Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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rlg94086 said:
All valid points, but I still enjoy the shows - not Miami though. I like the original and NY. If its a problem for prosecutors, that is unfortunate, but there is not much any of us can do about it. …other than complain. 🙂
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The issue is not whether the shows are entertaining or whether you personally enjoy them. The issue is that criminals may be being acquitted because the expectations have been unrealistically raised through the fiction of television.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
The issue is not whether the shows are entertaining or whether you personally enjoy them. The issue is that criminals may be being acquitted because the expectations have been unrealistically raised through the fiction of television.
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And… What do you intend be done about it? Ban the shows? Boycott?

We’ve got the complaining down. 😃
 
rlg94086 said:
I mentioned it in one post, and it was hardly “lethal.” Now, you are chasing after me…maybe a dispatcher needs to step in and tell you it’s not necessary. 😛

We are off topic. if you wish to start a vendetta against me, you will have to start another thread.
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Accusing me of being “vindictive” is quite lethal.
You must certainly know that.

For now, please don’t stir things up with such an ugly accusation.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
No, speculating.

750 posts when NO ONE here knows what happened? Really? But most people are willing to guess what happened and convict Mr. Zimmerman before he’d even been charged. Just about everyone I encounter has an opinion, although we have personally seen NONE of the evidence and what we have seen and heard has been PURPOSELY altered to make Mr. Zimmerman appear to be a racist.

I have to state again: NO ONE knows what happened that night. Zimmerman has his account. Martin is dead. The witnesses saw only part of it. But lots of people are willing to believe that they DO know what happened.
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Juliane, this is Post # 4700+ in the Trayvon threads.
I’m waiting to hear what the girlfriend says to lawyers - or in court.
 
catharina said:
Accusing me of being “vindictive” is quite lethal.
You must certainly know that.

For now, please don’t stir things up with such an ugly accusation.
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Actually, I find the whole discussion boring, unproductive and off-topic. Please cease and desist.

PS “Lethal?” "I don’t think that word means what you think it means. 🙂 - Princess Bride
 
tqualey said:
Hi, Seekerz,

You will be pleased to know that Florida Special Prosecutor Angela Corey has charged Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder. He will have his day in court and be judged by a jury of his peer to determine his guilt or innocence - and we will eventually know the facts of what took place.

God bless
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One can now hope that the nation will learn more facts
of what actually took place - including the report of T’s ‘listening’ girlfriend.
 
estesbob said:
Perhaps he will plea bargain for manslaughter and no jail time.
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I have a tough time imagining that the prosecutor will accept a plea of no jail time unless they see their own case collapsing around them. For her at that point it might even be preferable to try it and lose than to be the one who publicly accepts that plea bargain.

Short jail time I can see, but if you pressed me to make a prediction I think that if Zimmerman wants to not go to jail, he needs to be found not guilty; I don’t think he can get there on a plea.

Of course, what do I know?
 
rlg94086 said:
PS “Lethal?” "I don’t think that word means what you think it means. 🙂 - Princess Bride
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Princes Bride means nothing to me -
except that you and I must have different interests.

Good bye. God bless.
 
tqualey said:
Hi, SwizzleStick,

While this did not exactly surprise me … it was interesting to actually read this. Here is a quote:

"A prominent professor at Vanderbilt University is defending remarks made recently by a Southern Baptist official in connection with the Trayvon Martin killing in Florida.

Leading public policy expert for the Southern Baptist Convention, Dr. Richard Land, said on his national radio show recently that civil rights advocates Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are creating what he called a “mob mentality” and that President Barack Obama is using the killing for his own political gain.

“This will be vetted in court, not in a mob mentality that’s been juiced up by Al Sharpton, who is a provocateur and a racial ambulance chaser of the first order, and aided and abetted by Jesse Jackson,” Land said. And on Obama’s statement that, if he had a son, the son would look like the 17-year-old shooting victim, Land stated: “The president’s aides claim he was showing compassion for the victim’s family. In reality, he poured gasoline on the racialist fires.”

Carol M. Swain, a professor of political science and law at Vanderbilt University, tells OneNewsNow that she sees nothing wrong with Land’s comments.

“All of the media publicity and the interviews and almost like the non-stop coverage has done nothing but really cause people to polarize into camps,” she observes, describing those camps as “those who are defending Zimmerman and those who feel like they have to get justice for Trayvon.”

God bless
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Right on, Richard. 👍
 
catharina said:
Juliane, this is Post # 4700+ in the Trayvon threads.
I’m waiting to hear what the girlfriend says to lawyers - or in court.
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:eek:

You’re kidding.

No, never mind, you’re not kidding. This is ridiculous. How many black on black murders have taken place since this incident happened? How many black on white? Why is this one case so darn special that it merits this kind of attention? Why does it matter so much?

The Trayvons the Left Forgot
 
Lujack said:
I have a tough time imagining that the prosecutor will accept a plea of no jail time unless they see their own case collapsing around them. For her at that point it might even be preferable to try it and lose than to be the one who publicly accepts that plea bargain.

Short jail time I can see, but if you pressed me to make a prediction I think that if Zimmerman wants to not go to jail, he needs to be found not guilty; I don’t think he can get there on a plea.

Of course, what do I know?
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It seems that the first hurdle, if GZ claims Stand Your Ground, that it has to get past a judge in order to proceed to trial.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
:eek:

You’re kidding.

No, never mind, you’re not kidding. This is ridiculous. How many black on black murders have taken place since this incident happened? How many black on white? Why is this one case so darn special that it merits this kind of attention? Why does it matter so much?
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Juliane, my guess?
Race has little to do with the central issue.
Race is an add-on for extremists.

At issue, a teen who was a welcome guest on a property was shot
and killed by an un unappointed/untrained neighborhood watchman.
The Sanford Neighborhood Watch group never checked in with the national
group that was formed by sheriffs in the USA. The national group promotes
“NO FOLLOWING” as its watchword. The Sanford group is not under that
umbrella. So, dilemma: is it open season on unknown teens in Sanford?

My answer? I don’t know.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
:eek:

You’re kidding.

No, never mind, you’re not kidding. This is ridiculous. How many black on black murders have taken place since this incident happened? How many black on white? Why is this one case so darn special that it merits this kind of attention? Why does it matter so much?

The Trayvons the Left Forgot
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Why is there an obsession on the right with “black on black murders”? Had George Zimmerman been promptly arrested, had it been obvious that the police had conducted a wholehearted investigation…the case would have faded into the local news stories. It became a national issue not because of the tragic nature of the killing, but because a man had shot a teenager dead and it seemed that there was not a proper investigation into it.

That isn’t a factor in other cases. Even if it was, I find the “why do you care so much about this death?” a rather distasteful tactic.
 
catharina said:
Juliane, my guess?
Race has little to do with the central issue.
Race is an add-on for extremists.

At issue, a teen who was a welcome guest on a property was shot
and killed by an un unappointed/untrained neighborhood watchman.
The Sanford Neighborhood Watch group never checked in with the national
group that was formed by sheriffs in the USA. The national group promotes
“NO FOLLOWING” as its watchword. The Sanford group is not under that
umbrella. So, dilemma: is it open season on unknown teens in Sanford?

My answer? I don’t know.
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If Martin had not been black or if Zimmerman had been black, we would never have heard about this case. The *only *reason we have heard about it outside FL is the races of the two people involved. The injustice being claimed is that Zimmerman was “let off” because he was “white” and Martin black.
 
Lujack said:
I have a tough time imagining that the prosecutor will accept a plea of no jail time unless they see their own case collapsing around them. For her at that point it might even be preferable to try it and lose than to be the one who publicly accepts that plea bargain.

Short jail time I can see, but if you pressed me to make a prediction I think that if Zimmerman wants to not go to jail, he needs to be found not guilty; I don’t think he can get there on a plea.

Of course, what do I know?
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Depends on how strong the Prosecutors case is. Prosecutors always overcharge
 
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