Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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Aw…so, you’ve modified your statement to Fox “allowed spin,” and at least clarify that they didn’t do the spinning. Thank you for clarifying you’re error.
Surely, you jest :). I have modified nothing. My original words:
New spin on an old tale? Not on Fox?!
I don’t see how you could have interpreted that as Fox doing the ‘spinning’, when I made it clear that the lawyer was the one telling the tale! Was the ‘spinning’ done on Fox? Yes. Not sure what you see as erroneous in either of my posts. 🤷
 
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seekerz:
Actually, Sanford police was that ‘someone’ once and my original comment was in that context. If I truly believed that people were in favor of policies of secrecy surrounding the killing of children walking home from the store, I would be appalled; thankfully Florida law is such that investigation results must be released.
Sanford police did not arrest GZ because the prosecutor at the time declined to file charges. Appalled or not, you are still not that someone.
 
They did not have the burden of the various race peddlers stirring up the prospective jury.
Race peddlers have emerged on both sides of the coin.

For anyone interested- likely no one. I really don’t have a strong opinion with what we know so far in this case.

My comments have been isolated to the tenor and tone of the conversation in this case.

I do trust that justice will be done. As the facts emerge I may or not agree with the decision but I do want a free process and I will respect what occurs if it happens in the course of a sound process.
 
TM’s parents say that the police simply took GZ’s word for this without looking at any other evidence or witnesses. They were too “premature.” They did not conduct a “full investigation.” Which, if they had, would have lead maybe to an indictment, maybe not----but there would not be the uproar there is now. (They never looked at the enlargement of GZ’s head “injuries” while he was at the police station----also they never taled to some wit nesses and TM’s girlfriend, for instance.)That’s what TM’s parents have said they simply want the process to take its course.

There IS a dead person, after all. Maybe it WAS self-defense, maybe not------but it was arbitrarily decided that it was self-defense without looking at ALL the evidence. If somebody shot to death your son, YOU would want an investigation, right? Especially since the police apparently (maybe, maybe not----that is to be determined) did not look at all the evidence?

They also feel that in most of the rest of the world (according to them and others) GZ would have at least been charged and then the orcess would go from there.

TM was, after all, armed with Skittles and Iced tea and GZ was armed with a gun. :rolleyes:

Also they say that they accepted at face value the idea that TM attacked GZ first and that his “wounds” (according to their interpretation) was accepted as truth without digging deeper.

They also feel that, while they can’t say absolutely that GZ is a “racist,” he DID at least “racially profile” TM and that may have lead to his death.

I’m sorry, but even I say that police are not perfect and make mistakes and don’t look at all the evidence. Many simply “don’t take thier word for this.” Especially since there is evidence that GZ has a history of questionable behavior towards cops and minorities (yes, I know he’s Hispanic. So am I, BTW) and of “paranoia.”

You saying there Corey should never have charged Zimmerman? 🤷
I’m saying that he deserves his due process and absolutely should not be charged simply because people want it.
 
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catharina:
Trayvon Martin was an eyewitness.
He’s dead though.
Yes, being dead and having made no statements tends to mean that he is not a witness.
 
Yes, being dead and having made no statements tends to mean that he is not a witness.
Yet if someone had not killed him,
TM would be a most important witness.

Strange how killing someone effectively silences that person.

PS - isn’t that the standard operating procedure for:
the mob?
gangbangers?
serial killers?
etc.?
 
I’m saying that he deserves his due process and absolutely should not be charged simply because people want it.
Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all the legal rights that are owed to a person. If he isn’t charged with a crime, due process doesn’t apply.
 
Surely, you jest :). I have modified nothing. My original words:

I don’t see how you could have interpreted that as Fox doing the ‘spinning’, when I made it clear that the lawyer was the one telling the tale! Was the ‘spinning’ done on Fox? Yes. Not sure what you see as erroneous in either of my posts. 🤷
My deepest apologies. I thought you were uncharitably accusing Fox of spinning. I obviously misread.
 
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catharina:
Yet if someone had not killed him,
TM would be a most important witness.

Strange how killing someone effectively silences that person.
It’s not strange at all. Death is a fact of life. Biologically, one is always silent after death and killing someone always is effective in silencing them.
PS - isn’t that the standard operating procedure for:
the mob?
gangbangers?
serial killers?
etc.?
Let’s not be uncharitable.
 
Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all the legal rights that are owed to a person. If he isn’t charged with a crime, due process doesn’t apply.
There you go getting all lawyerly on me.😃
 
Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all the legal rights that are owed to a person. If he isn’t charged with a crime, due process doesn’t apply.
It doesn’t? So, the state doesn’t have to respect all the legal rights, if they are not charged with a crime? 😃
 
Yet if someone had not killed him,
TM would be a most important witness.

Strange how killing someone effectively silences that person.

PS - isn’t that the standard operating procedure for:
the mob?
gangbangers?
serial killers?
etc.?
That’s a stretch. Last I checked even people killed in self-defense or by accident can’t act as witnesses.
 
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rlg94086:
It doesn’t? So, the state doesn’t have to respect all the legal rights, if they are not charged with a crime? 😃
Yes, and only when it applies to taking away their individual liberty, I mean arresting them… according to some.
 
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