Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

[seekerz]

What they need is more people like you and they will find a way.

Thank you. I live in hope…deep down most people want to do the right thing, we just don’t always know how.

 

[Cider]

I hope the District Attorney’s office down there is a good one and they assemble good prosecuting attornery’s who are good at what they do and get a conviction. God only knows what type of civil disobedince that could result in the event Zimmerman is found not guilty.

Really? Your main concern is that he is convicted to avoid a riot? What about a fair trial where the truth ( whatever it is) comes out and the truth IE justice being served?

 

[rlg94086]

What “actions” did Trayvon project, that we know of. And no, that does not include looking "like he’s on drugs’ as that is obviously not an action.

“That we know of” is the key phrase. None of us were there. Whatever actions/looks Zimmerman noticed prompted him to call it in. What he saw is irrelevant to what transpired after that call.

 

[seekerz]

Really? Your main concern is that he is convicted to avoid a riot? What about a fair trial where the truth ( whatever it is) comes out and the truth IE justice being served?

It’s been some time since I’ve been in close contact with a history book, but I’d like to know at what point ‘civil disobedience’ became equivalent to ‘riot’? I ask because this comparison has been made before by other posters. Weren’t several heroic historical figures involved in the former as distinct from the latter?

 

[rlg94086]

If a man approached you with a gun after following you for several blocks, at night, and started accosting you, I would not fault you for defending yourself.

This assumes, without evidence, that the individual being followed knew the follower had a gun.

 

[seekerz]

“That we know of” is the key phrase. None of us were there. Whatever actions/looks Zimmerman noticed prompted him to call it in. What he saw is irrelevant to what transpired after that call.

How can you make that judgment if you don’t know what he saw?

 

[vz71]

I hope the District Attorney’s office down there is a good one and they assemble good prosecuting attornery’s who are good at what they do and get a conviction. God only knows what type of civil disobedince that could result in the event Zimmerman is found not guilty.

Are you advocating a conviction based upon the consequences of an ‘not guilty’ verdict?

I should hope the decision is handed down based upon the evidence.

 

[vz71]

Not that we’re a team or anything, but Lujack did begin his statement with “If”…

True enough.

I suspect because without that piece of information the logic simply does not hold water.

I doubt Trayvon knew of the weapon.

 

[rlg94086]

I hope the District Attorney’s office down there is a good one and they assemble good prosecuting attornery’s who are good at what they do and get a conviction. God only knows what type of civil disobedince that could result in the event Zimmerman is found not guilty.

Personally, I hope that justice is served. That may mean a conviction or an acquittal. I don’t hope for a conviction if the man is not guilty.

 

[ringil]

Why don’t both of you guys just take a chill pill???

Seriously. Don’t even post in this thread for like 5 minutes.

Wellone of them took a chill pill.

 

[garn9173]

Are you advocating a conviction based upon the consequences of an ‘not guilty’ verdict?

I should hope the decision is handed down based upon the evidence.

No, I hope Zimmerman has a fair trial, but given the rheortic that has been in the media for those who support Trayvon Martin, i’m just worried about the reaction if a not-guilty verdict is found.

 

[Dawnia]

Stopping and looking around is projecting some sort of suspicious impression? Thankfully, where I live that sort of action is typical of people trying to get their bearings in an unfamiliar environment or simply someone* trying to determine if they are being followed*…

You must lead a sheltered life. You are so lucky.

Yes stopping and looking around can appear suspicious, especially in a crime ridden area. Have you never seen kids look around to make sure no one is looking before they do something they shouldn’t?

 

[rlg94086]

How can you make that judgment if you don’t know what he saw?

Because he called to report suspicious activity. Making a call to report suspicious activity doesn’t cause someone’s death. The confrontation, in whatever way it unfolded, led to the unfortunate death.

 

[vz71]

Exactly!
Nothing suspicious about it in any State, city, town where I’ve lived.

Nothing suspicious in the activity as described.
But I somehow doubt that Zimmerman was suspicious of an activity that is not suspicious.

There was more going on. We will eventually hear what that is.

Perhaps there was a history of crimes in the area. Anyone that is not a familiar face in the neighborhood would immediately be under suspicion.

 

[vz71]

No, I hope Freeman has a fair trial, but given the rheortic that has been in the media for those who support Trayvon Martin, i’m just worried about the reaction if a not-guilty verdict is found.

I am more worried of a conviction based on the media pressure over the evidence.

 

[Lujack]

You must lead a sheltered life. You are so lucky.

Yes stopping and looking around can appear suspicious, especially in a crime ridden area. Have you never seen kids look around to make sure no one is looking before they do something they shouldn’t?

You know, I don’t disagree with you that such things can look suspicious, and can be grounds for calling 911. The issue arrives when we come to the question of whether or not that’s enough to initiate direct confrontation. I think that if you are an untrained private citizen, you should be pretty confidence that someone else (or yourself) is in danger of harm before trying to do the job of people who are trained to do it.

Jumping to conclusions on a 911 call is all well and good; that’s what’s it there for. Outside of that realm, though, things get trickier.

 

[Cider]

No, I hope Freeman has a fair trial, but given the rheortic that has been in the media for those who support Trayvon Martin, i’m just worried about the reaction if a not-guilty verdict is found.

Who is Freeman?

 

[garn9173]

Who is Freeman?

D’oh, Zimmerman

 

[Cider]

You know, I don’t disagree with you that such things can look suspicious, and can be grounds for calling 911. The issue arrives when we come to the question of whether or not that’s enough to initiate direct confrontation. I think that if you are an untrained private citizen, you should be pretty confidence that someone else (or yourself) is in danger of harm before trying to do the job of people who are trained to do it.

Jumping to conclusions on a 911 call is all well and good; that’s what’s it there for. Outside of that realm, though, things get trickier.

We don’t know for sure who initiated the confrontation. I’ve heard conflicting reports. AFAIK there is no actual witness to the initial confrontation, other than Zimmerman. The neighbor only saw it after it was happening.

 

[seekerz]

Because he called to report suspicious activity. Making a call to report suspicious activity doesn’t cause someone’s death. The confrontation, in whatever way it unfolded, led to the unfortunate death.

Who set into motion the events that resulted in the confrontation?