Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

[tqualey]

Hi, Kelvinf,

According to this link, the NBC producer was fired for his editing: news.yahoo.com/source-nbc-producer-fired-over-zimmerman-911-call-160330268.html

The actual matter in question was the 9-1-1 operator asked Zimmerman to describe the person he was calling aband Zimmerman did without identifying race. The operator then asked Zimmerman if the person was black and Zimmerman said yes. The part that was edited out was the question from the operator for further information. The flow of the tape is that Zimmerman initially provided this information giving the impression he was race conscious and this was part of his initial statements.

Here is an excerpt from the link I provided above:

**NBC’s “Today” show first aired the edited version of Zimmerman’s call on March 27. The recording viewers heard was trimmed to suggest that Zimmerman volunteered to police, with no prompting, that Martin was black: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

But the portion of the tape that was deleted had the 911 dispatcher asking Zimmerman if the person who had raised his suspicion was “black, white or Hispanic,” to which Zimmerman responded, “He looks black.”**

I do not edit tapes and have enough trouble trying to do a home movie. The editing, however, was done at a time when tensions were already boiling over. In my opinion, the edit could have taken out the operator’s qustion and Zimmerman’s answer if there was a concern about time. But, I do not know. Ultimately, NBC thought what was done was inappropriate.

The matter was part of my earlier post to identify a specific problem with media bias. These riot mongers are feeding off of the free press that they are being given by a media determined that this is the only story they are going to follow - to heck with everything else. I think it is past time for the media to start backing away from the mess they have so profoundly help create. It is time for facts to come out from the people in charge of of law enforcement and the courts.

God bless

If he has been fired, then he probably did something wrong and I don’t know if it was intentional. But I watched a clip on A360 and Anderson stressed at the beginning that, they had edited the 911 calls for time and appropriate content but kept it in sequence. Seems like it was just a matter of the sequence and not the editing per se.

 

[seekerz]

Read it again. If you present the appearance of a gangbanger, those who encounter you might reasonably believe that you are one. If you do not want people to regard you as a gangbanger(wait for it) DON’T DRESS LIKE ONE!! Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine.

Read it again? I’m pretty sure that no matter how many times I reread, it simply will not manifest a clause that prevent people from dressing like anyone, be they gangsters, mafia, bikers, skin heads or worse.

On the other hand, the Constitution seems to take pains to protect everyone from being discriminated against, based on prevailing prejudices, beliefs, presumptions or personal opinions.

 

[fix]

When it is done due to public outcry, as opposed to investigation, yes, it would be outside of “due process”.

If the Special Prosecutor, FBI, and DoJ find in their investigations that there is not enough evidence to charge Zimmerman, will you be satisfied that “justice” has been served??

Your question answers itself. It is not about justice.

 

[iamrefreshed]

And charging a person lies outside of ‘due process’?

Do you have proof there was a reason? Nothing Zimmerman has provided via his defenders leads us to believe there was any reason for him to initiate interaction with Martin. So unless you know something we don’t, I think the 911 call speaks for itself.

Charging him is the decision of the DA who initially declined to do so and still may do again so YOUR calling for charging him lies outside of due process.

I have no proof of anything more than you do so I refrain from calling for charges. I can’t answer why, with no proof, you want him charged.

 

[scipio337]

…On the other hand, the Constitution seems to take pains to protect everyone from being discriminated against, based on prevailing prejudices, beliefs, presumptions or personal opinions.

It also goes through great lengths to ensure due process. See 5th, 14th Amendments.

 

[seekerz]

In this hypothetical, charging someone, and bringing them to trial when 3 independent investigations show insufficient evidence to bring charges = due process??

That’s purely an emotional response. “A kid died, someone must be punished!”

I have a feeling most wont be satisfied without a conviction, facts be damned.

“A kid” didn’t simply die - he was shot.

 

[iamrefreshed]

No, because human life is not so cheap that you can play cops and robbers with someone’s kid and go scot-free when that kid ends up dead. Zimmerman needs to be tried in a court of law.

Well, thanks for being clear. Hang him regardless of evidence!

 

[seekerz]

Charging him is the decision of the DA who initially declined to do so and still may do again so YOUR calling for charging him lies outside of due process.

I have no proof of anything more than you do so I refrain from calling for charges. I can’t answer why, with no proof, you want him charged.

What proof is needed to charge someone other than that a person is dead who should not be?

 

[seekerz]

Well, thanks for being clear. Hang him regardless of evidence!

Kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth. I have repeatedly said, “charge him” and “try him”. Since when did a court of law become equivalent to the gallows? If he is found not guilty then that will be that. If he is found guilty, he will pay the penalty. That’s how it would have worked for Trayvon, if he were the one alive.

 

[seekerz]

It also goes through great lengths to ensure due process. See 5th, 14th Amendments.

Sure it does, and Zimmerman is getting the benefit of due process; even Martin’s parents are demanding due process for the shooter of their son.

 

[scipio337]

“A kid” didn’t simply die - he was shot.

Duly noted, but a shooting does not always entail a crime.

 

[SouthCatholic]

I suppose you can recognize weirdness when you see it, just like you can racism. And that was critical sarcasm.

The Martin’s side will be paid for by taxpayers. The Martins are still free to go to work and make money. The Martins are not fearing for their lives. The Martins do not have a bounty out on their lives. (The Martins are suffering from the death of their son, but I’m only discussing the money part here.) **Mrs. Martins has applied for 2 trademarks on her son. **http://wvrblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/copyright-trayvon-martin.html

Zimmerman has to pay for his own lawyer. Zimmerman cannot go to work. Zimmerman must hide for his life. Zimmerman cannot get a fair trial under these circumstances unless he makes some money.

Let me address the bold. Mrs. Martin’s trademark applications is not a money grab. The only way she can legally control how her son’s name and image is used is by trademarking them. There has already been an instance in which someone used his name and image to promote a party. The trademark will legally allow the family to stop things like that.

 

[scipio337]

Sure it does, and Zimmerman is getting the benefit of due process; even Martin’s parents are demanding due process for the shooter of their son.

Yet, you want to jump the whole investigatory phase of “due process”, and move right onto criminal charges and a trial.

Well, I contend that you stole my car, and want you charged and brought to trial immediately.

See how that works?

 

[seekerz]

Duly noted, but a shooting does not always entail a crime.

Granted. That’s why the circumstances of this sort of death always demands a proper investigation - something Sanford police have a history of skipping over. Their investigation was already submitted, so why didn’t they release an explanation giving the basis for why they failed to charge Zimmerman? If it walks like a duck…

 

[seekerz]

Yet, you want to jump the whole investigatory phase of “due process”, and move right onto criminal charges and a trial.

Well, I contend that you stole my car, and want you charged and brought to trial immediately.

See how that works?

Who’s jumping? The police investigation was submitted prior to all this becoming a major headline.

 

[iamrefreshed]

No, because human life is not so cheap that you can play cops and robbers with someone’s kid and go scot-free when that kid ends up dead. Zimmerman needs to be tried in a court of law.

Kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth. I have repeatedly said, “charge him” and “try him”. Since when did a court of law become equivalent to the gallows? If he is found not guilty then that will be that. If he is found guilty, he will pay the penalty. That’s how it would have worked for Trayvon, if he were the one alive.

Your words not mine.

I gues due process is good only for some?

 

[Lujack]

A public defender is not given unless you cannot afford to pay for one. GZ may lose his house, car and possessions even if innocent.

This go ahead and charge him nonsense is as appropriate as was the go ahead and hang him nonsense was 50 years ago! This is America!

I think its very different to say “This man should go to trial to determine his guilt or innocence, because there is enough evidence that he may well be guilty” than to say “Kill him now!”

 

[iamrefreshed]

I think its very different to say “This man should go to trial to determine his guilt or innocence, because there is enough evidence that he may well be guilty” than to say “Kill him now!”

No, they are the same. Both eliminate due process.

 

[scipio337]

Who’s jumping? The police investigation was submitted prior to all this becoming a major headline.

The one in which the DA determined there wasn’t enough evidence to charge, or have the results of a newer investigation been released that I am unaware of?

 

[seekerz]

Your words not mine.

I gues due process is good only for some?

These were my words and I fully stand by them. The investigatory step was completed weeks ago by the police - now all that is needed is the filing of charges, followed by a trial. That is due process. If the initial investigation had been properly handled, this case would not be the big issue that it is.