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seekerz
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Only cowards overreact to a kid doing nothing wrong and then make excuses instead of manning up! I had a gun but he socked me, waah, waah, waah…That’s the sorriest excuse for exercising the right to bear arms that I’ve ever heard of!Lesson here don’t attack someone for following you, looking at you or asking you a question. That is if you are not a thug.
- Truth based on witness statements, actions of police, statements of the only witness to the entire event (zimmerman), 911 tapes, reported injuries on zimmerman, injuries on Martin (shot in chest not back), evidence of Martin’s character (no_limit_***** on twitter).
- Martin did not have cause to attack zimmerman, that is if you believe in a civilized society. I cannot attack someone who is following me or asks me a question. When Martin had the chance to run he did not, nor did he call the police. He turned around and attacked Zimmerman, that is unless you think Zimmerman caused his own injuries, or perhaps the corrput police officers caused the injuries to frame poor Trayvon.
- As is apparent in the reported phone call to his girlfriend he was not afraid. Sounds like he was confrontational. His girlfriend told him to get away, he did not. Even if he was afraid he could not lawfully attack Zimmerman until some violence was perpetrated on him. Martin was the first and only individual in this situation to perpetrate violence. Zimmerman responded to that violence using the tool he had available.
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7_Sorrows
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yes, i think you are probably right. now i hear there were shootings in tulsa, oklahoma that have left 3 people dead - they were random shootings of black men walking down the street. more tragedy added to tragedy.
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thedavidwilson
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Misrepresentation of the facts.
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thedavidwilson
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So if I savagely beat someone and slammed their head into pavement for following me or asking me a question I would not be overreacting?
Reporting a suspicious person to the police is not overreacting and is encouraged by many police departments, at least those in cities with low crime.
BTW the gun was not drawn until AFTER zimmerman was having his head slammed into the pavement? Should he have lost consciousness before defending himself?
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7_Sorrows
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well, wasn’t he the head of a neighborhood watch? i have lived in neighborhoods where you had to be aware of strangers walking down your streets. for people that have not lived in neighborhoods that are prone to crime you do not realize how alert you need to be to what is happening. unfortunately, it sounds like this neighborhood is where trayvon’s dad’s girlfriend lived, so he probably wasn’t that familiar with it. if you live in a high crime area, you can’t let your guard down and sometimes minding your own business isn’t an option. we have neighborhood watches for a reason.
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thedavidwilson
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Originally Posted by seekerz
A kid is dead who needn’t be if a grown man had minded his business. Is that ‘evidence’ enough for you?
A kid is dead who needn’t be if a grown man had minded his business. Is that ‘evidence’ enough for you?
seekerz does not realized that it is not the police’s duty to protect you, your family or your property. Natural law and the supreme court confirms this. The police’s duty is to enforce the law and arrest bad guys. They will show up AFTER the crime has been committed like when a resident is jumped and savagely beaten by a teenager.
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Jerry_Miah
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Exactly. Kid left the house to get candy. Kid walked back toward the house. He is followed and then shot dead on the way. What kind of person makes excuses for the killer in this situation?
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hosemonkey
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The black community must bear equal responsibility for this tragedy. The black community has tolerated or at least condoned the culture of lawbreaking that has created the atmosphere of suspicion of black males that exists. If I am going down the street and I observe a group of young black males, I am immediately on guard, because groups of young black males that are dressed a certain way, and behaving in a certain way, have a history of committing mischief. This is not racism, but simple good sense.
I am certain that if I observed a group of young white males, dressed in a certain way, ie: shaved heads, combat boots and wearing “wifebeaters,” I would be alerted and perhaps take anouther route. Am I guilty of prejudice? No, merely excersizing prudence. We owe our survival to rapid first impressions and “fight or flight.” A certain appearance has come to identify certain groups. Hoodies, baggy pants, basketball shoes etc. has come to symbolize particularly black thugs. “Wifebeater” undershirts, baggy pants or shorts, athletic jerseys, headbands etc. have come to mean hispanic thugs and their imitators. Does that mean that ALL kids who dress this way are hoods or criminals? Of course not, but it does mean, that to the casual observer, who may be in danger, that they fly the flag of the enemy. One does not wait to explore deeper, one fights or flees. Black, white and hispanic communities have been guilty of allowing and condoning thug-like dress and thug-like behaviour by their children. The emulation of thug-like dress and thug-like behaviour by young people has led to countless tragedies such as we have seen lately. I certainly feel sorry for parents who lose their children to these atrocities, but they, and the culture at large, must share responsibility.
What’s the bottom line? Do not dress like a thug, do not behave like a thug, do not think like a thug, do not associate with thugs and chances are good that you will not be treated like a thug.Your “self-expression” is certainly not worth your life.
I am certain that if I observed a group of young white males, dressed in a certain way, ie: shaved heads, combat boots and wearing “wifebeaters,” I would be alerted and perhaps take anouther route. Am I guilty of prejudice? No, merely excersizing prudence. We owe our survival to rapid first impressions and “fight or flight.” A certain appearance has come to identify certain groups. Hoodies, baggy pants, basketball shoes etc. has come to symbolize particularly black thugs. “Wifebeater” undershirts, baggy pants or shorts, athletic jerseys, headbands etc. have come to mean hispanic thugs and their imitators. Does that mean that ALL kids who dress this way are hoods or criminals? Of course not, but it does mean, that to the casual observer, who may be in danger, that they fly the flag of the enemy. One does not wait to explore deeper, one fights or flees. Black, white and hispanic communities have been guilty of allowing and condoning thug-like dress and thug-like behaviour by their children. The emulation of thug-like dress and thug-like behaviour by young people has led to countless tragedies such as we have seen lately. I certainly feel sorry for parents who lose their children to these atrocities, but they, and the culture at large, must share responsibility.
What’s the bottom line? Do not dress like a thug, do not behave like a thug, do not think like a thug, do not associate with thugs and chances are good that you will not be treated like a thug.Your “self-expression” is certainly not worth your life.
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incense
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You’re right. It would not. It would be a sign that you haven’t quite reached that forgiveness stage yet. But it’s still true. It would be a much, much, much worse fate.
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InnocentFortune
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No… if Zimmerman walks there will be race riots across the country and everyone knows it. This isn’t about justice it is about racial hatred.
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Corki
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But that’s the missing step in the post I was replying to. (Jerry’s " We call for charges and, if Zimmerman pleads innocent, a trial. That’s the American way.")
If it’s the prosecutors office or a grand jury, there has to be a step where the initial reports are evaluated and, based on the evidence, a decision is made whether to pursue charges - or not. That decision can’t be made based on media outcry or the desire to stir up racial unrest.
BTW, today’s news includes the story of the NBC producer who has been fired for editing the tape of Zimmerman’s phone call to *make it sound like *Zimmerman made an unsolicited comment on Martin’s race.
news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/nbc-fires-producer-over-edited-zimmerman-911-call-201124740.html
There’s plenty of blame to go around here and it doesn’t serve justice to convict Zimmerman or to canonize Martin in the court of public appeal.
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pnewton
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No, he was not. Being in a gated community does not equate to trespassing. A gated community is not a closed commune where no one is allowed visitors. Furthermore, if he went out in public, to buy some snacks, no where he walked would be considered criminal trespassing unless it was properly posted as private property (including the streets and sidewalks), and usually fenced off. No one has said anything about this, or about him jumping some gate or fence.
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pnewton
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Did he? How are you any better than those that accuse Zimmerman of murder, if you assume Martin committed this crime of which he was not charged and which is not yet been proven?
If Martin did attack Zimmerman, than perhaps he did so in self-defense as he was standing his own ground.
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pnewton
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Should Martin have to wait until Zimmerman shot him before he defended himself?
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pnewton
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No, that is not the American legal system. There is plenty of evidence a crime was committed. I have never heard anyone suggest otherwise (except you): dead body, smoking gun, 911 tapes,etc.
The question is whether there is sufficient evidence to charge and allow this to go to trial under Florida law. I think anywhere else this would be a no-brainer.
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catharina
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pnewton
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Wow.
I think there is racism expressed from both sides, but I am hard pressed not to prejudice in either Zimmerman’s phone call or many of the comments made in defending his jumping to conclusions.
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Nec5
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Nicely put.
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