Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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didymus said:
Too bad Trayvon Martin didn’t have a gun. He had every right to “stand his ground” when approached by a hostile stranger.
If some weirdo were tailing me in his car, then I saw him approaching him on foot, I would fear for my own safety.

You may be right that it was legal for Zimmerman to confront Martin but it shouldn’t be. A private person has no business stopping and questioning others. If he tried that on me I’d tell him to go to Hell.

I’m tired of debating legal niceties, Zimmerman is morally guilty. Martin’s blood is on his hands.
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Yes again. I honestly don’t know how others can’t see it this way. Zimmerman is responsible for all of the this. He started it and ended it. May Trayvon soon get justice.
 
i hope that we will know the truth soon about what really happened and what the 911 tapes really say or what can be heard. i just don’t like the fact that this has been turned into a race issue. a young teen was killed and that in itself is tragic. i am not pointing the finger a trayvon or zimmerman. it was an unfortunate set of circumstances that resulted in a death of the young teen and i just hope there will be a thorough investigation and emotions won’t get out of hand. there are acts of violence in cities all across the country everyday involving people of all skin color. you don’t hear about most of them.
i will pray for trayvon’s family and zimmerman and his family and the people doing the investigation and that truth will prevail.
 
SwizzleStick said:
"City of Sanford prepares for response to George Zimmerman decision
Zimmerman shot, killed Trayvon Martin in February

SANFORD, Fla. - The city of Sanford is preparing for the outcome of the special prosecutor’s decision about George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin but has not been charged.

Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett said on Thursday that the city’s emergency management team has met regularly with the U.S Department of Justice to construct a plan. Officials said extra police officers and fire department officials are on standby. Neighboring agencies have also been asked to assist, if needed."…

Blue excerpt from article here: clickorlando.com/news/City-of-Sanford-prepares-for-response-to-George-Zimmerman-decision/-/1637132/10276020/-/xeilns/-/index.html
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Thank you for posting.

I’ve asked this question several times, to no avail:

For those who think Zimmerman should be arrested, will they be satisfied that “justice” has been served, should the FBI, DOJ and special prosecutor determine that Zimmerman should NOT be charged?
 
seekerz said:
I have participated in this discussion before and your stance just does not make sense to me. We know what Zimmerman said, we don’t know what Martin heard and saw, we also don’t know if Zimmerman tried to apprehend him.

First punch or no, if you’re confronted at night by an armed man chasing after you - if you can see the gun, which we don’t know one way or the other - then you have every right under the law to defend yourself with as much force as you deem necessary.
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Again, I am no lawyer, but the language in the law would not suggest that to me…

I am not saying that Zimmerman didn’t start it, I am saying we don’t know.
Someone carrying a weapon – openly or cancelled does not equate to a threat. I carry, that does not mean that I intend to kill someone. He is exercising his rights, and well within the law. Confronting someone is well within his rights. The law says meet force with force. Not assume someone intends to use force to justify force.

Not sure what doesn’t make sense. My stance is that we cannot presume Zimmerman as the aggressor for obeying the law anymore than we can assign blame to Martin for obeying the law.
 
didymus said:
Too bad Trayvon Martin didn’t have a gun. He had every right to “stand his ground” when approached by a hostile stranger.
If some weirdo were tailing me in his car, then I saw him approaching him on foot, I would fear for my own safety.
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Again, I would respectfully disagree – meeting force with force is certainly different than meeting fear with force.
didymus said:
You may be right that it was legal for Zimmerman to confront Martin but it shouldn’t be. A private person has no business stopping and questioning others. If he tried that on me I’d tell him to go to Hell.

I’m tired of debating legal niceties, Zimmerman is morally guilty. Martin’s blood is on his hands.
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If that were the case, then a private citizen would not have the right to ask a stranger for direction, or for help… How can we censor that? Where do you draw the line? Martin would not have been obligated to answer and if Zimmerman than made it physical by restraining him then I would agree he is at fault. Those are the facts that we still do not know, and many of which point to Zimmerman being on his back.

If that were the case, then a private citizen would not have the right to ask a stranger for direction, or for help… How can we censor that? Where do you draw the line? Martin would not have been obligated to answer and if Zimmerman than made it physical by restraining him then I would agree he is at fault. Those are the facts that we still do not know, and many of which point to Zimmerman being on his back.
 
One of the most common accusations I’ve seen made against George Zimmerman is that he saw a young black male dressed a certain way and assumed he was a criminal. To alot of people, that may sound outrageous, but when you consider the fact that the area had experienced a rash of break ins, not only does a young black male dressed a certain way seem suspicious to a surprising number of people, but so does virtually everyone else except the very young and very old, who the locals are not familiar with, and that’s just the way it is. I’ve seen it from both ends, I’ve heard family and neighbors ask “What’s this guy doing around here” when a guy was walking around in a suit and tie, and I’ve had people call the police on me a couple times because they’d never seen me before. After it’s all straightened out you usually hear things like “People are real suspicious over here because we’ve had 3 break ins in the last month”.
 
incense said:
Somewhere on the thread that hit 1000 posts, towards the end, someone had a link that said the detective himself denied it and was calling for an investigation to find out who invented the tale. (I maybe should look it up, but I’m taking the easier road and hoping the poster will re-post.)

Who knows what’s true? That’s the point we should keep in mind. But we do know that many lies are being passed around and agitating people. And once the lie is found out, they stay agitated. Which makes you wonder if there is any penalty for being a liar. They’re getting exactly what they want.

I’m personally pretty ticked when I find out I’ve acted wrongly because of believing a lie. And I no longer trust the liar. But apparently, that’s not a common trait in America.
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Actually it was the state attorney that denied the lead detective asked him to issue a warrant for Zimmerman’s arrest. The state attorney has also asked for the Justice Dept to look into who is manufacturing this story. The actual lead detective has not spoken on the topic (that I can find). The Martin attorneys are the ones that made this claim but have refused to identify who their “reliable” source is.

The original state attorney passed on filing charges immediately but a grand jury was empanelled to look into the “event” and decide if charges should be filed. When the hue and cry of the press with their carefully edited tapes and outright fabrications made this a national story the grand jury hearings were delayed as the case was given to another state attorney. The governor’s assignment of Angela Corey has further delayed any resolution of the decision if charges should be filed.

nbcmiami.com/news/local/Upcoming-Grand-Jury-in-Trayvon-Martin-Case-Will-Be-Turning-Point-144730725.html
 
donsnow said:
Good evening, didymus,

Usually I agree with your posts. But, I have to speak up on this one. I think George Zimmerman is morally clean of murder and acted in justifiable self defense.

God loves you,
Don
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Thanks Don. It’s nice to know somebody agrees with me sometimes.
I guess nobody is going to change anybody’s mind so I’ll try (again) to stay off the Martin/Zimmerman threads.

pax et bonum
 
On Good Friday, we remember that Pilate condemned Jesus to die, not because he thought he was guilty, but to placate the crowd.

Will this happen to Zimmerman?
 
incense said:
On Good Friday, we remember that Pilate condemned Jesus to die, not because he thought he was guilty, but to placate the crowd.

Will this happen to Zimmerman?
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Good analogy, mob rules do seem to be getting all the press.
 
donsnow said:
Good evening, SwizzleStick,

Thank you for this link. The Rueters story fills in a lot of the blanks, as well as raising more questions.

But, at least now, I know it was Crump who started the witch hunt.

God loves you,
Don
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You are welcome, donsnow. Reuters filled in blanks for me too, so I am happy to share.

God loves you and all too!
 
Today is day 40 after the boy was killed and the killer still hasn’t been charged. Let’s pray for justice.
 
Jerry_Miah said:
Today is day 40 after the boy was killed and the killer still hasn’t been charged. Let’s pray for justice.
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4th time’s the charm! I’ve asked this question several times, to no avail:

For those who think Zimmerman should be arrested, will they be satisfied that “justice” has been served, should the FBI, DOJ and special prosecutor determine that Zimmerman should NOT be charged?
 
donsnow said:
Good evening, all,

What hurts me most, is the parents’ pain.

God loves all of you, lurkers, too,
Don
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Yes, I agree. No matter his age, Trayvon was their baby. The quote from the beloved book (at least at my house it is beloved), Love You Forever by Robert Munsch, comes to mind. I cried when I first read it in the bookstore and I’ve cried when reading it ever since.

“I’ll love you forever,
I’ll like you for always,
As long as I’m living,
My baby you’ll be.”
 
scipio337 said:
Thank you for posting.

I’ve asked this question several times, to no avail:

For those who think Zimmerman should be arrested, will they be satisfied that “justice” has been served, should the FBI, DOJ and special prosecutor determine that Zimmerman should NOT be charged?
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You are welcome.

As far as your question, considering all indications, I think we can guess the answer. Justice is only what they think justice should be, no matter the facts.

I personally don’t know what happened. It seems others know and have decided what justice is for Zimmerman. Glad they are so sure. I am not.
 
donsnow said:
…What hurts me most, is the parents’ pain. …
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It is sad to me that probably to protect privacy and to try to avoid more media circus for their family, their son had this short obituary to celebrate his life. Sad.

"Trayvon Martin
Martin, Trayvon, 17, of Miami, FL, passed away on February 26, 2012. Roy Mizell & Kurtz Funeral Home, Ft. Lauderdale.

Published in Sun-Sentinel on March 2, 2012"

Source: legacy.com/ns/obitfinder/obituary-search.aspx?daterange=Last6Mths&firstname=trayvon&lastname=martin&countryid=1&stateid=0&affiliateid=-1
 
SwizzleStick said:
You are welcome.

As far as your question, considering all indications, I think we can guess the answer. Justice is only what they think justice should be, no matter the facts.

I personally don’t know what happened. It seems others know and have decided what justice is for Zimmerman. Glad they are so sure. I am not.
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I’m not 100% sure what happened, either. Still sorting out the facts, and we aren’t privy to all the information the investigators have.

I would consider it just as unjust for an innocent man to be jailed as I would a guilty man go free.

Let’s pray that both sides of this issue can accept the investigations’ findings, whatever they might be, and hope there is no pressure to find a crime when one may not exist.
 
scipio337 said:
I’m not 100% sure what happened, either. Still sorting out the facts, and we aren’t privy to all the information the investigators have.

I would consider it just as unjust for an innocent man to be jailed as I would a guilty man go free.

Let’s pray that both sides of this issue can accept the investigations’ findings, whatever they might be, and hope there is no pressure to find a crime when one may not exist.
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👍👍

I agree.

Here is an article from our local paper that supports the truth that the public just doesn’t have all the facts and we have no business judging one way or the other at this point, and maybe not ever, since I doubt we’ll ever get all the facts.

"Media take on police-like role in Martin case

The news media are taking on an increasingly police-like role in the Trayvon Martin slaying by using modern forensic techniques to analyze evidence, an approach some legal experts say can lead to a distorted view of the case because a lot of the key evidence is still under wraps."…

Blue excerpt from: stltoday.com/news/national/media-take-on-police-like-role-in-martin-case/article_f912c43d-7cdd-5dc7-b0a2-0c35a71261a1.html
 
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