Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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Why isn’t the UN looking at the violence shown at European synagogues! Oh, I forgot, that is their own turf. And what about the London riots? Far more violence there as well as the Greek ones, but these didn’t involve blacks. UN–look in your own back yard and clean it up before you venture into some one elses country.
 
The black community must bear equal responsibility for this tragedy. The black community has tolerated or at least condoned the culture of lawbreaking that has created the atmosphere of suspicion of black males that exists. If I am going down the street and I observe a group of young black males, I am immediately on guard, because groups of young black males that are dressed a certain way, and behaving in a certain way, have a history of committing mischief. This is not racism, but simple good sense.
I am certain that if I observed a group of young white males, dressed in a certain way, ie: shaved heads, combat boots and wearing “wifebeaters,” I would be alerted and perhaps take anouther route. Am I guilty of prejudice? No, merely excersizing prudence. We owe our survival to rapid first impressions and “fight or flight.” A certain appearance has come to identify certain groups. Hoodies, baggy pants, basketball shoes etc. has come to symbolize particularly black thugs. “Wifebeater” undershirts, baggy pants or shorts, athletic jerseys, headbands etc. have come to mean hispanic thugs and their imitators. Does that mean that ALL kids who dress this way are hoods or criminals? Of course not, but it does mean, that to the casual observer, who may be in danger, that they fly the flag of the enemy. One does not wait to explore deeper, one fights or flees. Black, white and hispanic communities have been guilty of allowing and condoning thug-like dress and thug-like behaviour by their children. The emulation of thug-like dress and thug-like behaviour by young people has led to countless tragedies such as we have seen lately. I certainly feel sorry for parents who lose their children to these atrocities, but they, and the culture at large, must share responsibility.
What’s the bottom line? Do not dress like a thug, do not behave like a thug, do not think like a thug, do not associate with thugs and chances are good that you will not be treated like a thug.Your “self-expression” is certainly not worth your life.
Interesting opinion. Blame the victim. Maybe you’d like to make a list of recommended dress, movement, association and speech for young black males? Apparently the beloved constitution ‘forgot’ to address these specifically…
 
I suppose you can recognize weirdness when you see it, just like you can racism. And that was critical sarcasm.

The Martin’s side will be paid for by taxpayers. The Martins are still free to go to work and make money. The Martins are not fearing for their lives. The Martins do not have a bounty out on their lives. (The Martins are suffering from the death of their son, but I’m only discussing the money part here.) Mrs. Martins has applied for 2 trademarks on her son. http://wvrblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/copyright-trayvon-martin.html

Zimmerman has to pay for his own lawyer. Zimmerman cannot go to work. Zimmerman must hide for his life. Zimmerman cannot get a fair trial under these circumstances unless he makes some money.
The Martins took out a trademark as any parents would whose dead son’s name was being used by others to make money. Similarly Zimmerman has people raising money in his name; maybe he should take out a trademark too.

Considering that the Martins have not been accused of pursuing and shooting anyone’s unarmed child, I would say the differences in earning ability which you list, are entirely natural, fair and appropriate.
 
How would he get a public defender if he hasn’t been charged with anything?
Exactly. That’s one more reason they need to go ahead and charge him already. It’s gonna be done, so do it fast and allow him to access to a public defender.
 
How would he get a public defender if he hasn’t been charged with anything?
Well, assuming the police want to question him or if he goes to trial. He doesn’t actually need a lawyer at the moment; the only thing his lawyers seemed to be doing was launching a media offensive to defend Zimmerman. Not that there is anything with Zimmerman trying to protect his reputation that way, but his lawyers were skirting some ethical boundaries by participating.
 
The Martins took out a trademark as any parents would whose dead son’s name was being used by others to make money. Similarly Zimmerman has people raising money in his name; maybe he should take out a trademark too.

Considering that the Martins have not been accused of pursuing and shooting anyone’s unarmed child, I would say the differences in earning ability which you list, are entirely natural, fair and appropriate.
So if you are accused, in the media, of a crime it is appropriate to have to go into hiding, be in fear for your life, have a bounty put on your head and have to leave your job? All of that is :aok:

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty.
 
Why isn’t the UN looking at the violence shown at European synagogues! Oh, I forgot, that is their own turf. And what about the London riots? Far more violence there as well as the Greek ones, but these didn’t involve blacks. UN–look in your own back yard and clean it up before you venture into some one elses country.
There is violence the world over, does that mean people should just keep quiet? People get shot or blown up everyday, why should attacks on certain people make headlines and others not? I submit it’s because of the who, why, what and when involved. As I recall, we had enough opinions on the violence in Europe that you cite, so why shouldn’t they have opinions on a story broadcast worldwide?

I also believe that talk of general violence is simply obscuring the issue: people are interested because an kid who was minding his own business got killed by someone who was not. Neither victim nor shooter were in settings where one would expect to be killed, so it upsets people who think that if they behave in certain ways and avoid risky situations they can expect to be safe.
 
Hi, CatholicGOPer

There really are specific formum rules that require posters to be at least civil - hopefully charitable - but, at least civil. Calling another poster names (and you have done this on several posts) is offensive to me and not in keeping with the spirit of CAF. If you can not disagree without calling people names, maybe you should consider a time-out.

As a group, we generally tend to focus on a topic from an objective point of view and cite references to back up our claims - and doing all of this without viciousness and acidic responses. This thread is unique in several areas - but, the requirement on all of us is to address the topic from your own point of view in a civil manner.

Please. Everyone can do better.

God bless
You are a perfect example of why kids are all screwed up these days

And BTW: I never mentioned his color, you race baitor

Lujack is a tyical leftwing racebaitor
 
Exactly. That’s one more reason they need to go ahead and charge him already. It’s gonna be done, so do it fast and allow him to access to a public defender.
A public defender is not given unless you cannot afford to pay for one. GZ may lose his house, car and possessions even if innocent.

This go ahead and charge him nonsense is as appropriate as was the go ahead and hang him nonsense was 50 years ago! This is America!:mad:
 
So if you are accused, in the media, of a crime it is appropriate to have to go into hiding, be in fear for your life, have a bounty put on your head and have to leave your job?
If you consider that being in fear for one’s life or having a bounty on your head, is included in “earning ability”, then in your kind of reasoning I guess the answer is, “yes”.
 
A public defender is not given unless you cannot afford to pay for one. GZ may lose his house, car and possessions even if innocent.

This go ahead and charge him nonsense is as appropriate as was the go ahead and hang him nonsense was 50 years ago! This is America!:mad:
Charging someone is equivalent to lynching someone??? In which universe? :confused:

I guess being dead and buried for no reason doesn’t even come close to either?
 
If you consider that being in fear for one’s life or having a bounty on your head, is included in “earning ability”, then in your kind of reasoning I guess the answer is, “yes”.
If there is a bounty on my head and I am in fear for my life, then yes my earning ability is diminished because I must hide. Zimmerman is in hiding. He can’t work at his job because he is in fear for his life.
 
Special prosecutor calling press conferece to “present new information”.

clickorlando.com/news/Corey-to-present-new-information/-/1637132/10452410/-/gx69ei/-/index.html

I’ve asked this several times, but really haven’t received a direct answer.

For those who are calling for Zimmerman to immediately be charged:

If the Special Prosecutor, FBI, and DoJ find in their investigations that there is not enough evidence to charge Zimmerman, will you be satisfied that “justice” has been served??
 
If there is a bounty on my head and I am in fear for my life, then yes my earning ability is diminished because I must hide. Zimmerman is in hiding. He can’t work at his job because he is in fear for his life.
If his defenders are to be believed, he was in hiding even before this hit the fan, so it seems that at his loss of earning ability - at least initially - directly resulted from his ill-advised decisions that fateful night.
 
In the universe with something called due process

You have some proof there was no reason?
And charging a person lies outside of ‘due process’?

Do you have proof there was a reason? Nothing Zimmerman has provided via his defenders leads us to believe there was any reason for him to initiate interaction with Martin. So unless you know something we don’t, I think the 911 call speaks for itself.
 
And charging a person lies outside of ‘due process’?
When it is done due to public outcry, as opposed to investigation, yes, it would be outside of “due process”.

If the Special Prosecutor, FBI, and DoJ find in their investigations that there is not enough evidence to charge Zimmerman, will you be satisfied that “justice” has been served??
 
Interesting opinion. Blame the victim. Maybe you’d like to make a list of recommended dress, movement, association and speech for young black males? Apparently the beloved constitution ‘forgot’ to address these specifically…
Read it again. If you present the appearance of a gangbanger, those who encounter you might reasonably believe that you are one. If you do not want people to regard you as a gangbanger(wait for it) DON’T DRESS LIKE ONE!! Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine.
 
Special prosecutor calling press conferece to “present new information”.

clickorlando.com/news/Corey-to-present-new-information/-/1637132/10452410/-/gx69ei/-/index.html

I’ve asked this several times, but really haven’t received a direct answer.

For those who are calling for Zimmerman to immediately be charged:

If the Special Prosecutor, FBI, and DoJ find in their investigations that there is not enough evidence to charge Zimmerman, will you be satisfied that “justice” has been served??
No, because human life is not so cheap that you can play cops and robbers with someone’s kid and go scot-free when that kid ends up dead. Zimmerman needs to be tried in a court of law.
 
No, because human life is not so cheap that you can play cops and robbers with someone’s kid and go scot-free when that kid ends up dead. Zimmerman needs to be tried in a court of law.
In this hypothetical, charging someone, and bringing them to trial when 3 independent investigations show insufficient evidence to bring charges = due process?? 🤷

That’s purely an emotional response. “A kid died, someone must be punished!”

I have a feeling most wont be satisfied without a conviction, facts be damned.
 
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