Transgender teen who died of an apparent suicide: ‘Fix society. Please.’

[mkoopman]

Huh? You lost me there. I was discussing the article about homelessness. Not sure what you’re talking about.

Your were identifying the “broken home” in relation to homelessness. I was moving to a root for dissipated families at the matter of contraceptives. That is, I was highlighting that there may well be a causal relationship between gender identity and mind/body disintegration and the high praise the modern culture gives to the application of massive doses of hormones.

I am stating that the origin of the brokenness of family may be more like the problematic questions raised by Humanae Vitae. The nature of abortifacient drugs based upon the application of massive amounts of hormones that trigger gender expression along with other steroidal and similar compounds does not seem like such a “good thing.”

My statement is based entirely on common sense and not from a medical opinion. Let us hope that in most, if not all cases, common sense and medical opinions are complementary.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

And the scientific evidence for this is?

Chromosomes cause sex so technically sex is determined at birth. Even liberals agree that sex is what one is born as

So are people with CAIS really men?

 

[WonderAndAwe]

That was copied and pasted from that website. I think words like homophobic and transphobic are overused and usually used to shut down an argument.

They are. It’s the sad state of debate these days. Similarly if I said “Women should not wear leggings as pants, plunge tops or et cetera other such immodest dress” I would be called a slut-shaming misogynist. Or if I even considered posting a thread asking “Hey Muslims, what do you actually believe about the age of Aisha? Was she really 9 or is that anti-Islamic post-911 propaganda designed to slander akin to ‘Catholics are pagans who worship Mary and the Pope as false gods?’” I’d get lambasted as a racist Islamaphobe.

No one wants debate or criticism, they want echo chambers and affirmation.

 

[lightbeamrider]

Feminist Perspective.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2014/12/31/transgender-ghouls-for-suicide-and-death/

GenderTrender

Transgender Ghouls For Suicide and Death
December 31, 2014

In the four years GenderTrender has been covering trends in gender we’ve seen some truly ghastly things done by transgenderists in the name of “trans activism”.

The everyday hand-waving and dismissal of rape, violence, and atrocities committed by men against women of all ages, races, cultures, regions, classes, orientations and abilities, unrelentingly, without mercy, since the beginning of recorded history.

The merciless death threats, harassment, stalking and violence committed by male “transwomen” against women, feminists, and lesbians who dare to participate in the public square of social life.

The ubiquitous and vile systemic campaigning by transgenderists to eliminate the human rights of women (and lesbians specifically) to create and attend public social gatherings of their choosing. Transadvocate writer David “Dana Lane” Taylor threatening death on a lesbian feminist’s children, writing that her children “have to die”, with the total support of the transgender community behind him. Receiving messages from “transwomen” here at GenderTrender listing the names and elementary school addresses of the children of lesbians and feminists considered “enemies” of the transgender movement. Countless episodes of stalking and harassment of lesbians and feminists and our families, neighbors, and employers, many not reported here due to ongoing legal processes. Bomb threats against feminist conferences. Assaults committed by “transwomen” against lesbians and feminists and gay men at public events and speaking engagements. Countless suicide threats by men (er, “transwomen”) designed to control women and prevent us from discussing publicly the ways in which male supremacy is harmful to us. There are truly too many ghastly -even horrific- actions performed against women by transgenderists (in the name of so-called “trans activism”) to recount here without authoring a 500 page post.

I think it’s fair to conclude that the foundation of the entire “Transgender Rights Movement” is based on violence against women, censorship of women, and the elimination of the Human Rights of Women. But that’s not all.

 

[Hodegetria]

Wow, I had no idea that the suicide rates of teens (esp. gay and transgender teens) was such a serious problem. I came to this thread late and didn’t read all 44 pages, so I apologize if this is just repetitive…

The culture of death and GHOUL and suicide for these troubled young people is very disturbing. These are babies, how can anyone harshly judge them, at 16 years old, they have no notion of the future and what it may hold. It’s just incredibly sad that they choose to destroy themselves and the fact that they leave an F-you letter to their parents just proves how much they’re really hurting. Hurt people hurt.

May God have mercy on their souls, and prayers for all involved, especially the haters.

 

[RGCheek]

Wow, I had no idea that the suicide rates of teens (esp. gay and transgender teens) was such a serious problem. I came to this thread late and didn’t read all 44 pages, so I apologize if this is just repetitive…

The culture of death and GHOUL and suicide for these troubled young people is very disturbing. These are babies, how can anyone harshly judge them, at 16 years old, they have no notion of the future and what it may hold. It’s just incredibly sad that they choose to destroy themselves and the fact that they leave an F-you letter to their parents just proves how much they’re really hurting. Hurt people hurt.

May God have mercy on their souls, and prayers for all involved, especially the haters.

OK, what does GHOUL stand for?

 

[Hodegetria]

OK, what does GHOUL stand for?

Oh, sorry-- one post above mine is a link to the entire disturbing article.

 

[lightbeamrider]

John Hopkins Stops Sex Reassignment Surgery. (Science finally catching on)

cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

''And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs,” said Dr. McHugh.

The former Johns Hopkins chief of psychiatry also warned against enabling or encouraging certain subgroups of the transgendered, such as young people “susceptible to suggestion from ‘everything is normal’ sex education,” and the schools’ “diversity counselors” who, like “cult leaders,” may “encourage these young people to distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against having transgender surgery.”

Dr. McHugh also reported that there are “misguided doctors” who, working with very young children who seem to imitate the opposite sex, will administer “puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous – even though the drugs stunt the children’s growth and risk causing sterility.”

Such action comes “close to child abuse,” said Dr. McHugh, given that close to 80% of those kids will “abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated ….”

“’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Feminist Perspective.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2014/12/31/transgender-ghouls-for-suicide-and-death/

GenderTrender

Transgender Ghouls For Suicide and Death
December 31, 2014

In the four years GenderTrender has been covering trends in gender we’ve seen some truly ghastly things done by transgenderists in the name of “trans activism”.

The everyday hand-waving and dismissal of rape, violence, and atrocities committed by men against women of all ages, races, cultures, regions, classes, orientations and abilities, unrelentingly, without mercy, since the beginning of recorded history.

The merciless death threats, harassment, stalking and violence committed by male “transwomen” against women, feminists, and lesbians who dare to participate in the public square of social life.

The ubiquitous and vile systemic campaigning by transgenderists to eliminate the human rights of women (and lesbians specifically) to create and attend public social gatherings of their choosing. Transadvocate writer David “Dana Lane” Taylor threatening death on a lesbian feminist’s children, writing that her children “have to die”, with the total support of the transgender community behind him. Receiving messages from “transwomen” here at GenderTrender listing the names and elementary school addresses of the children of lesbians and feminists considered “enemies” of the transgender movement. Countless episodes of stalking and harassment of lesbians and feminists and our families, neighbors, and employers, many not reported here due to ongoing legal processes. Bomb threats against feminist conferences. Assaults committed by “transwomen” against lesbians and feminists and gay men at public events and speaking engagements. Countless suicide threats by men (er, “transwomen”) designed to control women and prevent us from discussing publicly the ways in which male supremacy is harmful to us. There are truly too many ghastly -even horrific- actions performed against women by transgenderists (in the name of so-called “trans activism”) to recount here without authoring a 500 page post.

I think it’s fair to conclude that the foundation of the entire “Transgender Rights Movement” is based on violence against women, censorship of women, and the elimination of the Human Rights of Women. But that’s not all.

TERFs are the Westboro Baptists of the Feminist movement except more intelligent. They often use gaslighting, harassment, straight up lying, engaging in libel trying to get transwomen fired, engaging in doxxing, etc.

 

[lightbeamrider]

TERFs are the Westboro Baptists of the Feminist movement except more intelligent. They often use gaslighting, harassment, straight up lying, engaging in libel trying to get transwomen fired, engaging in doxxing, etc.

You would need to provide some documentation on that. That they are marginalized within the feminist movement. Doxxing is nothing new. Certainly they are intelligent and not Christian. The point being they can write things in which Christians can or would not and are none the less valid. You can trash the source all you want. Its the content that matters.

Like Janet Mock. Who tweeted a link to your suicide note to over 50,000 of his followers and valorized your suicide, stating that your actions “upheld self-determination”. GHOUL.

Like Parker Molloy, who publicly tweeted your mother’s name and photo and (as your mom was grieving from your loss) accused her, stating: “You could have prevented this”. GHOUL. (speaking of doxxing)

Like “Cisfeminist” writer and activist Tina Vasquez who tweeted about your pathetic death and trashed your mother as a segue into fundraising for herself. GHOUL.

And these GHOULS are the media professionals, mind. The ones that KNOW about the copycat effect. That KNOW the strict media guidelines against valorizing and publicizing teen suicide as some sort of “meaningful” act or accomplishment. Against obscuring the reality that killing yourself won’t “punish” those who have wronged you or “make you famous”…

So good job, Kid. You’re dead. An innocent truck driver is traumatized for the rest of his life. You will never know what a great, supportive relationship you might have been able to build with your parents over time. Ten years from now they may have been your biggest supporters. You never know. As in, you really will never know, now. All talents and potentials you may have had will never amount to anything now. Other dumb kids will probably follow your lead and kill themselves now too. In the end your death is just another in a long line of sad, pointless, meaningless acts committed by people who f_____ up. Without meaning and serving no one.

 

[Darryl1958]

John Hopkins Stops Sex Reassignment Surgery. (Science finally catching on)

cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

''And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs,” said Dr. McHugh.

The former Johns Hopkins chief of psychiatry also warned against enabling or encouraging certain subgroups of the transgendered, such as young people “susceptible to suggestion from ‘everything is normal’ sex education,” and the schools’ “diversity counselors” who, like “cult leaders,” may “encourage these young people to distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against having transgender surgery.”

Dr. McHugh also reported that there are “misguided doctors” who, working with very young children who seem to imitate the opposite sex, will administer “puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous – even though the drugs stunt the children’s growth and risk causing sterility.”

Such action comes “close to child abuse,” said Dr. McHugh, given that close to 80% of those kids will “abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated ….”

“’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”

That is a painful admission on behalf of medical science, but a compassionate one too.

 

[cena]

So are people with CAIS really men?

The modern and political definitions of sex and gender: sex is what you born as and your body parts and gender is what one identifies themselves as, gender is apparently a spectrum so things like gender fluid are possible

I disagree with that definition, but that is the apparent definition the left uses for gender
I have no idea about that syndrome but are trans people people with that syndrome?

 

[Elena321]

Isn’t the real problem with Doctors and Psychiatrists?
Ie:these days most of them come from a viewpoint that if someone feels theyre in the wrong body then they are and should be given hormone therapy.
We need Psychiatrists that have a more balanced point of view and look from an angle that maybe the minds wrong and not the body.
I’m not suggesting conversion therapies,I’m suggesting more scientific research into this underresearched area.
Unfortunately research only happens if someone funds it and people only fund what they agree with.So the Catholic Church or other Christian organisations would need to fund it instead of expecting that Universities would.
Would it be against Catholic rules to refer to people like this as “girl” if she was that psychologically distraught about it?
Just for the interim because people can often change their minds.
Ie:I’ve heard of boys who identified as girls then after changed their mind and became boys again,and vice versa.

 

[religioussoup]

Wow, I had no idea that the suicide rates of teens (esp. gay and transgender teens) was such a serious problem. I came to this thread late and didn’t read all 44 pages, so I apologize if this is just repetitive…

The culture of death and GHOUL and suicide for these troubled young people is very disturbing. These are babies, how can anyone harshly judge them, at 16 years old, they have no notion of the future and what it may hold. It’s just incredibly sad that they choose to destroy themselves and the fact that they leave an F-you letter to their parents just proves how much they’re really hurting. Hurt people hurt.

May God have mercy on their souls, and prayers for all involved, especially the haters.

It’s so weird because I have transgender acquaintances who all have told me that they have talked to people, and they have pointed out Catholics specifically, who talk to them about how much they hate transgenders.

I’m sure that most people on this forum have met someone transgender, without even knowing it. Maybe they’ve even discussed the topic of being transgender with them, without knowing.

May she rest in peace. :angel1:

 

[tweedlealice]

Whenever these things happen, it makes me so confused and angry, because I’m never quite sure how to react. Aside from the obvious: mourning for yet another life lost to suicide, praying for their soul and for the well-being of their families.

But should I be taking this as a story about a blameless individual oppressed by the standards of society who is driven to suicide and the fault is on those who held those standards over her? That’s obviously what the media and popular opinion jumps to… So then does the fact that someone suffered greatly as a result of this standard mean that the standard should not exist? That’s not exactly a logical leap of thought, but it’s definitely tempting in these scenarios. Obviously other people come to that conclusion. I often see (because I browse Tumblr) people assert that a gender binary doesn’t or shouldn’t exist. I mean, I can’t deny that the way gender is experienced by many people is a very complicated business, (according to sites like itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2011/11/breaking-through-the-binary-gender-explained-using-continuums/ ) so how am I supposed to respond to this?

Then again I refuse to think about this story as about a disturbed teen who resented his parents not giving him what he wanted and killed himself as a final act of defiance… I kind of get that vibe from some of the posts on transgender topics here on CAF. It’s cold, not at all helpful, and only gives credence to the attitude in the previous paragraph. I think it’s safe to say the correct approach is more nuanced than either of these.

The Church’s vague stance on this issue doesn’t help either. Even if we agree that it’s not right to perform surgical or hormonal “mutilation” on a person, that doesn’t give us an answer about what to do when someone wants to present as the opposite sex, with things like style of hair and dress and especially pronoun usage. Are all of these things fine as long as the body isn’t damaged? And if so, is it fine only as a bandaid for the identity disorder or as something to be positively affirmed?

Then on top of all of that, there’s the issue of Leelah’s parents. We’ll never know how exactly they handled the issue, other than attempting conversion therapy - which never seems to be a good move - but she definitely wasn’t feeling love from them. But was that because they were actually resentful of her? Or did they try their very best but she wouldn’t take anything except “yes and I’ll pay for your transition” as a sign of love? What does this mean if someday I have kids and one of them comes to me with this issue? If I have to defend a Church teaching to them, might I also have to bury my child? What if a good friend comes out to me as trans? The first words that come out of my mouth can have a profound impact on them…

Dear Skwrl,
When I was in nursing school in 1967, homosexuality was a perversion. Later on, a conference of 10 psychiatrists voted it was a normal sex choice. 7 members on the panel were homosexuals. I wish there was a gene that had a marker on it that would define sexuality. There are hermaphrodites who can choose and seeing which anatomy dominates and hormones are present in the blood and what the individual “feels” like can surgically align things in harmony w the psyche. My brother was bi- sexual. He was molested by a neighbor at the age of 11 and for some reason this wasn’t reported to the police?? 1950’s. He’d get in trouble in school and w police. So, off to reform school ran by Christian brothers. Now, he talked about beatings but not molestations but who knows. I did a small survey of my homosexual pts dying w aids and they were molested as children. Now, in the 90’s teens try anything, so they will try same gender sex to see if they are. They will be rather adventuresome in exploitations.Presently, my grandaughter brings a gay male to the house and a transgender guy to the house who looks and sounds like a female and she is pretty w a high soprano operatic voice. At least she is pretty as a girl. As a nurse, I have seen things in the ER. So, I am confused. I love these two friends of my granddaughter. She doesn’t let me near them to protect me from bringing anything Godly up or anything against transgender surgery. I am so tired of all these social changes, all I can do is pray for them. Look at Bruce Jenner; He is not looking good. This body mutilation is not right. There is just unhappiness down this road. Why could not the treatment be testosterone shots and counseling on accepting yourself as a man. Become the person your body came in.So, I will stay confused. I will still love them and pray for them and be there for them if they want me when the troubles come and they will. God be with them and let them feel your love around them.
in Christs love
tweedlealice
May God’s love be felt by those before they commit suicide.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

You would need to provide some documentation on that. That they are marginalized within the feminist movement. Doxxing is nothing new. Certainly they are intelligent and not Christian. The point being they can write things in which Christians can or would not and are none the less valid. You can trash the source all you want. Its the content that matters.

Want proof? Try to find proof of what they accuse Dana Lane of, what you’ll actually find is TERFs harassing her and trying to get her fired. By the comparison to the WBC I am referring to their entire existence being hated dressed up as compassion.

That is a painful admission on behalf of medical science, but a compassionate one too.

He admits he was motivated into doing it solely on the basis of ideology and not science.

The modern and political definitions of sex and gender: sex is what you born as and your body parts and gender is what one identifies themselves as, gender is apparently a spectrum so things like gender fluid are possible

The idea is that gender is messy and some people don’t fit neatly in the boxes of masculine and feminine. I personally think that is the result of restrictive gender concepts, in regards to men it is far worse than the Middle Ages.

I disagree with that definition, but that is the apparent definition the left uses for gender
I have no idea about that syndrome but are trans people people with that syndrome?

CAIS is a syndrome where despite XY chromosomes the body and mind develop phenotypically female.

…
Would it be against Catholic rules to refer to people like this as “girl” if she was that psychologically distraught about it?
Just for the interim because people can often change their minds.
Ie:I’ve heard of boys who identified as girls then after changed their mind and became boys again,and vice versa.

It would not by immoral to refer to her as a girl.

That is why diagnosis requires stability of the situation.

Now, in the 90’s teens try anything, so they will try same gender sex to see if they are. They will be rather adventuresome in exploitations.

That wasn’t really happening and still isn’t.

Presently, my grandaughter brings a gay male to the house and a transgender guy to the house who looks and sounds like a female and she is pretty w a high soprano operatic voice. At least she is pretty as a girl.

When you’re talking about the transgender person I don’t know whether you are saying they were male assigned at birth or that they are a transman. People who transition young, especially those who don’t have to go through a traumatic puberty to begin with, tend to look like any other person of their gender.

As a nurse, I have seen things in the ER. So, I am confused. I love these two friends of my granddaughter. She doesn’t let me near them to protect me from bringing anything Godly up or anything against transgender surgery. I am so tired of all these social changes, all I can do is pray for them.

Believe it or not there are times when SRS is morally permissible.

Look at Bruce Jenner; He is not looking good.

He hasn’t been looking good for awhile if ever.

This body mutilation is not right. There is just unhappiness down this road. Why could not the treatment be testosterone shots and counseling on accepting yourself as a man. Become the person your body came in.

Testosterone and that kind of therapy don’t work, it just sets them up for a messier time. Too bad counseling and estrogen didn’t work for David Reimer and now he is dead as a consequence.

So, I will stay confused. I will still love them and pray for them and be there for them if they want me when the troubles come and they will. God be with them and let them feel your love around them.
in Christs love
tweedlealice
May God’s love be felt by those before they commit suicide.

The troubles of not transitioning are worse, often far worse than transitioning, for those who transition the troubles are afflicted from the outside, not the inside.

So, I have a transgender person in my life that I care about, before transitioning she tried to pray away the feelings, they only ever got worse, eventually she was having multiple panic attacks a day, Mass would always cause panic attacks when she could be dragged to it (3-5 times a year), she rarely slept, when she started going through puberty as a boy she went from happy to so so to sad, to depressed to despondent and suicidal. She made multiple suicide attempts before transitioning. Since transitioning: her panic attacks are down to one a week from 3-10 a day; Mass makes her feel happy instead of distressed; she often goes to Mass of her on volition (3-5 a week); she is now capable of genuine smiles and is now often cheerful instead of despondent.

Given

1. She now thinks God loves her instead of despises her
2. Her devotion to God would put most conservative Catholics to shame
3. She is no longer suicidal
4. She isn’t actually doing anything immoral according to the teachings of the Church
5. She is happy

Should I pray that God makes her accept that she is really a man?

 

[religioussoup]

Should I pray that God makes her accept that she is really a man?

I have been thinking about you and your friend the entire day! God bless you both. She is so brave and I applaud you for recognizing her gender.

 

[JustaSinner]

As was pointed out in another thread, our unchanging God has already given His succinct opinion way back in the Pentateuch on the LGBT agenda/homosexual/transsexual inclinations among His People (and the world):

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.

Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s clothing; for anyone who does such things is an abomination to the LORD, your God.

Of course, the Lord’s condemnation of what is lauded by the LGBT movement continues into the New Testament:

Romans 1:26 “Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another.”

Either God’s Word is a lie or the LGBT agenda is a lie…As Christ said, “Why call Me Lord, Lord and do not what I say”

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

As was pointed out in another thread, our unchanging God has already given His succinct opinion way back in the Pentateuch on the LGBT agenda/homosexual/transsexual inclinations among His People (and the world):

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.

Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s clothing; for anyone who does such things is an abomination to the LORD, your God.

Of course, the Lord’s condemnation of what is lauded by the LGBT movement continues into the New Testament:

Romans 1:26 “Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another.”

Either God’s Word is a lie or the LGBT agenda is a lie…As Christ said, “Why call Me Lord, Lord and do not what I say”

1. If this were the case then Jeanne d’Arc committed abomination before the LORD for not just wearing men’s garments, but specifically that of a warrior.
2. She has no intention of engaging in sex so the passages on gay sex are wholly irrelevant to her.

 

[JustaSinner]

1. If this were the case then Jeanne d’Arc committed abomination before the LORD for not just wearing men’s garments, but specifically that of a warrior.
2. She has no intention of engaging in sex so the passages on gay sex are wholly irrelevant to her.

Hello–I’ve made time to get in one more post–but it looks to be a very busy remainder of the week and weekend, so, as always, I may not have time to follow up. Going to your points…

The justification traditionally given for Joan of Arc’s actions in this matter are necessity for safety (e.g. on the battle field and against rape in prison, etc.). While one may debate this justification or whether all of her actions in this matter were driven by such “necessity”–it cannot be reasonably argued that any such “necessity” drives the cross-dressing (enhanced via hormonal/surgical self-mutilation) of transsexuals. Please note: I think any argument is somewhat flawed that says such “necessity” exists because otherwise the individual (if they cannot cross-dress and self-mutilate) may commit self-murder.

As to your 2)–are you actually arguing that authentically living out the “T” of LGBT (e.g. through surgically destroying one’s sexual organs) is pure and holy while authentically living out the “LGB” of LGBT is sinful. If so, you are unfairly discriminating against those who fall under the “LGB” category. At least the “LGB” have one point of praise–they do not exist on the basis of mutilation of their God-given body.