Traps, lies, and deceptions

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I have had them tell me they “loved” me. My response usually is, “you love me, but think my mother is a whore?”. They get the point.
 
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cestusdei:
I have been literally spat upon by fundamentalists. Right in the face. I have been confronted by shrieking raving Bible waving maniacs. As soon as they discover I am a priest they go nuts. I can do without that kind of passion.
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You’re a priest? How would they not know that from the way you dress…or do you wear street clothes on occasion?

Anyhoo…how about the mega-monolithic Baptist churches wehre they send their kids to recruit your kids for activities like basketball…then encourage them to bring you, their parents, along to service sometime. Oy. Major slick recruitment there. Of course, this mommy is too smart for them.
–Ann
 
It’s not actually a personal experience but something I heard in the only local radio program I listen to in the Philippines.

There’s a 2-hour program every Sunday where apologists from different Christian groups debate for five years now. They were trying to show who the number “666” in the Book of Revelation referred to, oh for about two sessions already. But the Catholic apologist, a lawyer and professor of logic and argumentation, just blew their claims about the Holy Father out of the water. This time, some guy from the Iglesia Ni Cristo comes out of nowhere and says he wants to prove that the number “666” is all about the Papacy. As usual for newcomers, he was asked to prove first that his church was the true church and to be questioned by everyone about it. He declined to do so, saying he had to ask permission from his church authorities. The program host-debate moderator then ask him if he was permitted by his church to prove that “666” is all about the Papacy, and he said he didn’t have to ask permission, that he was always free to do so. “So you’re telling us now that to prove your church is the true one, you have to ask permission. But to attack another, you don’t have to.”

Shalom. Amen.
 
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preyoflove:
It’s not actually a personal experience but something I heard in the only local radio program I listen to in the Philippines.

There’s a 2-hour program every Sunday where apologists from different Christian groups debate for five years now. They were trying to show who the number “666” in the Book of Revelation referred to, oh for about two sessions already. But the Catholic apologist, a lawyer and professor of logic and argumentation, just blew their claims about the Holy Father out of the water. This time, some guy from the Iglesia Ni Cristo comes out of nowhere and says he wants to prove that the number “666” is all about the Papacy. As usual for newcomers, he was asked to prove first that his church was the true church and to be questioned by everyone about it. He declined to do so, saying he had to ask permission from his church authorities. The program host-debate moderator then ask him if he was permitted by his church to prove that “666” is all about the Papacy, and he said he didn’t have to ask permission, that he was always free to do so. “So you’re telling us now that to prove your church is the true one, you have to ask permission. But to attack another, you don’t have to.”

Shalom. Amen.
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😃 Iglesisa Ni Cristi is one of the most clownish sects around. I watched one of their TV programs one time where the host was trying to make the claim for InC being the true Church. His whole argument? “Well, the name of our Church is Iglesia ni Cristi. This means “Church of Christ.” It stands to reason that since we are called the Church of Christ,” we must be the true Church."

That was it! The whole argument. I rolled my eyes so far back I could see behind me. Almost. :rolleyes:

For more info about these poor buffoons, see:

catholic.com/library/Iglesia_Ni_Cristo.asp
 
Sounds like the Mormon claim. They say “well Jesus Christ is in the name of our church so we are the Christian church”. We should do a commercial like they do for the Book of Mormon. Instead we can offer the Pillar of Truth booklet.
 
cestus dei–Thanks for starting this thread and for your involvement in the forums. I very much appreciate and respect your perspectives as a priest and am grateful that you take the time to share them with us.
 
Ahhh…well I hope bengal comes home to Rome. Maybe if he hangs around here long enough…

Hey bengal, I promise we will be upfront and will not be deceptive about who and what we are.
 
about a month ago, my neighbor called me and said two middle aged JW women were at his door, and he knows i love to play jokes.
so when they knocked, i answered the door.
buck-naked.
they turned around and left.
but they still left literature at my doorstep.
persistent, they are.
 
T.A.Stobie:
There is this website which is definitely not Catholic, but you have to look within careful to find that out.

URL: madonnaministry.net/
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JEEZ, i just went to that website and what a bunch of convoluted and distorted new age psycho babble. i started reading some of the pages and it was like watching some really bad movie that you really don’t care how it ends or how the story develops. some of the ‘about us’ pages made my brain hurt. i’m not even sure the name Jesus or God is even mentioned in their ministry.

seeing sites like that, i think to myself “Thank GOD i’m catholic”
 
thechrismyster,

But weren’t you intrested in connecting with the dolphins?

(Below is one of MM’s books)

A.N. has extensive experience in connecting people to dolphins, whales and to each other. As the founder of the Dancing Dolphin Institute, she initiated the Dolphin Discovery program which for many years introduced people from all over the world to the marine life in the Hawaiian waters. Her work has been featured on radio and television.

Through Bishop Ashleea’s nonfiction book Dolphin Tribe and audio cassette Dolphin Meditations she has facilitated many others to discover their own sacred inner dolphin connection.

http://www.madonnaministry.net/mm/figures/Dolphintape.gif
 
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Matt16_18:
Who are these guys? Hopetalk.org

A bunch of men just blew through the neighborhood knocking on doors and passing out their literature. I didn’t get to talk to one of these men, but I found one of their pieces of literature on my door from Hopetalk.org.

We have a couple of new Protestant franchises trying to start up in our town. Is Hopetalk.org affiliated with a Protestant denomination?
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It appears that this group is affiliated with the Fandamentalist/Adventist group Voice of Prophecy (www.vop.com), which I guess would make it a subset of the 7th Day adventists, but the website was very unspecific about its affiliations. There material didn’t contain any patently anti-Catholic material, but then again, if they were not at least mildly anti-Catholic, they would in fact BE Catholic.
 
well, i sure do appreciate all the love i’ve gotten in recent posts here (maria, you are excluded from this sarcasm as i do know that you are sincere). i don’t need to defend myself or what i do as i did that on another thread. i do thank some who love to lump people into groups which they don’t know anything about (of course they think they do…hey jack chick does this too!)
 
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1962Missal:
Who we are:

http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/tt6.jpg

Confess, heretic, or you’ll get the rack!!

Justin
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“Our chief weapon is fear, fear and surprise. Our TWO chief weapons are fear, surprise and ruthless efficiency. THREE, our three chief weapons are fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope…wait…let me come in again.”

hilarious justin.
 
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cestusdei:
I have met lots of fundamentalists. As of yet I have never met one who didn’t harbor anti-Catholic beliefs. Some of they ARE willing to lie and deceive Catholics. So I will continue to warn them. It is only common sense. I am sure they would be delighted if we pretended that they were not interested in converting Catholics. Catholic Answers was founded to respond to that fact and they fear CA for its effectiveness.
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This has been my experience too. The fundamentalists that I know are very evangelical in their orientation. I am most concerned about the “para-church” organizations that mask and hide behind deceptive titles like “non-denominational Christian”. And especially when those “para-church” organizations target youth, who are especially vulnerable and unsure of their religious beliefs.

Specifically, Young Life is a fundamentalist, evangelical, Protestant organization that focuses on middle-school and high school kids. It claims that it is “non-denominational Christian” and is only evangelizing the “unchurched”. But a little research on the Internet and a little bit of knowledge about Catholic and Protestant/fundamentalist/evangelical philosophies shows what Young Life really is. And like the great nets that commercial fisherman use, Young Life “inadvertently” (or not so inadvertently) catches up a lot of Catholic youth. Young Life is funded by corporate and private donations so the programs offered to the kids (ski weekends, summer camps, weekly meetings) are either no cost or low cost. (Unfortunately, in religion–unlike in politics–there are no “truth in advertising” laws.)

I have talked to Catholic parents of kids in Young Life and they are amazingly blind to the stealth and effectiveness of its tactics. The Catholic parents are impressed by the clean-cut all-American Young Life youth ministers. But what do they know about these people that are influencing their children (and their spiritual lives)? And even if the Young Life youth ministers are wonderful people, why do Catholic parents hand their children over to non-Catholics whose intention is to evangelize their children to their fundamentalist Protestant religious beliefs? I can’t help but think of the children’s tale “The Pied Piper of Hamelin”–the parents watching while the children follow the Pied Piper’s music…
 
the young life thread was closed because of comments like this. anyway, i work for young life and can answer any questions anyone might have about this inter-denominational organization (which employs many catholics, approximately
%15 of it’s employees are catholic). there are many catholics who sing the praises of young life, including scott hahn and the bishop of colorado springs. please feel free to pm me or e-mail me with any questions about this organization.

and actually, we charged $495 to go to our summer camp this summer and our fall weekend was $99 so it was hardly free. most kids fundraised a lot of their money.
 
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bengal_fan:
the young life thread was closed because of comments like this. anyway, i work for young life and can answer any questions anyone might have about this inter-denominational organization (which employs many catholics, approximately
%15 of it’s employees are catholic). there are many catholics who sing the praises of young life, including scott hahn and the bishop of colorado springs. please feel free to pm me or e-mail me with any questions about this organization.

and actually, we charged $495 to go to our summer camp this summer and our fall weekend was $99 so it was hardly free. most kids fundraised a lot of their money.
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  1. What part of my comments were like the ones that caused the Young Life thread to be closed? The Young Life thread may have been closed but neither of us knows why.
  2. The fact that Young Life “employs” Catholics is always raised by Young Life and by you. But I see this “fact” to be just another of the very intentional tactics that Young Life uses to evangelize to Catholics and to minimize their concerns. Furthermore, abortion clinics probably employ “Catholics” but that hardly constitutes endorsement by the Catholic Church or even Catholics generally.
  3. Saying that many people “sing the praises” of Young Life and citing Scott Hahn and the Bishop of Colorado Spring BUT offering no public proof was your tactic on the Young Life thread too. I am not interested in proof offered in a private message. If you have evidence, then support your statements publically. If Scott Hahn and the Bishop of Colorado Springs clearly and unequivocally supported Young Life evangelization to Catholic youth in a public forum then I will give Young Life a financial contribution.
  4. The costs for your summer camp and fall weekend confirmed my point that Young Life lures youth to their programs by their cheap cost. A friend was telling me that the best summer camp deal around was the Young Life camp her daughter went to. Every other sleep away summer camp cost $1000 per week but Young Life charged only $250 per week. And $99 for a fall weekend is cheap for anything that involves one or more overnight stays, 3 or more meals, and transportation.
  5. It is interesting that you raised these points in response to my post. But you didn’t rebut my main points that Young Life is intentionally deceptive, that Young Life is Protestant evangelical fundamentalist rather than “nondenominational Christian” as it claims, and that Young Life evangelizes Catholic youth.
PS Bengal, can’t you use capital letters, please? It is very annoying to read your posts without capital letters.
 
i only capitalize when talking about God, Jesus, or anything referring back to Him.

i am not going to get into defending the organization i work for with you again. if you aren’t interested (which you say you aren’t) then why do it? i won’t cast my pearls before swine for all you want to do is trample. anyone else want proof…e-mail me.
 
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