Toxic effeminacy kills the Boy Scouts

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Irishmom2 said:
I just don’t see that because someone doesn’t like girl scouts, that boy scouts should be changed to include them. And by change, I mean allowing girls.

I do think there is a place for separate activities based on gender. Not everything in the world needs to be for “everyone.” If people like the Boy Scout model of organization, why not start a new group based on it that is for “everyone?” Why change what worked for boys for so long, because what girls had doesn’t work? The fault lies with the Girl Scouts, and that is coming from someone that was in Girl Scouts for over 11 years.
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Girl Scout organizations have become gender war fighters … SJW.
 
Wait a sec… Your reply is linked to the post I just posted about the girls in 1909, but I am failing to see the connection. Edit: Perhaps you mean that feminism in 1909 represented the opening of that can of worms, but I suspect it was opened decades prior (US Civil War), if not centuries (American settlers).

Regarding Lost in Space, is that the original TV series? I don’t do Netflix. I watched Lost in Space regularly when it first aired. I am not sure how it supports what you are stating here.

This is even further off topic, but I love Aimee Mann’s album titled Lost in Space.
 
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Monte, Yup. Not what I would have joined for. My daughter was in GS for about 2 years and left, her choice. It was nothing like when I was in it.
 
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Bunch of people here: “Society is failing because it teaches kids to expect participation trophies instead of appreciating healthy competition and practical skill building”

Bunch of girl scouts: “Exactly! That’s all the Girl Scouts do which is why we want to join the Boy Scouts”

Bunch of people here: “Lol no”
 
If you think what’s going on with the Boy Scouts is “bad” [“problematic”] … then consider what “they” are doing to the U.S. Marine Corps.
 
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Dan123 said:
Bunch of people here: “Society is failing because it teaches kids to expect participation trophies instead of appreciating healthy competition and practical skill building”

Bunch of girl scouts: “Exactly! That’s all the Girl Scouts do which is why we want to join the Boy Scouts”

Bunch of people here: “Lol no”
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Pretty much. Except the Boy scouts didn’t make the decision based off of pressure from girls but the realization that many parents have no place for their girls.
Irishmom2 said:
Monte, Yup. Not what I would have joined for. My daughter was in GS for about 2 years and left, her choice. It was nothing like when I was in it.
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Which is intentional. The GS want to be mobile and agile, their leadership changes, their programs change and anything in their mission other than the word “girl” changes. This is intentional. They have a cadre of failed programs…all at the cost of girls.

With the exception of the addition and removal of some merit-based badges, Boy scouts does not change it’s programming. It has stability the GS never had.

The genders aren’t mixing, except for very small children in very specific circumstances.

Girls get their own troops at no “cost” to the boys.
 
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What do you mean by inequality? Boys and girls, women and men should be treated with equal dignity, but that doesn’t mean they should be treated as if they’re the same as each other, because we are not. Men and women have different strengths, weaknesses, behaviors and desires. Why should we act as if this is not the case?
 
Theo520 said:
Do we have - any former Boy Scouts here ?

I would expect at least 25% of the older males were in scouting as a boy.

I was
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I was, too, but really didn’t get all that much out of it. Camping was fun, but a lot of the rest was rather silly, especially the “play soldier” stuff, as did the sex segregation. Not something I felt at ease with.

I got a lot more out of 4H. It was focused a lot more on practical life skills without regard to rigid gender roles. I also appreciated that it was mixed boys and girls, and men and women leaders.
 
That wasn’t the question. The OP seems to disagree with equality in general.
 
AndrewAxland said:
I was, too, but really didn’t get all that much out of it. Camping was fun, but a lot of the rest was rather silly, especially the “play soldier” stuff, as did the sex segregation. Not something I felt at ease with.

I got a lot more out of 4H. It was focused a lot more on practical life skills without regard to rigid gender roles. I also appreciated that it was mixed boys and girls, and men and women leaders.
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Different experience with Scouts, though I concur 4H being a great one. Earning scout badges taught me many things at a basic level I wouldn’t have known otherwise, I thought it was superb at feeding curiosity etc. First time I cooked was to get a merit badge, it also taught gun safety. My troop never payed army but the camping was good, and the canoeing and general safety and first aid skills.
 
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What I am looking forward to is when a transgender boy after a long day of selling jmcdzz’s “Gender/Sex Unspecified” cookies and returns to the campsite only to have to use the open latrine next to the tents with a bunch of other 10 year old boys around. Should make for an interesting chat around the campfire.

And, though not particularly a boy scout issue, I am just waiting for the lunatic left fringe to come out with a statement that God made a tragic mistake when he created two genders. That He really didn’t understand equality and diversity and that the enlightened who totally eschew religion know far better than He.
 
Theo520 said:
First time I cooked was to get a merit badge,
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In 4H, we were well beyond the egg-frying stage, and were actually putting up stores, canning, jellymaking, butchering and sausage making, bread making, theory of proper food storage and handling, marketing, etc. And we learned carpentry by building real furniture and buildings, learned to fix real broken household appliances and so on. Plus all the farming stuff. It was hands on learning with real life projects.

I felt a bit insulted by the “arts and crafts” stuff at the Boy Scouts, like Pinebox Derby and whittling an Indians head out of a piece of wood.

I also went to the YMCA to learn to swim, but also had a whole bunch of great activities there, too. Again, mixed boys and girls. I remember some older churchladies chiding my mom for sending us there, because the YMCA was Protestant, and not approved of by the Church.

But different strokes for different folks.
 
We’ll soon have a nation of weaselly, whiny Doctor Smiths.
 
I think there was a little sarcasm in the OP’s post. Equality with a capital “E”. A word radical feminists like to use when they really mean something else. Do they mean equal opportunity or equal outcome (equity)? It seems the latter is typically the case.

Even if you go with equal opportunity, should we expect the same from girls and boys?
 
A father of two eagle scouts, himself an eagle scout sent me this link


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Trail Life USA is a Christ-centered outdoor adventure, leadership, and character development ministry. Within the operation of the local Troop, the primary statement/profession of Christian beliefs, faith, and/or doctrine is that belonging to the Charter Organization. As with any of its ministries, the Charter Organization should take steps to ensure the Troop appropriately reflects these beliefs. Furthermore, all Trail Life USA Charter Organizations and Registered Adult Members must concurrently adhere to the Christian principles stated in Trail Life USA’s Statements of Faith and Values:
 
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brian_custer said:
A father of two eagle scouts, himself an eagle scout sent me this link
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No thanks. That’s all about cramming a repugnant political ideology down the throats of a captive audience, and not about the good of the kids. Toxic does not even begin to describe it.

“Christian” it is not.
 
All I can say is that neither of my boys or they boys of any of my friends wanted to be in boys scouts. Where as my friends and I were all in scouts
 
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