Transgender teen who died of an apparent suicide: ‘Fix society. Please.’

[religioussoup]

As was pointed out in another thread, our unchanging God has already given His succinct opinion way back in the Pentateuch on the LGBT agenda/homosexual/transsexual inclinations among His People (and the world):

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.

Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s clothing; for anyone who does such things is an abomination to the LORD, your God.

Of course, the Lord’s condemnation of what is lauded by the LGBT movement continues into the New Testament:

Romans 1:26 “Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another.”

Either God’s Word is a lie or the LGBT agenda is a lie…As Christ said, “Why call Me Lord, Lord and do not what I say”

1. I am not transgender. And I have worn men’s clothing before, for the purpose of comfort or necessity (for a speech).
2. I have played men roles in musicals.
3. The Joan of Arc argument is very powerful, considering that it was a “necessary” outlet for her “safety”. Respect our fellow brothers and sisters and realize that if Joan of Arc is an exception who is accepted, then we have a serious problem if we cannot accept people who feel that being of their preferred sex is a necessary outlet for their life.

 

[religioussoup]

Someone explain to me how the “mutations” on the bodies that God gave us of our transgender neighbors is different from cosmetic surgeries and implants, among other things.

 

[Dawnia]

Someone explain to me how the “mutations” on the bodies that God gave us of our transgender neighbors is different from cosmetic surgeries and implants, among other things.

Except in cases of medical necessity (ie burn victims, cleft palette, etc) they aren’t different.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Hello–I’ve made time to get in one more post–but it looks to be a very busy remainder of the week and weekend, so, as always, I may not have time to follow up. Going to your points…

The week is long and the hours are few.

The justification traditionally given for Joan of Arc’s actions in this matter are necessity for safety (e.g. on the battle field and against rape in prison, etc.). While one may debate this justification or whether all of her actions in this matter were driven by such “necessity”–it cannot be reasonably argued that any such “necessity” drives the cross-dressing (enhanced via hormonal/surgical self-mutilation) of transsexuals. Please note: I think any argument is somewhat flawed that says such “necessity” exists because otherwise the individual (if they cannot cross-dress and self-mutilate) may commit self-murder.

I was actually hinting at that the word for man in that specific Bible passage refers mostly to warriors and the clothes part mostly refers to armor thus Joan absolutely and unequivocally violated that rule.

HRT has tremendous therapeutic effect while it has few bad side effects except for infertility and usually impotence in the case of transwomen thus due to the principle of double effect it is permissible. In cases of extremely psychological distress SRS can also be permissible.

As to your 2)–are you actually arguing that authentically living out the “T” of LGBT (e.g. through surgically destroying one’s sexual organs) is pure and holy while authentically living out the “LGB” of LGBT is sinful. If so, you are unfairly discriminating against those who fall under the “LGB” category. At least the “LGB” have one point of praise–they do not exist on the basis of mutilation of their God-given body.

Most transgender people, for a variety of reasons, don’t have surgery so to argue that they exist on the basis of mutilation is silly.

 

[religioussoup]

Except in cases of medical necessity (ie burn victims, cleft palette, etc) they aren’t different.

If you are impaired, such that you are not fully to be able to live your life, such as a burn victim, then I understand. To me, transgender surgery is the exact same as cosmetic surgery, except transgenders feel as though they cannot fully live their lives with the body that they were given.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

…
HRT has tremendous therapeutic effect while it has few bad side effects except for infertility and usually impotence in the case of transwomen thus due to the principle of double effect it is permissible. In cases of extremely psychological distress SRS can also be permissible.

Most transgender people, for a variety of reasons, don’t have surgery so to argue that they exist on the basis of mutilation is silly.

Hormone therapy has serious adverse effects, notably for MtF patients, e.g., thromboembolic events (clots), hepatic (liver) dysfunction, hormone dependent cancers, etc. Further, the physical long-term effects of puberty suppression given to transgender youth remain unknown.

I would wager most or many transgenders are on the SRS track, the hurdle being financial more than not. Those seeking SRS may even approach 100% if or when the clamor for trans rights lead to inclusion under health plans and/or coverage by taxpayers.

Sex reassignment surgery is the ultimate goal for most transsexual patients.
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[JustaSinner]

I was actually hinting at that the word for man in that specific Bible passage refers mostly to warriors and the clothes part mostly refers to armor…

I have to disagree, the Scripture passage speaks of men wearing women’s garments–it does not merely speak of women wearing men’s garments. Either way, the embracing of cross-dressing enhanced by the modern day option of injecting large quantities of hormones might not be the best reflection of the spirit of the text…

HRT has tremendous therapeutic effect while it has few bad side effects except for infertility and usually impotence in the case of transwomen thus due to the principle of double effect it is permissible.

There is a tremendous therapeutic effect of a man injecting himself with large quantities of estrogen?

In cases of extremely psychological distress SRS can also be permissible.

I’m having a hard time seeing how surgically destroying one’s sexual organs and putting a fake version of the sexual organs of the opposite sex in its place is a permissible Christian act (or perhaps even commendable in some circumstances?), regardless of how mentally disturbed the individual is.

I said:

As to your 2)–are you actually arguing that authentically living out the “T” of LGBT (e.g. through surgically destroying one’s sexual organs) is pure and holy while authentically living out the “LGB” of LGBT is sinful. If so, you are unfairly discriminating against those who fall under the “LGB” category. At least the “LGB” have one point of praise–they do not exist on the basis of mutilation of their God-given body.

You replied:

Most transgender people, for a variety of reasons, don’t have surgery so to argue that they exist on the basis of mutilation is silly.

I’m afraid you misunderstood me. First, I intentionally used “e.g.” to point out that surgical mutilation is an example of ways (not the only way) that the “T” of LGBT is authentically lived out. Second, when I say the “T” of LGBT exists “on the basis of mutilation of their God-given body” I am not referring exclusively to surgical mutilation [although this is a fundamental component of the “T” agenda (e.g. women mutilating/cutting off their God-given breasts in order to create a fake resemblance to men, etc.)–even if not all transsexuals go that far]. Rather, I’m including the permanent mutilating/deforming that occurs to one’s God-given body when injecting large quantities of sex hormones of the opposite sex (and the fact that all men have some estrogen and all women have some testosterone has no bearing on the question of whether this is an innocent and holy act).

Also, you didn’t answer my primary question–are you arguing that living out the “LGB” of the LGBT agenda is a sin while living out the “T” of LGBT (via injecting oneself with hormones of the opposite sex and surgically destroying one’s sexual organs if so desired) is innocent and even commendable?**

**(To avoid confusion for anyone reading this post–I definitely think living out the “LGB” of the LGBT agenda is serious sin, I just happen to think that “T” doesn’t get a free pass).

I’ll have to call it quits for right now, have a good weekend everyone.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Hormone therapy has serious adverse effects, notably for MtF patients, e.g., thromboembolic events (clots), hepatic (liver) dysfunction, hormone dependent cancers, etc. Further, the physical long-term effects of puberty suppression given to transgender youth remain unknown.

I would wager most or many transgenders are on the SRS track, the hurdle being financial more than not. Those seeking SRS may even approach 100% if or when the clamor for trans rights lead to inclusion under health plans and/or coverage by taxpayers.

Sex reassignment surgery is the ultimate goal for most transsexual patients.
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The first two can be dodged by using patches and for the cancer the increase is not much.

It is true that the long term effects of puberty blockers are unknown, it is however important to note that for those who do transition it makes a world of difference to not have to go through that puberty.

It is true that SRS is a goal for a substantial amount of transgender people, but the gatekeeping role of psychologists tends to enforce that as often people who do not strongly desire SRS are considered not trutrans/truscum so people convince themselves they want it or just blatantly lie to their psychologists so they can get on hormones. Thus the huge percent of them wanting SRS is a combination of people being excluded due to not wanting SRS and due to people lying in order to get treatment.

I have to disagree, the Scripture passage speaks of men wearing women’s garments–it does not merely speak of women wearing men’s garments. Either way, the embracing of cross-dressing enhanced by the modern day option of injecting large quantities of hormones might not be the best reflection of the spirit of the text…

Remember folks every man who wears something other than pants/trousers/shorts is going to hell.

There is a tremendous therapeutic effect of a man injecting himself with large quantities of estrogen?

For transwomen it does have a tremendous therapeutic effect to bring their estrogen levels to normal female levels, for a cismale I imagine it would cause severe dysphoria.

I’m having a hard time seeing how surgically destroying one’s sexual organs and putting a fake version of the sexual organs of the opposite sex in its place is a permissible Christian act (or perhaps even commendable in some circumstances?), regardless of how mentally disturbed the individual is.

If it cures the kind of profound psychological distress that can result in people committing suicide it can be permissible through the principle of double effect as it is better to remove part of the body than the whole body dying. I have never suggested it is commendable, only that is is sometimes permissible.

I said:

You replied:

I’m afraid you misunderstood me. First, I intentionally used “e.g.” to point out that surgical mutilation is an example of ways (not the only way) that the “T” of LGBT is authentically lived out. Second, when I say the “T” of LGBT exists “on the basis of mutilation of their God-given body” I am not referring exclusively to surgical mutilation [although this is a fundamental component of the “T” agenda (e.g. women mutilating/cutting off their God-given breasts in order to create a fake resemblance to men, etc.)–even if not all transsexuals go that far]. Rather, I’m including the permanent mutilating/deforming that occurs to one’s God-given body when injecting large quantities of sex hormones of the opposite sex (and the fact that all men have some estrogen and all women have some testosterone has no bearing on the question of whether this is an innocent and holy act).

Also, you didn’t answer my primary question–are you arguing that living out the “LGB” of the LGBT agenda is a sin while living out the “T” of LGBT (via injecting oneself with hormones of the opposite sex and surgically destroying one’s sexual organs if so desired) is innocent and even commendable?**

**(To avoid confusion for anyone reading this post–I definitely think living out the “LGB” of the LGBT agenda is serious sin, I just happen to think that “T” doesn’t get a free pass).

I’ll have to call it quits for right now, have a good weekend everyone.

I admit, I did misunderstand you to a degree, I did muddle exempli gratia and id est, for that, mea culpa.

The amounts aren’t particularly large, generally it is only as much as need to align the hormonal levels with that of one’s gender. Must we always keep our bodies as they are? Are cochlear implants wrong? Are prosthetic limbs? Is changing a cleft lip to normal wrong? Is it wrong to give mood stabilizers to people with bipolar?

 

[Havard]

It’s so weird because I have transgender acquaintances who all have told me that they have talked to people, and they have pointed out Catholics specifically, who talk to them about how much they hate transgenders.

I’m sure that most people on this forum have met someone transgender, without even knowing it. Maybe they’ve even discussed the topic of being transgender with them, without knowing.

May she rest in peace. :angel1:

Hating transgender people is not a Catholic or Christian belief. I suspect that the observation may be based in confusion. I say this because unless someone literally says “I hate transgender people”, it’s common that people attribute bigotry to well-intended points of view such as those expressed here. If the basis in a belief is in fact wanting the best for the other person, accusations of hate only undermine productive discussion.

 

[JustaSinner]

Remember folks every man who wears something other than pants/trousers/shorts is going to hell.

I assume you’re not being serious, given that pants/trousers/shorts as we know them were not in existence when the Scriptural passage was written.

For transwomen it does have a tremendous therapeutic effect to bring their estrogen levels to normal female levels, for a cismale I imagine it would cause severe dysphoria.

Much as an mentally unstable person today who claims to be Jesus Christ may experience a tremendous therapeutic effect by wearing clothes, etc. like Jesus. Further, I met a mentally ill man on a bus a few years back who–according to what he told me and others–apparently experienced a tremendous therapeutic effect from pulling out all his teeth (and he had achieved some degree of notoriety for his Popeye look). Apparently hormonally/surgically abusing one’s body brings similar “therapeutic effect” for mentally ill individuals who believe they are the opposite sex.

I don’t have time to get to your other comments–however, you seemed to acknowledge earlier in the thread the sinfulness of acting out on LGB tendencies (although it’s difficult to tell for sure since you keep dodging the question), but continue to speak as though giving into “T” tendencies is wholly justifiable and pure. Therefore, according to you Christians should oppose the LGB of the LGBT agenda but embrace the “T.” What of all us heterosexual males who have fornicative tendencies–if the “T” can be embraced I don’t see why our fornicative tendencies can’t also be embraced (please note fellow married men–the command of Proverbs 5:18-20 is one of the best God-given antidotes to marital unfaithfulness–and my wife is so amazing that even apart from the sinfulness the thought of being unfaithful is an utter anathema). As I noted on another thread, heavy work load means I may not be able to follow up further.

 

[Violette_Merrik]

who believe they are the opposite sex.

They don’t believe. They are.Their brains are different and have a structure closer to female ones and it’s not the only difference…You really should educate yourself first on the matter at hand.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

I assume you’re not being serious, given that pants/trousers/shorts as we know them were not in existence when the Scriptural passage was written.

The fact that I immediately followed it with a picture of Jesus wearing something other than pants/trousers/shorts may have slightly tipped the balance of probability.

Much as an mentally unstable person today who claims to be Jesus Christ may experience a tremendous therapeutic effect by wearing clothes, etc. like Jesus. Further, I met a mentally ill man on a bus a few years back who–according to what he told me and others–apparently experienced a tremendous therapeutic effect from pulling out all his teeth (and he had achieved some degree of notoriety for his Popeye look). Apparently hormonally/surgically abusing one’s body brings similar “therapeutic effect” for mentally ill individuals who believe they are the opposite sex.

Apparently ingesting bupropion brings similar “therapeutic effect” for mentally ill individuals who believe they are depressed. There also has been documented biological evidence for why HRT helps transgender people.

I don’t have time to get to your other comments–however, you seemed to acknowledge earlier in the thread the sinfulness of acting out on LGB tendencies (although it’s difficult to tell for sure since you keep dodging the question), but continue to speak as though giving into “T” tendencies is wholly justifiable and pure. Therefore, according to you Christians should oppose the LGB of the LGBT agenda but embrace the “T.” What of all us heterosexual males who have fornicative tendencies–if the “T” can be embraced I don’t see why our fornicative tendencies can’t also be embraced (please note fellow married men–the command of Proverbs 5:18-20 is one of the best God-given antidotes to marital unfaithfulness–and my wife is so amazing that even apart from the sinfulness the thought of being unfaithful is an utter anathema). As I noted on another thread, heavy work load means I may not be able to follow up further.

Sex outside of marriage is always sinful and so gay sex is always sinful (given that it cannot occur within marriage), that said to love someone of the same sex is certainly not wrong. If I were condoning gay sex then you migh have a point, but I’m not condoning anything sexual so fornication is a rather invalid comparison unless you’re trying to claim they are comparable in that they are sins in which case you might as well compared masturbation and genocide.

 

[tweedlealice]

want proof? Try to find proof of what they accuse dana lane of, what you’ll actually find is terfs harassing her and trying to get her fired. By the comparison to the wbc i am referring to their entire existence being hated dressed up as compassion.

He admits he was motivated into doing it solely on the basis of ideology and not science.

The idea is that gender is messy and some people don’t fit neatly in the boxes of masculine and feminine. I personally think that is the result of restrictive gender concepts, in regards to men it is far worse than the middle ages.

Cais is a syndrome where despite xy chromosomes the body and mind develop phenotypically female.

It would not by immoral to refer to her as a girl.

That is why diagnosis requires stability of the situation.

That wasn’t really happening and still isn’t.

When you’re talking about the transgender person i don’t know whether you are saying they were male assigned at birth or that they are a transman. People who transition young, especially those who don’t have to go through a traumatic puberty to begin with, tend to look like any other person of their gender.

Believe it or not there are times when srs is morally permissible.

He hasn’t been looking good for awhile if ever.

Testosterone and that kind of therapy don’t work, it just sets them up for a messier time. Too bad counseling and estrogen didn’t work for david reimer and now he is dead as a consequence.

The troubles of not transitioning are worse, often far worse than transitioning, for those who transition the troubles are afflicted from the outside, not the inside.

So, i have a transgender person in my life that i care about, before transitioning she tried to pray away the feelings, they only ever got worse, eventually she was having multiple panic attacks a day, mass would always cause panic attacks when she could be dragged to it (3-5 times a year), she rarely slept, when she started going through puberty as a boy she went from happy to so so to sad, to depressed to despondent and suicidal. She made multiple suicide attempts before transitioning. Since transitioning: Her panic attacks are down to one a week from 3-10 a day; mass makes her feel happy instead of distressed; she often goes to mass of her on volition (3-5 a week); she is now capable of genuine smiles and is now often cheerful instead of despondent.

Given

1. she now thinks god loves her instead of despises her
2. her devotion to god would put most conservative catholics to shame
3. she is no longer suicidal
4. she isn’t actually doing anything immoral according to the teachings of the church
5. she is happy

should i pray that god makes her accept that she is really a man?

as i said, i will stay confused, love them and be as supportive as i can and try not to make them feel worse. One day at a time. I will let them know god loves them always even when the world disappoints them. Tweedlealice

 

[JustaSinner]

Apparently ingesting bupropion brings similar “therapeutic effect” for mentally ill individuals who believe they are depressed. There also has been documented biological evidence for why HRT helps transgender people.

ok, you win. Mentally ill men injecting themselves with estrogen (under the watch care, of course, of a brain-washed rad-lib physician) is a great blessing…Seriously though, I’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree on this.

Sex outside of marriage is always sinful and so gay sex is always sinful (given that it cannot occur within marriage), that said to love someone of the same sex is certainly not wrong. If I were condoning gay sex then you migh have a point, but I’m not condoning anything sexual so fornication is a rather invalid comparison unless you’re trying to claim they are comparable in that they are sins in which case you might as well compared masturbation and genocide.

So a man having sex before marriage is living in sin but it is innocent and pure for a man to cross-dress, inject himself with estrogen and in many cases surgically destroy his God-given sexual organs and put a fake female organ in its place (at least if the above is done with the right motives??)? Also,when did the T of LGBT become non- “sexual”? Just because something doesn’t (necessarily) involve the sex act doesn’t make it non-sexual, nor is sex outside of marriage the only sexual sin (as I’m sure you would agree). It is not without cause that the homosexual agenda recognizes and incorporates this sexually deviant practices in its LGBT acronym (and it’s not simply because transsexuals are a “marginalized” group–as there are no doubt many other marginalized groups that are not readily embraced and exalted by the homosexual movement).

Anyhow, I don’t think I’ll persuade you on this matter (and my poor debating skills are certainly no help toward that end), so I think I should call it quits. However, if further discussion does ensue–it will probably be next weekend at best before I’m able to follow up…

 

[SavannahGal]

I assume you’re not being serious, given that pants/trousers/shorts as we know them were not in existence when the Scriptural passage was written.

Much as an mentally unstable person today who claims to be Jesus Christ may experience a tremendous therapeutic effect by wearing clothes, etc. like Jesus. Further, I met a mentally ill man on a bus a few years back who–according to what he told me and others–apparently experienced a tremendous therapeutic effect from pulling out all his teeth (and he had achieved some degree of notoriety for his Popeye look). Apparently hormonally/surgically abusing one’s body brings similar “therapeutic effect” for mentally ill individuals who believe they are the opposite sex.

I don’t have time to get to your other comments–however, you seemed to acknowledge earlier in the thread the sinfulness of acting out on LGB tendencies (although it’s difficult to tell for sure since you keep dodging the question), but continue to speak as though giving into “T” tendencies is wholly justifiable and pure. Therefore, according to you Christians should oppose the LGB of the LGBT agenda but embrace the “T.” What of all us heterosexual males who have fornicative tendencies–if the “T” can be embraced I don’t see why our fornicative tendencies can’t also be embraced (please note fellow married men–the command of Proverbs 5:18-20 is one of the best God-given antidotes to marital unfaithfulness–and my wife is so amazing that even apart from the sinfulness the thought of being unfaithful is an utter anathema). As I noted on another thread, heavy work load means I may not be able to follow up further.

This is a point I have heard made by many men before, usually to homosexual activity, but I find it more than a little disturbing when heterosexual married men equate their fidelity to their wives to the life long celibacy expected of homosexuals, which seems to me quite obviously far more challenging and deserving of more admiration and respect. It’s not the first time I’ve heard this comparison and it leads me to wonder if men really find it that difficult to remain faithful to their wives or if there really is such a lack of compassion for homosexuals, that their struggle and what is expected of them by the Church is so severely minimized.

 

[JustaSinner]

ok, you win. Mentally ill men injecting themselves with estrogen (under the watch care, of course, of a brain-washed rad-lib physician) is a great blessing…Seriously though, I’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree on this.

Before I call it quits for the week. I did want to apologize for using the word “brain-washed”–I figure it probably doesn’t promote a fruitful discussion (although no doubt most who hold to the LGBT agenda will have a similar opinion of me ).

As to the fairness of comparing heterosexuals resisting fornicative tendencies–I was not intending to express these temptations (and the resistance to these temptations) as equal. Rather, I was using an example of various sexual related sins that must be resisted. I have no doubt that brothers and sisters who fight to overcome homosexual bondage have a uniquely difficult struggle against sexual sin in thought and deed. I’m out for now, but I may check in next weekend.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

ok, you win. Mentally ill men injecting themselves with estrogen (under the watch care, of course, of a brain-washed rad-lib physician) is a great blessing…Seriously though, I’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree on this.

So a man having sex before marriage is living in sin but it is innocent and pure for a man to cross-dress, inject himself with estrogen and in many cases surgically destroy his God-given sexual organs and put a fake female organ in its place (at least if the above is done with the right motives??)? Also,when did the T of LGBT become non- “sexual”? Just because something doesn’t (necessarily) involve the sex act doesn’t make it non-sexual, nor is sex outside of marriage the only sexual sin (as I’m sure you would agree). It is not without cause that the homosexual agenda recognizes and incorporates this sexually deviant practices in its LGBT acronym (and it’s not simply because transsexuals are a “marginalized” group–as there are no doubt many other marginalized groups that are not readily embraced and exalted by the homosexual movement).

Anyhow, I don’t think I’ll persuade you on this matter (and my poor debating skills are certainly no help toward that end), so I think I should call it quits. However, if further discussion does ensue–it will probably be next weekend at best before I’m able to follow up…

CDC data points to a painful truth for transgender women:

Findings from a meta-analysis of 29 published studies showed that 27.7% of transgender women tested positive for HIV infection (4 studies), but when testing was not part of the study, only 11.8% of transgender women self-reported having HIV (18 studies). In one study, 73% of the transgender women who tested HIV-positive were unaware of their status. Higher percentages of newly identified HIV-positive test results were found among black/African American transgender women (56.3%) than among white (16.7%) or Latino (16.1%) transgender women; and self-reported HIV infection in studies made up of predominantly of black/African American transgender women (30.8%) was higher than positivity reported in studies comprising mainly white transgender women (6.1%). Studies also indicate that black transgender women are more likely to become infected with HIV than non-black transgender women.

A review of studies of HIV infection in countries with data available for transgender people estimated that HIV prevalence for transgender women was nearly 50 times as high as for other adults of reproductive age.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

The absurdity of transgenderism: a stern but necessary critique

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[IzzyBeth]

I agree that this is a very complex mental health issue, not a problem of lack of social acceptance. I also agree that encouraging kids into some sort of acceptance or opening to this condition is as potentially lethal as ridiculing and rejecting them for it. Both responses are unconscionable.

Actually, mental illness in the LGBT community mostly comes from a lack of social and familial acceptance, not the other way around. A lack of acceptance is the main cause of LGBT depression and suicide.

Statistics reveal societal and familial prejudice causes substantial medical, psychological and other harms to LGBT people. Research conducted at San Francisco State University on acceptance within the family for LGBT has found that accepted LGBT youth compared highly rejected LGBT youth are as follows:
They are more than eights times likely to have attempted suicide; they are six times more likely to report high levels of depression; three times as likely to use illegal drugs, and three times more likely to be at risk for HIV and STD’s.

And the fact that many situations are the same as Leelah’s, wherein conversion therapy is used, the LGBT youth mental condition is also highly negatively affected when this form of therapy is used.

Medical organizations in the U.S. and the U.K. have expressed apprehension over conversion therapy and have deemed it potentially destructive. The American Psychiatric Association has also criticized psychiatric treatments, including conversion therapy, that are based on the notion that people, who identify as homosexual or as a transgender, is caused by a mental disorder. It is also said the progression of conversion therapy may cause social harm by circulating erroneous views about sexual orientation.

Mainstream medical bodies similarly state conversion therapy is harmful because it exploits guilt and anxiety, which critically damages self-esteem leading to depression and suicide.

So, statistically speaking, in the long run, maybe for your children or someone else’s children, it is far better to encourage kids to be accepting and open-minded, not only to transgender but the whole LGBT community. After all, it is another human’s welfare we are talking about here.

Below are some links that will lead you to where I found my information.

hrc.org/resources/entry/the-lies-and-dangers-of-reparative-therapy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy

 

[Midwest88]

Actually, mental illness in the LGBT community mostly comes from a lack of social and familial acceptance, not the other way around. A lack of acceptance is the main cause of LGBT depression and suicide.

Statistics reveal societal and familial prejudice causes substantial medical, psychological and other harms to LGBT people. Research conducted at San Francisco State University on acceptance within the family for LGBT has found that accepted LGBT youth compared highly rejected LGBT youth are as follows:
They are more than eights times likely to have attempted suicide; they are six times more likely to report high levels of depression; three times as likely to use illegal drugs, and three times more likely to be at risk for HIV and STD’s.

And the fact that many situations are the same as Leelah’s, wherein conversion therapy is used, the LGBT youth mental condition is also highly negatively affected when this form of therapy is used.

Medical organizations in the U.S. and the U.K. have expressed apprehension over conversion therapy and have deemed it potentially destructive. The American Psychiatric Association has also criticized psychiatric treatments, including conversion therapy, that are based on the notion that people, who identify as homosexual or as a transgender, is caused by a mental disorder. It is also said the progression of conversion therapy may cause social harm by circulating erroneous views about sexual orientation.

Mainstream medical bodies similarly state conversion therapy is harmful because it exploits guilt and anxiety, which critically damages self-esteem leading to depression and suicide.

So, statistically speaking, in the long run, maybe for your children or someone else’s children, it is far better to encourage kids to be accepting and open-minded, not only to transgender but the whole LGBT community. After all, it is another human’s welfare we are talking about here.

Below are some links that will lead you to where I found my information.

hrc.org/resources/entry/the-lies-and-dangers-of-reparative-therapy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy

Bold: So normalize the fringe? HRC is a highly leftist organization focused purely on subverting traditional views. That’s like giving us a link from the SPLC saying the Catholic Church is an extremist group. So of course HRC will have studies saying that the main reason for the LGBT community committing suicide is because of the lack of acceptance, bigotry and hatred. It is an insidious & clever way of making such a minority becoming accepted into the mainstream; in fact, it was all about recognition and acceptance. Wikipedia is also leans left when it comes to the editing.

And one post from you in such a topic. How telling, “IzzyBeth.”