Transitional Fossils and the Theory of Evolution in relation to Genesis Accounts

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Freddy said:
Yet there are libraries of information out there. Countless articles. Literally hundreds of thousands of books. Thousands upon thousands of experts in dozens of scientific fields. There is information out there ranging from that which is suitable for young children to that which you’d need a masters degree to comprehend. This is a subject that has been discussed for well over a century with some of the planets best minds working on it. It’s quite possibly the single most investigated process in science. It’s applicable to so many branches of science that it would be quicker to list the ones that it doesn’t impact than the ones it does. It’s the story of life itself. It’s how we came to be.
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Just silly. If that’s your argument i.e., libraries of info, thousands of experts, a subject discussed for a long time, etc. then why aren’t you a Catholic?
 
o_mlly said:
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Freddy:
Yet there are libraries of information out there. Countless articles. Literally hundreds of thousands of books. Thousands upon thousands of experts in dozens of scientific fields. There is information out there ranging from that which is suitable for young children to that which you’d need a masters degree to comprehend. This is a subject that has been discussed for well over a century with some of the planets best minds working on it. It’s quite possibly the single most investigated process in science. It’s applicable to so many branches of science that it would be quicker to list the ones that it doesn’t impact than the ones it does. It’s the story of life itself. It’s how we came to be.
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Just silly. If that’s your argument i.e., libraries of info, thousands of experts, a subject discussed for a long time, etc. then why aren’t you a Catholic?
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Most people here are. And they are scientifically literate as well. They know it’s not a contradiction.
 
Biological evolution is simply irrelevant to the truth of Christian Theism. Genesis 1 fits all manner of different interpretations and one is by no means committed to a 6 day creationism. The creationist picture of the world’s formation is not a necessary component of Christian belief. St. Augustine in the A.D. 300s wrote a commentary on Genesis and pointed out that the days do not need to be taken literally nor need the creation be a few thousand years ago. Indeed he suggested that God made the world with certain special potencies that would gradually unfold over time and develop. This interpretation came 1,500 years before Darwin.

“There are no difficulties in explaining the origin of man in regard to the body by means of the theory of evolution. According to the hypothesis mentioned it is possible that the human body, following the order impressed by the Creator on the energies of life, could have gradually been prepared in the form of antecedent living beings [i.e. living beings that existed prior to humanity].”

St. John Paul II , “Humans are Spiritual and Corporeal Beings”, April 16, 1986.

St. John Paul II & St. Augustine
BOOM 😃
 
o_mlly said:
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Freddy:
Most people here are. And they are scientifically literate as well.
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So you agree your argument is silly?
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See Duke’s post above. He’s a Catholic and he understands the scientific concepts involved and will gladly explain to you that they don’t impinge on his beliefs.

Funny that we’re both in the minority here. Me because I don’t believe in God but I understand the science. You because you believe in God but don’t understand the science.
 
Freddy said:
Funny that we’re both in the minority here. Me because I don’t believe in God but I understand the science. You because you believe in God but don’t understand the science.
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To what science do you refer? Oh yeah, those libraries full of volumes of info.

Exchanging barbs wastes CAF memory capacity. You may have the last barb.
 
What I have been posting for awhile and the usual suspects in denial.


1 GENES ARENʼT DESTINY (genetic plasticity)
2 EVOLUTION SHOWS INTELLIGENCE (memory, optimization, induction)
3 MOVE OVER, SELFISH GENE (cultural group altruism)
4 THERE IS MORE TO INHERITANCE THAN JUST GENES (epigenetics)
5 SPECIES DONʼT REALLY EXIST (taxonomic anarchy)
6 ADAPT FIRST, MUTATE LATER (Neo-Lamarckian adaptation)
7 WE CAN SHAPE OUR OWN EVOLUTION (Niche construction)
8 CHANGE CAN BE QUICK (contemporary evolution)
9 SURVIVAL OF THE… LUCKIEST (genetic drift)
10 GENES DONʼT JUST COME FROM PARENTS (HGT)
11 SOME THINGS ARE BETTER AT EVOLVING (evolvability)
12 EVOLUTION FAVOURS CERTAIN OUTCOMES (developmental bias)
13 WE CAN STOP EVOLUTION (anti antibiotic-resistance)
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
God cannot be tested or described in a relation that is universal.
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True. Observational science can test only what it can observe. But, science can’t observe God (or history). History happened once and that’s all. Science can’t observe God or history or hidden realities. Therefore, science deals with only a subset of reality and not the full scope of all that’s real.
 
rossum said:
Whales appear suddenly in the fossil record. Was that evidence of creation? No, it was evidence that we hadn’t yet found their land based ancestors. Then palaeontologists dug a new site in Pakistan in the 1980s. See Pakicetus and others. Now whales are no longer ‘sudden’ since we have their ancestors.
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That Pakicetus image on Wikipedia doesn’t look look much like a whale to me. Per conventional dating, it’s around 45 million years old. Are you sure that’s enough time to evolve a whale from a land animal? When is the last time we know for sure that something evolved? And, how do we know it? Are your sure this isn’t some “scientific fable”?
 
stoplooklisten said:
That Pakicetus image on Wikipedia doesn’t look look much like a whale to me.
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Very scientific.
stoplooklisten said:
Per conventional dating, it’s around 45 million years old. Are you sure that’s enough time to evolve a whale from a land animal?
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Yes. They’re still in possession of hips; their evolution isn’t entirely done.
stoplooklisten said:
When is the last time we know for sure that something evolved?
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Really recently. We’ve induced evolution in a whole lot of species in laboratories.
 
rossum said:
Roundup herbicide was introduced in the 1970s. Plants have already evolved resistance to it in various ways.
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Evolved, via random mutation and natural selection? I don’t think so. Monsanto’s “intelligently designed” plants resist glyphosate. Not much else.
 
Techno2000 said:
Evolution made Pakicetus fit at one time.What was it that made him unfit ?
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Could it possibly be changing conditions where it lived? Just like many other organisms throughout the history of the world. This is really basic stuff.
 
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