Ok now were getting some where, if other Churches follow the exact same Bibical rule but instead of calling it annulement they call it divorce, why do Rc belivers feel the allow 2nd and 3rd marrages, whe RC also remarries ther own after an annulments.
Divorce declares a marriage happened but has ended. Annulments declare a sacramental marriage never took place - it declares the sacramental marriage never was. I know this might be confusing the first time you encounter it, but are you seeing the distinction?
The problem is, when one or both have not entered into the sacrament because they are not sincere or because they do not understand or because they are not in their right mind, a sacred marriage has NOT taken place. When this happens and one of the parties suspects the other did not enter into the sacrament in a valid way, the sacramental marriage NEVER took place to begin with. An annulment is just an official acknowledgement of that fact. A divorce is the severing of a marriage that was sacramental. The union is valid in the eyes of God. So, any “marriage” following would be an adulterous relationship in the eyes of God.Hm…why does believers have to choose either divorce or annulment to go separate way? Why wanted to reject gift given by God?. If both parties treat marriage as holy and continue to build their relationship between god and themselves, every problem in marriage can be work out in his name. Why wanted to upset God who give us gift
Yes I see the difference in how Rc looks at it, what I am saying is that view in IMHO is incorrect, the bible says “ what God has joined together let NO MAN separate” that would include every living past, present and future man and woman breathing air on the face of the planet if the Popes and bishops and priests breath air then they are included. ( I mean no disrespect of them)
But an annulment is an acknowledgement that God never joined them together because one or both of the parties failed to satisfy the requirements necessary for this sacred union to be valid. The rules for a civil marriage would have been fulfilled on that day, but not for a sacred union in the eyes of God.
I understand the reasoning of RC, but the bible also says that when we pray or ask for blessings that 'IT IS DONE" in other words when a marriage is blessed and a priest prays over the couple believe that it is done!, this is a deep part of our faith!
I don’t agree that the Sacrament of Matrimony as understood by the Church is a stumbling block to what Christ taught. Christ elevated marriage to the status of Sacrament and the Church has always recognized it as such.
Well anyway, the explaination from catholic/protestant stand their own point. As long as whoever have their first marriage failed. Meaning they do not treat it holy and do not believe in working out their problem through God. As believer, we should bear in mind, before we say I DO is better to ask yourself whether are you willingly to spend the rest of our life with our partner, thur problems and hardship and at the same time walk hand in hand through god. If your first thoughts is not certain, then PLEASE give time to yrself and reconsider before saying I DO. We walk in faith and if one does not have faith in God then how should one be able to work out any problems in marriage. Divorce/Annulment is just not the main solution. Is the faith we have in God…God never please with separation of marriage he give to all believers…Is we human who make it turn sour!!! So what if pple go through couple of failed marriage, does meaning each and everytime divorce/annulment continue, till they find their perfect partner!!! How can that be!!!
I completely agree with you that it is an affront to God to outwardly portray a posture of sincerity of heart and to inwardly reject the sacred element of matrimony.
Eden:
How is an annulment a stumbling block to what Christ taught?
Annulment: A declaration that a valid marriage never existed
blackbelt:
because you fail to see the sin against the spirit and Christ spoke about the inner man (spirit & soul) and that sin is done aginst the spirit and once ist done ist done
Eden:
An annulment does not cause sin, it is a recognition that the intent before God never existed.
Again, how does allowing divorce and remarriage in other Christian faiths seem justified in light of all you have presented?
blackbelt:
I disagree intent before God is there for most again we do not know the hart of all people , we all take oaths in Gods name and then try and justify why we go against that oath When a couple gets married they believe in there hearts this is the one to marry we all want that white picket fence that nice home that perfect marriage, but then comes Kids, Bills, Mortgage, Illness, Problems problems problems but instead of looking to Christ for relief and guidance in there ignorance they look to another partner or want out of the problem so they split , but weather a divorce or annulment the fact remains the Kids suffer and the family unit is no more.
Please don,nt get me wrong all I have present goes for all Christians including myself, there is no justification of divorce or annulments weather one is RC or Prostanant, or Baptist or what ever , except for what Christ taught and even in a case of adultry i belive that the couple must honestly and humbally try and reconsile.
Remember IM born and raised RC , but a few years ago I had a supernatural experience with God that led me to study Gods word and I have had some revelations and understandings since and still do , but because of this I learned to separate mans laws with Gods laws , but because you and I see different on this point of annulment does not make you better than I or I better than you we are both Gods children.
I understand the Vatican has a real problem with this so do other denominations, there trying to deal with it the best they can, but we still have to see divorce/annulment for what it is a spiritual sin , IMHO until we see that, we will continue in this dilemma of separation of Gods families and kids growing up with single parents or living on the streets.
What is the first step to an alcoholics recovery? ADMITANCE, in other words “ Hi I’m Frank and I’m an Alcoholic” OR what is the first step to being saved! Recognize that we are SINNERS now that we know what we are we understand that we need a savior. Same analogy in a marriage once moms and dads understand that it’s a sin period we begin the healing process
Eden:
I can tell you that if someone is still suffering the effects of alcohol or drug use when they marry or if they say they will convert to Catholicism, attend RCIA and then after the marriage say they never intended to become Catholic and that they believe it is all bunk that is cause for investigating whether a sacred union ever took place.
You are assuming that every person ends up on the altar for the right reasons, looking for the white picket fence, etc. Unfortunately, that is just not the case. Sometimes the motive comes down to what St. Ignatius refers to when he says “that the marriage may be in our Lord, and not in lust”.
You are free, obviously, to disagree with Church teaching. I believe that the Church teaches only truth on matters of faith and morals. I believe that it is possible for a marriage in a church that is blessed by a priest to not have been sacramental because one or both parties did not have the intent.
Unfortunately, none of what we are discussing addresses the Christian denominations which allow for divorce and remarriage. People get remarried after divorce in Christian churches all the time. Why is this happening and how is it justified biblically?
blackbelt:
This has been addressed, Christian denominations do not allow for it except for adultery as Christ taught, the only difference between RC and other Christians is that Christians see it as a sin and RC goes around and says no the marriage never happened.
If you were to see spiritual that it is a blemish on ones soul to divorce or annul only then could you see that even after annulment its remarriage.
You can not undo what is done, if a woman is pregnant she can undo it we all know that’s called abortion but the fact remains its a sin and it produces bad fruit. A break up weather its a divorce or an annulment produces bad fruit. What ever is not of God or his ways produces bad fruit, God is good and can only produce good fruit, nothing good comes out of annulments so we can see that this act is not of Gods ways.
That’s where we differ. I think that children who are harmed by marital breakups should be listened to and heard.