Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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seekerz said:
I gave my impression, based on the comparisons you were busy making this morning. Of course, you are free to accept it as fact if you so choose…
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My comparisons this morning had to do with due process, not false witness.
 
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OrdinaryMelkite:
I hate to be a party-pooper here and go against the nice conversation , but now that Zimmerman is going to be charged, I just KNOW that folks are going to say “he’s not going to get a fair trial--------just let him go. Miscarriage of justice for him to be charged.”

Like DA Corey has NO reason to charge him. No evidence. Plain as day and obvious it is the way Zimmerman said it was. :rolleyes:

BTW----sorry if I sound sarcastic here----I just feel that, just like many have already made up their minds about TM’s “guilt,” many have already made up their mind about GZ’s “innocence.”
The rush to judgement has been on BOTH sides here.

Look, I admit I tend to lean towards the TM side of things, I admit it----but I’m also open to have my mind changed by any evidence presented at the trial.
Let’s see how the trial works out. 👍

I’m interested in how the defense is going to spin the “stand your ground” defense---------especially since the guy who pushed the law through AND Jeb Bush both say GZ is not covered under it-----who knows? Will be interested in finding out. 🤷:o
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Let’s wait for the press conference before leaping to conclusions about if or whether charges will be filed.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
I hate to be a party-pooper here and go against the nice conversation , but now that Zimmerman is going to be charged, I just KNOW that folks are going to say “he’s not going to get a fair trial--------just let him go. Miscarriage of justice for him to be charged.”

Like DA Corey has NO reason to charge him. No evidence. Plain as day and obvious it is the way Zimmerman said it was. :rolleyes:
Would any of you feel the same way if it was the other way around amd Martin was being chrged with killing neighborhood watch captain GZ?

BTW----sorry if I sound sarcastic here----I just feel that, just like many have already made up their minds about TM’s “guilt,” many have already made up their mind about GZ’s “innocence.”
The rush to judgement has been on BOTH sides here.

Look, I admit I tend to lean towards the TM side of things, I admit it----but I’m also open to have my mind changed by any evidence presented at the trial.
Let’s see how the trial works out. 👍

I’m interested in how the defense is going to spin the “stand your ground” defense---------especially since the guy who pushed the law through AND Jeb Bush both say GZ is not covered under it-----who knows? Will be interested in finding out. 🤷:o
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Not that anyone ever asked me but I lean towards TM as well but more importantly I want due process to be followed.
 
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rlg94086:
So, Fox is “spinning” by allowing Zimmerman’s lawyer to say something about the incident? I thought that was called journalism. 😛
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That’s what I’m thinking, too.
 
iamrefreshed said:
Not that anyone ever asked be but I lean towards TM as well but more importantly I want due process to be followed.
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Indeed.

I do too. I also want the Truth.

And unlike a certain actor, I certainly can “handle” it, whatever it is or leads to. 😛
I’m sure Trayvon Martin’s parents can handle it as well.

They themselves have said they just wanted GZ to be charged-----they also said that whether he get convicted, time in jail or not, they tend to at least be glad that AT LEAST the DA did what the Sanford Police Dept. should have done from the beginning, instead of “messing up” the investigation.

Good point. 👍:)😛
 
vz71 said:
They did not have the burden of the various race peddlers stirring up the prospective jury.
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They had the burden of people who wanted her dead and a widespread assumption of guilt which was hardly ever challenged on any meaningful level.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Indeed.

I do too. I also want the Truth.

And unlike a certain actor, I certainly can “handle” it, whatever it is or leads to. 😛
I’m sure Trayvon Martin’s parents can handle it as well.

They themselves have said they just wanted GZ to be charged-----they also said that whether he get convicted, time in jail or not, they tend to at least be glad that AT LEAST the DA did what the Sanford Police Dept. should have done from the beginning, instead of “messing up” the investigation.

Good point. 👍:)😛
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That’s the thing, who said they messed up the investigation?🤷
 
I’m interested like everyone else to see what happens. But, I’m not anticipating anything other than if charges are filed to get a glimpse of George Zimmerman the man at the center of this controversy sometime soon. See what he looks like and how his condition is.
 
rlg94086 said:
So, Fox is “spinning” by allowing Zimmerman’s lawyer to say something about the incident? I thought that was called journalism. 😛
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It’s called journalism when you ask pertinent questions to probe the statements being made, such as “why have we not heard this before?”. That’s what differentiates a proper interview from a video posted on YouTube…Failure to verify or challenge a story (particularly one related by a lawyer 😉 ) = allowing spin.
 
seekerz said:
I asked that he be arrested and be brought to trial, you accused me of wanting him hanged!
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I asked that due process be followed.

I pointed out that not following due process is tantamount to lynchings.

I would never think you would want someone hanged.:eek:
 
Vincent_N said:
Sanford police reports and video interview of the eyewitness “john” by myfoxorlando.
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Excuse me, you mean the version of events Zimmerman gave police and the anonymous person claiming to be an eyewitness?
 
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seekerz:
I asked that he be arrested and be brought to trial, you accused me of wanting him hanged!
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There’s no reason for asking that he be arrested unless by someone who has the details and has investigated the case. Angela Corey is that someone. You are not.
 
seekerz said:
It’s called journalism when you ask pertinent questions to probe the statements being made, such as “why have we not heard this before?”. That’s what differentiates a proper interview from a video posted on YouTube…Failure to verify or challenge a story (particularly one related by a lawyer 😉 ) = allowing spin.
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Aw…so, you’ve modified your statement to Fox “allowed spin,” and at least clarify that they didn’t do the spinning. Thank you for clarifying you’re error.
 
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seekerz:
Excuse me, you mean the version of events Zimmerman gave police and the anonymous person claiming to be an eyewitness?
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Yes. There are no other eyewitness versions as far as has been released.
 
Vincent_N said:
There’s no reason for asking that he be arrested unless by someone who has the details and has investigated the case. Angela Corey is that someone. You are not.
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Actually, Sanford police was that ‘someone’ once and my original comment was in that context. If I truly believed that people were in favor of policies of secrecy surrounding the killing of children walking home from the store, I would be appalled; thankfully Florida law is such that investigation results must be released.
 
iamrefreshed said:
That’s the thing, who said they messed up the investigation?🤷
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TM’s parents say that the police simply took GZ’s word for this without looking at any other evidence or witnesses. They were too “premature.” They did not conduct a “full investigation.” Which, if they had, would have lead maybe to an indictment, maybe not----but there would not be the uproar there is now. (They never looked at the enlargement of GZ’s head “injuries” while he was at the police station----also they never taled to some wit nesses and TM’s girlfriend, for instance.)That’s what TM’s parents have said they simply want the process to take its course.

There IS a dead person, after all. Maybe it WAS self-defense, maybe not------but it was arbitrarily decided that it was self-defense without looking at ALL the evidence. If somebody shot to death your son, YOU would want an investigation, right? Especially since the police apparently (maybe, maybe not----that is to be determined) did not look at all the evidence?

They also feel that in most of the rest of the world (according to them and others) GZ would have at least been charged and then the orcess would go from there.

TM was, after all, armed with Skittles and Iced tea and GZ was armed with a gun. :rolleyes:

Also they say that they accepted at face value the idea that TM attacked GZ first and that his “wounds” (according to their interpretation) was accepted as truth without digging deeper.

They also feel that, while they can’t say absolutely that GZ is a “racist,” he DID at least “racially profile” TM and that may have lead to his death.

I’m sorry, but even I say that police are not perfect and make mistakes and don’t look at all the evidence. Many simply “don’t take thier word for this.” Especially since there is evidence that GZ has a history of questionable behavior towards cops and minorities (yes, I know he’s Hispanic. So am I, BTW) and of “paranoia.”

You saying there Corey should never have charged Zimmerman? 🤷
 
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