All Catholics do share in the H.S. from Baptism but we teach a Baptism of the Spirit at Confirmation don’t we?
The Most Holy Spirit of God is poured out upon us at Confirmation.
He makes us Knights of Christ, forever signed and sealed toward the goal of the Kingdom of Heaven. Nothing is more glorious than the stamina infused in the soul, by God, with this holy sacrament.
A convert from Pentecostalism, I still pray in tongues (privately), and thank God for the gift. After joining the Church, I considered myself “Truly Pentecostal”. In fact, when asked why I converted, I often answered “in order to become a better Pentecostal”.
Pentecost was a unique event that cannot be replicated.
The Holy Apostles were given this gift. Look at Acts 1:15-26, and then the event of Pentecost immediately following, in Acts 2:1-4. As with all of the Holy Scriptures, the end of one chapter is not necessarily the book-end of a set of events; indeed, events and descriptions may carry from the end of one and into the beginning of another! Now, look at the last verses of Acts 1: the Apostles chose Matthias to replace Judas’ vacancy. Immediately thereafter, Acts 2 begins and it says “they were all assembled together” on the 50th day… meaning the Apostles, who had
just been described one sentence beforehand - not necessarily the Disciples.
It seems that only the Holy Apostles were given this gift, and when St. Paul writes of it in his letters he is addressing it to clergy and bishops first. Disciples are not particularly mentioned as having this gift. It’s extant for a specific purpose, after all. We’re not all called to be Apostles (bishops and priests), and it seems to me that this “Renewal” is trying to make everyone into one.
Besides, the “ecstatic” is also a facet of the my worship in the TLM, but experienced with more profundity and interiority, because of the depth and beauty of Catholic teaching.
Yes, at Mass I’m often smiling a broad smile that is impossible to douse or kill. I get so worked up, but I don’t let it get to me. There’s no need to raise up your hands, pretend to fall asleep on the floor, or make a ridiculous attempt to speak gibberish. When that Holy Eucharist is consecrated and God comes substantially into the Bread, my heart is pounding and my forehead is sweating. How much more charismatic can you get?
I have seen people praying in tongues, Resting in the Spirit, prophesying in tongues, interpreting the prophecy tongues, laying on of hands for healing prayer, singing both modern and traditional hymns and praying intercessory prayer.
Do you think you could explain what you actually mean by all that? What does it look like or sound like to observe people “praying in tongues”? Since when does the Bible even go near telling us to
pray in tongues? We see, from history, that this gift was used to preach and to convert those with a language barrier. It had nothing to do with private prayer. Praying in tongues sounds like the most ridiculous form of pedantic lecturing, whereas God just wants us to talk the way we are. If you speak English naturally, God wants to hear your prayers in ENGLISH, because He knows you express yourself best in English. The gift of tongues is for the benefit of other men, not for God. God’s practical, you know, despite all the rubbish that gets spread out about Him.
I just associate “praying in tongues” with absolute pious mystical prelest.
Where is the laying-on-of-hands ever shown in the Bible, except perhaps when St. Peter takes the crippled man and the dead virgin by the hand? That humble healing is radically different from having a mock-ordination (for that’s what it is) of putting both hands on someone’s head! Please correct me if I’m wrong…
Just so you know, the Holy Scriptures do not once say that tongues need to be “interpreted”. If you truly have the gift of tongues, both you and the foreigner you’re talking to know exactly what is being said. The Gift of Tongues is meant as a reparation of our situation after the fall of the Tower of Babel. IT IS NOT something you DO; when you have the gift of tongues, you speak English normally and Germans hear German; Italians hear Italian, etc. How can you know if you’re praying in tongues when you’re alone with God? This is God reaching back to us after Babel, in the healing grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and saying “here is your unity of language back: use it wisely this time, my children”.
And all are part of authentic Charismatic worship, and fully endorsed and accepted by the Church.
The Church endorses ideas, but an almost infinite number of practical consequences can flow forth. Vatican II, for example, demands more lay involvement in the Liturgy, but that can hardly be used as justification for bringing children up around the altar during the Consecration, and a million other silly things that violate the holiness of the event. Notions and theories are endorsed by the Holy See, and very often they’re totally abstract. It’s left to us, in our infinite lay prudence
rolleyes
and pastoral responsibility, to implement these ideas. We
can fail.
Have you ever been to an actual Catholic Charismatic event and witnessed what you claim? Because I keep running into people in this forum, who have ideas of what they think it is, or have only witnessed Protestant Pentecostal or Protestant Charismatic (such as Assemblies of God). and think that it’s the same thing. It isn’t.
Can you give us any examples from YouTube that show the true, actual, complete Catholic Charismatic Renewal Mass/service? What is the fullness that we have received from this movement? I want to see it.
How many spiritual Dominicans do you see going through charismatic hoops? Bah!