Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

[seekerz]

The one in which the DA determined there wasn’t enough evidence to charge, or have the results of a newer investigation been released that I am unaware of.

That one. At a minimum, the parents and the public needed an explanation as to why charges were not filed; to my knowledge that has not been forthcoming. This is simply not justice.

 

[scipio337]

That one. At a minimum, the parents and the public needed an explanation as to why charges were not filed; to my knowledge that has not been forthcoming. This is simply not justice.

Which is why there are no less than 3 independent investigations occuring right now.

I just can’t understand how you can say that should these 3 other investigations find no crime has been committed how you can charge and try a man, and call it “justice”.

 

[seekerz]

No, they are the same. Both eliminate due process.

Gave up feeling puzzled, just going to enjoy the incongruities now…

 

[iamrefreshed]

These were my words and I fully stand by them. The investigatory step was completed weeks ago by the police - now all that is needed is the filing of charges, followed by a trial. That is due process. If the initial investigation had been properly handled, this case would not be the big issue that it is.

Yes, the police investigated, the DA did not file charges. Due process was fufilled. Now you want that eliminated because you don’t care for the results.

 

[seekerz]

Yes, the police investigated, the DA did not file charges. Due process was fufilled. Now you want that eliminated because you don’t care for the results.

Justice doesn’t simply have to be done - it has to be seen to be done. On what basis were charges not filed, do you know?

 

[seekerz]

On another note, what’s up with Zimmerman and his lawyers? More non-conformist drama or a leap off the sinking ship?

 

[catharina]

There is violence the world over, does that mean people should just keep quiet? People get shot or blown up everyday, why should attacks on certain people make headlines and others not? I submit it’s because of the who, why, what and when involved. As I recall, we had enough opinions on the violence in Europe that you cite, so why shouldn’t they have opinions on a story broadcast worldwide?

I also believe that talk of general violence is simply obscuring the issue: **people are interested because an kid who was minding his own business got killed by someone who was not. **Neither victim nor shooter were in settings where one would expect to be killed, so it upsets people who think that if they behave in certain ways and avoid risky situations they can expect to be safe.

Very well said.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Justice doesn’t simply have to be done - it has to be seen to be done. On what basis were charges not filed, do you know?

Actually, it’s not my business to know but there is only one reason for charges not to be filed. There is insufficient evidence to file charges. That’s how we do it in America.

 

[seekerz]

Which is why there are no less than 3 independent investigations occuring right now.

I just can’t understand how you can say that should these 3 other investigations find no crime has been committed how you can charge and try a man, and call it “justice”.

Good; now all that remains is to keep up the same public pressure which got those 3 investigations started in the first place - just to make sure they are properly and expeditiously conducted.

It doesn’t take 3 probes - actually just a drop of commonsense will do - to deduce that in the absence of an eye witness to the confrontation, this case needs to go to a jury.

 

[catharina]

A public defender is not given unless you cannot afford to pay for one. GZ may lose his house, car and possessions even if innocent.

Indeed - just as Trayvon Marin lost his life, even if innocent.

This go ahead and charge him nonsense is as appropriate as was the go ahead and hang him nonsense was 50 years ago! This is America!

 

[scipio337]

Good; now all that remains is to keep up the same public pressure which got those 3 investigations started in the first place - just to make sure they are properly and expeditiously conducted.

It doesn’t take 3 probes - actually just a drop of commonsense will do - to deduce that in the absence of an eye witness to the confrontation, this case needs to go to a jury.

But you are putting the horse before the cart, deducing that charges should be filed, and a trial take place before the investigations determine so.

If you try a man who has committed no crime, that’s not “justice”.

Law enforcement investigation is all part of “due process”. If we do as you propose, why don’t we just throw out the due process requirements for search warrants or coerced confessions, while we’re at it?

 

[seekerz]

Actually, it’s not my business to know but there is only one reason for charges not to be filed. There is insufficient evidence to file charges. That’s how we do it in America.

In America, after investigations are released, every detail of every second of every event or incident is dissected on national television for weeks and months. That’s because the justice system ***owes ***the public explanations of decisions affecting life and limb. What makes this case the exception to the rule?

 

[seekerz]

But you are putting the horse before the cart, deducing that charges should be filed, and a trial take place before the investigations determine so.

If you try a man who has committed no crime, that’s not “justice”.

Law enforcement investigation is all part of “due process”. If we do as you propose, why don’t we just throw out the due process requirements for search warrants or coerced confessions, while we’re at it?

I feel like a broken record, but here goes: at least one investigation has already been completed. Had it been properly conducted, we wouldn’t still be stuck at this stage and the public pressure will not let up until this stalled truck gets moving again.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I don’t know how a case could go any worse. I’m astounded.

 

[iamrefreshed]

In America, after investigations are released, every detail of every second of every event or incident is dissected on national television for weeks and months. That’s because the justice system ***owes ***the public explanations of decisions affecting life and limb. What makes this case the exception to the rule?

This is not an exception. Unless by exception you mean people calling for trials without sufficient evidence?

 

[Dawnia]

I think its very different to say “This man should go to trial to determine his guilt or innocence, because there is enough evidence that he may well be guilty” than to say “Kill him now!”

Guilty of what exactly? Different charges have different elements that have to be met. Jumping the gun and charging Zimmerman with the wrong charge will have the same outcome as not charging him at all.

 

[scipio337]

I feel like a broken record, but here goes: at least one investigation has already been completed. Had it been properly conducted, we wouldn’t still be stuck at this stage and the public pressure will not let up until this stalled truck gets moving again.

I too feel like a broken record, but here goes again:

One investigation that has taken place, and did not find sufficient evidence to charge. There are 3 ongoing investigations that will determine if the 1st was properly conducted, and if criminal charges should be filed.

A criminal charge and trial is NOT “justice” if the additional 3 investigations do not find reason to charge, regardless of public pressure.

Period.

 

[iamrefreshed]

I feel like a broken record, but here goes: at least one investigation has already been completed. Had it been properly conducted, we wouldn’t still be stuck at this stage and the public pressure will not let up until this stalled truck gets moving again.

First you are complaining about not knowing about the details of the investigation then you claim knowledge of it enough to state it was not properly conducted.

 

[seekerz]

This is not an exception.

So why can’t you and I switch on the TV and hear discussions of the basis for the DA not charging Zimmerman?

 

[seekerz]

First you are complaining about not knowing about the details of the investigation then you claim knowledge of it enough to state it was not properly conducted.

I know enough (based on what information has been released) to conclude that he should have been charged; what I do not know is the reason the DA decided not to charge.