Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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Jerry_Miah said:
Maybe you missed it, but people have been saying, wrongly and questionably, that Trayvon was “trespassing” in a gated community, and that is the context of the discussion that you are participating in.
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I didn’t see that either. Could you quote that post?
 
vz71 said:
I must have missed this.
Can you please point out the posts that indicate Tayvon was trespassing?
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I was one, and I have subsequently corrected my mistake

time to move on and quit bashing each other
 
Jerry_Miah said:
Breitbart.com is a racist and thoroughly discredited website that only tries to create more disharmony in our world. They are not part of a charitable debate.
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I was not aware of that. So, you are saying that Breitbart is incorrect in their view that the Black Panthers are inciting violence? Are you sure you are not shooting the messenger?
 
gilliam said:
I was one, and I have subsequently corrected my mistake

time to move on and quit bashing each other
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I do not believe one poster that has corrected himself dictates the context of the thread.

I am trying to establish if what has been stated concerning the context of the discussion is true.

The entirety of the news story concerning has been marked with falsehood.
I do not believe the context of this thread says that Trayvon was trespassing, saying so would seem to be setting up a straw man.
 
Jerry_Miah said:
Breitbart.com is a racist and thoroughly discredited website that only tries to create more disharmony in our world. They are not part of a charitable debate.
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Here, is this source more acceptable to you?

"Trayvon Martin: New Black Panther’s Malik Zulu Shabazz plans day of action

On Sunday, Malik Zulu Shabazz, the National Chairman of the New Black Panther Party, revealed a national “Day of Action” on April 9 - one day before a grand jury is set to begin hearing the Trayvon Martin shooting case."…

Blue excerpt from: examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/trayvon-martin-new-black-panther-s-malik-zulu-shabazz-plans-day-of-action
 
tqualey said:
Hi, Pnewton,

You do realize that the police tape that has been so often displayed on TV was not intended as an assessment tool for physical injuries -
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Of course, which is why I responded to the comment about the wound looking so deadly on tape.
]Give it a break and just wait for the criminal-justice system to follow the established laws -
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Give what a break? Posting on this subject? If that is what you wish, you can decline to post here, or even suggest that the topic be banned. I do not understand what it is that you wish me to break from.
 
Hi, Pnewton,

Give your cynical rush to judgment of Zimmerman a break until the facts are in - not just grainy video footage that demonstrates nothing. Your jaundiced description of his wounds adds nothing to an honest search for what has happened.

God bless
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pnewton:
Of course, which is why I responded to the comment about the wound looking so deadly on tape. Give what a break? Posting on this subject? If that is what you wish, you can decline to post here, or even suggest that the topic be banned. I do not understand what it is that you wish me to break from.
 
mary_bobo said:
But here again, we are all stating opinions because we do not have facts. And it would be more prudential if we did not state our opinions as facts.
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Agreed. I hate it when people do that. For what it is worth, it is a fact that he was walking through this community, irrespective of gate, guardhouse or any other barrier. It is also true that no one is claiming that he jumped over a fence or somehow snuck in. Therefore, in my opinion, I do not see any elements of criminal trespass that could have occurred. It is a total fact to say he was not trespassing as that is crime and requires a charge, a complaintant and usually a warning. None of this had been filed or issued. Ergo, there is no criminal trespass. If you disagree, please link anything that shows where Martin was charged with criminal trespass here, or had been issued a criminal trespass warning.

I will add one caveat that my knowledge of such things is based on my state and this might vary from state to state.
 
tqualey said:
Hi, Pnewton,

Give your cynical rush to judgment of Zimmerman a break until the facts are in - not just grainy video footage that demonstrates nothing. Your jaundiced description of his wounds adds nothing to an honest search for what has happened.

God bless
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Please note that I have never judged Mr. Zimmerman morally. If have never judged him as criminally guilty. What I have said, that you call a cynical rush to judgement, is that his injury did not appear that severe. If you go back, you will find that it is the appearance that I commented on, as in no gushing blood, not bandage, no noticeable anguish on his face. In no case would any injury indicate if he was beaten, doing the beating, involved in a staight up fight, or slipped on the sidewalk.

Rather, it was the very judgement that you are criticizing that I responded to:
*One need look no further then the wounds apparent on the police tapes to understand that he was on the receiving end of a beating./*quote] I do not think the tapes do justify a “rush to judgement” that Zimmerman was on the receiving end of a beating.
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Cider said:
And your basing this assumption on what exactly?
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Perhaps I am wrong, but he said he acted in self-defense. I do not want to judge Mr. Zimmerman guilty of murder at this time. There has been nothing said that he had any physical training, and he did resort to deadly force against an unarmed assailant.
 
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pnewton:
Of course, which is why I responded to the comment about the wound looking so deadly on tape.

Which post was this? I must have missed it.
 
Not much of substance here…

"Zimmerman speaks, raises funds on new website
Investigation into case continues

SANFORD, Florida (CNN) - The man at the center of a firestorm over his shooting of an unarmed Florida teenager has launched a website, warning supporters about groups that falsely claim to be raising funds for his defense and soliciting donations for himself."…

Blue excerpt from: clickorlando.com/news/Zimmerman-speaks-raises-funds-on-new-website/-/1637132/10364842/-/yf5r7jz/-/index.html
 
pnewton said:
Agreed. I hate it when people do that. For what it is worth, it is a fact that he was walking through this community, irrespective of gate, guardhouse or any other barrier. It is also true that no one is claiming that he jumped over a fence or somehow snuck in. Therefore, in my opinion, I do not see any elements of criminal trespass that could have occurred. It is a total fact to say he was not trespassing as that is crime and requires a charge, a complaintant and usually a warning. None of this had been filed or issued. Ergo, there is no criminal trespass. If you disagree, please link anything that shows where Martin was charged with criminal trespass here, or had been issued a criminal trespass warning.

I will add one caveat that my knowledge of such things is based on my state and this might vary from state to state.
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Don’t think I said that Martin was trespassing. I was merely stating how some gated communities work. It has not been mentioned in the press (which seems to be where we are all getting our information) that he was trespassing. I still say that we do not know the actual facts. All we have are suppositions. I prefer to wait and see what the special prosecutor comes up with. I am for the truth and then if punishment is required, I support that.
 
pnewton said:
Rather, it was the very judgement that you are criticizing that I responded to:
One need look no further then the wounds apparent on the police tapes to understand that he was on the receiving end of a beating./
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Sorry, but I interpret the wound on the back of his head as evidence of a beating.
This is also supported by the eyewitness testimony.
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vz71 said:
Sorry, but I interpret the wound on the back of his head as evidence of a beating.
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Being beat is one thing that can result in a head wound, to be certain. I prefer to wait on which testimony stands up in court, though. Once people take that oath, or start to sign sworn statements, stories can change.
 
"Zimmerman family challenges Holder on New Black Panthers, says no arrests ‘based solely on your race’

In a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, obtained exclusively by The Daily Caller, a family member of George Zimmerman asked the nation’s top law enforcement officer why he has chosen to not arrest members of the New Black Panther Party for their rhetoric — some of which may fit the federal government’s definition of a hate crime — throughout the Trayvon Martin case."…

Blue excerpt from: dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/zimmerman-family-challenges-holder-on-new-black-panthers-says-no-arrests-based-solely-on-your-race/
 
incense said:
Terrible nightmare for the parents.

BUT… as far as the media/gossipmongers…someone on CAF wrote that the father had been looking for him for 3 days before the police admitted where he was. This was only 12 hours later, and immediately after the father first called the police.

Another example of false reports, slandering, hate mongering, manipulating, etc.

Look how the “facts” keep changing. Even the report that the lead detective wanted to arrest Zimmerman --a fact coming from lawyers–turned out to be false.

We shouldn’t be playing these games with people’s lives and reputations. It’s not Catholic. And I don’t want Jesus to judge me in a similar manner.
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Until all of the facts of the case have been released I’m not prepared to say that either Zimmerman or Trevor Martin is at fault. Yes its a tragedy, but things like this happen every day. I would invite the media if they really are unbiased to also show the everyday crimes that are occurring sadly every day instead of focusing on one case. Meanwhile, we should be praying for both of these families, but I for one am getting tired of the news media making this a 3 ring circus when other things are ignored.
 
SwizzleStick said:
"Zimmerman family challenges Holder on New Black Panthers, says no arrests ‘based solely on your race’
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Maybe it has been referred to a grand jury?😃

Sauce for the goose and all.

Still, I am waiting to see if any arrest comes from the activity of the New Black Panther Party. I see a civil case already possible.

I just did a search and was somewhat surprised to see them listed as a Hate Group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/new-black-panther-party
 
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