid as much as their mail coworkers and want the government bureaucrats to control it.

I probably should say anything, being from a generation which is considered sexist, racists and homophobic.

So, I’ll just sit back and watch from here on. 😉

Jim
 
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The NASA Gemini missions - only two of the crew were males. Of course, it was a two-person capsule.
 
So re: the OP, I consider the Boy Scout leadership to be, themselves, led by the devil.

Ditto for Disney, among many others.
 
Not sure about the US, but here in Australia ‘Scout Master’ is almost as much a cue for jokes about paedophilia as ‘Catholic priest’ is.

I suspect there are far bigger issues than alleged or real feminisation accounting for the current woes of both Scouting and the Church.
 
Mattapoisett64 said:
I believe there’s a parallel: the YMCA’s were forced to go co-ed, and now exist largely as lite health clubs that have courses (at least around here) in baby-sitting, Pilates, yoga, etc. Swimming pools, steam, weight rooms, etc., largely shut down. The YWCA’s, on the other hand, remain all-female. And don’t get me started on female reporters in male locker rooms. The pattern seems to be that boys / men aren’t allowed “their” space, while women are.
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This is an interesting point. By any standard, this is a double standard. The activists are never pressed on this by most journalists. It’s never questioned.
 
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When the BSA started accepting openly homosexual scoutmasters that was the last straw for me. Campouts? Really? Like letting heterosexual men go on campouts with adolescent girls. Yeah, right.
 
Escabrosa said:
I thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail in 2015 and met plenty of young ladies who were not handicapped by the hiking. I averaged around 15 miles a day, and some of the younger ladies were doing more than that. However I did see weekend groups of teenagers where the girls weren’t keeping up with the boys
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No doubt about it. Young ladies in their 20s can and do hold their own. I started in the scouts in the sixth grade. At that age, it would be tough for the girls. I can only go by what my experiences were though. I was in a real serious no nonsense troop. In other troops, it might have worked out just fine for the girls, I can’t say.

I would like to add though, that scouting is good for kids, boys and girls. The things I learned in scouting have helped me throughout my life. I can’t speak highly enough for it.
 
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i live in an urban (suburban) NE USA state

4H is very active here; some of my nieces & nephews participate…
 
AndrewAxland said:
I felt a bit insulted by the “arts and crafts” stuff at the Boy Scouts, like Pinebox Derby and whittling an Indians head out of a piece of wood.
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Yeah me too. I remember I had to make one of those awful baskets one summer at scout camp. I never liked crafts. At the end of camp, I filled my horrible strange looking basket with rocks and threw it in the river!
 
A society where flower arranging is considered masculine would end up arranging flowers for societies where men engage in traditionally masculine pursuits such as training to bring fire and fury upon their enemies.
 
I was a very involved boy scout in the 1970s. Went on countless camping trips including the National Jamboree. My 3 brothers were also. My experience with Scouts as a child was great.

My son finished his Eagle Scout in 8th grade,. My other son was also in Scouting for 4 years. I volunteered as an Assistant Scoutmaster for many years, went to all the meetings and camp-outs, about 8 per year, including 2 weeks a year at summer camp. I quit 3 years ago.

Would I recommend Scouting to other parents? NO

We went through 3 troupes. I thought each time it was just a problem with the specific troupe. In each of the troupes there was problems with older boys corrupting younger boys.
The problem is with how the Boy Scouts have Scouts who are as young as 4th grade mixed with high school teenagers.
The way Boy Scouts is set up the older boys take on the leadership of the troupe. Unfortunately in today’s society 16 and 17 year old boys are dealing with porn, hooking up etc. Some also have same sex attraction which, in school, they are encouraged to celebrate. Would you have a 17 year old boy share a tent with an 11-17 year old girl? Then why do we not see the danger when both are the same gender?

The Boy Scouts have good guidelines for making sure no adult is alone with a child. However, they have yet to address older (teenage) boys being alone with younger boys. Abuse statistics show that abuse at the hands of an older minor is not uncommon.

The summer camps were especially difficult. There is no way I would send my kid to overnight camps without myself being there. Teenagers are confused sexually and exploring. Some are victims of abuse themselves and I have seen to many instances of the older boys drawing the younger ones into inappropriate behavior…

At the last summer camp I attended one boy in our troupe was making lude comments, jokes and gestures to the 4th grade Scouts. And I mean extremely lude stuff. Two other Scouts were caught showing another Scout how to do something sinful. One boy disappeared during the night and spent a night at a different troupe’s campsite. And the troupe camped next to ours had a group of 16 and 17 year old Scouts tenting together who would be up till 3 in the morning doing lude things together. This was at just one camp out.

You may not want to believe this stuff happens in your kid’s troupe, but it is widespread. The combination of kids feeling they can act out because their parents are not present and the structure of an organization which puts the teens in charge of younger kids is an outdated model in today’s dangerous culture.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
The fact of the matter is that “Girl Scouts” aren’t really the same at all, and there really isn’t a similar program for them.
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This.

I just spent some time on the Girl Sout website. Their approach is a total turn-off for me and for my daughters.
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Our patrol leader said: “We want to do the same thing as the boys. We want to be girl scouts.” Baden-Powell said: “That’s impossible, this is only for the boys.”

We thought he was going to send us away but in the end he said: “I’ll think about it.”
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They didn’t say, “We want our own separate and unaffiliated program that has completely different goals and methods.” They said, “We want to do the same thing as the boys.” That’s what he gave them. Their own space to follow the same program as the boys. Girls want to be challenged and learn to camp and start a fire and earn rank and do orienteering and pioneering. Girls, too, can benefit from all these things. Girl Scouts does not provide this sort of a program and girls deserve better.

Interesting fact that I learned recently from the head of the local Boy Scout council: The US and Saudi Arabia are the only countries with scouting that have completely different organizations and programs for boys and girls? Most have a single organization and a single program with boys divisions and girls divisions. If that is truly what BSA hopes to accomplish, I am all for this.

Check out the International Union of Guides and Scouts. Traditional Scouting, single organization and single program, yet still separated by sex.

 
Well considering that the Girl Scouts have completely lost their mind, this may not be such a bad idea.
 
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eresting fact that I learned recently from the head of the local Boy Scout council: The US and Saudi Arabia are the only countries with scouting that have completely different organizations and programs for boys and girls? Most have a single organization and a single program with boys divisions and girls divisions. If that is truly what BSA hopes to accomplish, I am all for this. end quote.

Sorry, but whoever told you this is a bit confused.

I was involved in Girl Guides in the UK for over 25 years. Girl Guides is actually what was set up by Baden-Powell following the Crystal Palace Rally, as he worried that parents of that time did not want their daughters to be ‘hooligans’ and so would not have let them join if they were not separate from the boys’ organisation. He asked his sister Agnes to organise these new Girl Guides, who were named after the resourceful guides he had met on his various army duties.

So in the UK and other countries of the former Empire or the present Commonwealth, Guides are the equivalent of the US ‘Girl Scouts’. If you google ‘Girl Guides’ or GirlguidingUK, or WAGGGS( World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts) you will get a vastly different result from that of your informant.

What your informant has confused is where Girl Scouts are and where Girl Guides are. Girl Guides are separate and girl-specific so that girls can lead, and also that parents can be happy to send their daughters there, for example, in areas where Muslims are the majority.
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My youngest son was a scout until last year, when he grew into other interests.
Fully co-ed troop, co-ed leaders, same program regardless of gender. Very family friendly and with active parent involvement, if you’re into woodlandcrafts and outdoor skills.

I don’t see what’s so complicated.
 
Theo520 said:
4H isn’t an option to most, you have to live very rural.
Stop making this an either or discussion.

As I said, 4H is fantastic for rural kids, whom are really required to learn help to help on the farm - very practical stuff. Scouts still had many merit badges one could pursue that would enlighten a young mind in new areas. And when I was a boy it was a different time, mixing boys and girls then would not have worked out well. We’ve changed much culturally since then.

Merit badge (Boy Scouts of America) - Wikipedia
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I live in the suburbs of a medium to large city. I was in 4H decades ago and my kids could be now.
 
We have 2 4H farms in town, and I live in a modest-but-thriving city. Took my kids there for day camp during school holidays. Overall I thought it beneficial, but girly past the primary school age (very much bunny agility and the pony club crowd)
 
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