Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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vz71 said:
Source?

You have been corrected on this error many times, yet you insist upon it.

Who was the authority? When was he told not to follow?
And can you document any of this?

This story is rife with untruths, half-truths, and some truths.
The last thing we all want or need is someone trying to spread more of the untruths.
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Really? Agreed.
 
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catharina:
I am also a female, and I know my own limitations. Males are much less likely to respond in the same way to an observed threat.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
Really. I guess I’ll try to get them to appear at the Republican National Convention in support of the nominee then.

:rolleyes:
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Anti-war is their real rallying cry. The only way the pinkies show up in Tampa in support of the nominee is if that nominee is Ron Paul, and the GOP is not going to let that happen, so…
 
Cider said:
No kidding. Can we please just stick to the facts as we know them. Clearly some just want a conviction and aren’t even willing to hear the defenses side. That is not how the justice system works. If you aren’t even willing to hear the defense then you have proven you are prejudiced in this case. We need a fair trial not a lynch mob.
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**There it is again.
Inflammatory rhetoric -
“a lynch mob.” **

Really?
 
catharina said:
You’re quite correct.
He was told ‘not necessary to follow.’
Other poster inisisted I’d said Z was told to ‘stand down.’
Never happened.

We could simply dismantle the 911 system
if people believe 911 has no authority.
Rather certain that will not happen.
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No, I have quoted you again, below. And what you posted here, is not correct. Zimmerman was not told “do not follow.” He was told " we do not need you to do that." Of course there is no evidence that Zimmerman continued to follow. In fact, on the 911 tape, he answered “okay” as if he stopped following.

I would hope that people do understand that police dispatchers have no authority. Since they don’t. That doesn’t mean that we dismantle the 911 system. That simply means that I don’t have to follow their directions.
catharina said:
Not to mention the facts:
he was told ‘do NOT follow’
and
he had no plans to offer assistance
to this “suspicious” person.
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Scott_Lafrance said:
Anti-war is their real rallying cry. The only way the pinkies show up in Tampa in support of the nominee is if that nominee is Ron Paul, and the GOP is not going to let that happen, so…
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LOL oh the GOP won’t let it happen. It has nothing to do with abysmal delegate count, right?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
It is for these reasons why I advocated against the formation of a “formal” neighborhood watch program where I live. I’ll be damned if I am going to spend time and put myself at risk trying to protect my neighborhood from crime if the police are going to tell me to not to protect myself and not to keep an eye on suspicious people that I see.
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Well, we also have a paid contract with constables who are in the area and respond within minutes, usually fewer than 5 minutes, so I don’t feel that way. I am happy to just watch and not feel that I am in charge of protecting the neighborhood. If we didn’t have the private contract, I would probably feel as you do.

And we CAN keep an eye on anyone suspicious, sorry if I put that wrong. I make the decision for MYSELF not to stay in the area so I can stay out of the way of police action. I would stay nearby if possible, without drawing suspicion to myself. To me, this is just common sense because I know my limitations as a female. If I see someone suspicious, then that person may have a weapon, may be unstable, may in fact shoot at me if he feels threatened. I don’t want to lose my life because some fool came into my neighborhood. Not worth it, IMO. That’s my judgment call. My neighborhood is not a high crime area either.
 
Cider said:
No kidding. Can we please just stick to the facts as we know them. Clearly some just want a conviction and aren’t even willing to hear the defenses side. That is not how the justice system works. If you aren’t even willing to hear the defense then you have proven you are prejudiced in this case. We need a fair trial not a lynch mob.
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I agree. Is it any surprise that the prosecutor has a TEAM of people in a case that requires only a first and second chair? Praying with Trayvon’s family? Really, I thought that prosecutors were officers of the court and were responsible for seeking justice for everyone, not just one part of the equation. And what about all of the cases that these prosecutors were pulled off to support this Zimmerman witch hunt? Where is the justice for the victims of all those other crimes? And second degree homicide? Really? Intentional killing? How does that square with the fact that Zimmerman was on the phone with 911 before the altercation takes place? I have a feeling that the prosecutor’s office is going to loose this case and very well get brought up on charges of prosecutorial misconduct and the state is going to get sued when the case is either dismissed, Zimmerman is acquitted, or there is a hung jury.

We will see how many people want “realy justice” if Zimmerman is acquitted of all wrongdoing and allowed to walk free.

This case is about gun control, race baiting, and “Stand Your Ground” laws. Trayvon Martin is just a convenient poster child for it. Which is sad, because he was someone’s son, someone’s boyfriend and he is being turned into a prop for the New Black Panthers, the Martin Family Memorial Apparel business, Al Sharptons race aggitation work, and Michael Bloomberg’s War on Guns.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I agree. Is it any surprise that the prosecutor has a TEAM of people in a case that requires only a first and second chair? Praying with Trayvon’s family? Really, I thought that prosecutors were officers of the court and were responsible for seeking justice for everyone, not just one part of the equation. And what about all of the cases that these prosecutors were pulled off to support this Zimmerman witch hunt? Where is the justice for the victims of all those other crimes? And second degree homicide? Really? Intentional killing? How does that square with the fact that Zimmerman was on the phone with 911 before the altercation takes place? I have a feeling that the prosecutor’s office is going to loose this case and very well get brought up on charges of prosecutorial misconduct and the state is going to get sued when the case is either dismissed, Zimmerman is acquitted, or there is a hung jury.
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But that won’t help Zimmerman. He’s a hunted man, either way.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I agree. Is it any surprise that the prosecutor has a TEAM of people in a case that requires only a first and second chair? Praying with Trayvon’s family? Really, I thought that prosecutors were officers of the court and were responsible for seeking justice for everyone, not just one part of the equation.

We will see how many people want “realy justice” if Zimmerman is acquitted of all wrongdoing and allowed to walk free.

This case is about gun control, race baiting, and “Stand Your Ground” laws. Trayvon Martin is just a convenient poster child for it. Which is sad, because he was someone’s son, someone’s boyfriend and he is being turned into a prop for the New Black Panthers, the Martin Family Memorial Apparel business, Al Sharptons race aggitation work, and Michael Bloomberg’s War on Guns.
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ITA that his death is being used by many to further their political agendas.

I was really disconcerted when Angela Corey repeatly said " justice for Trayvon" at the press conference. This should be about seeking the truth, whatever that truth is.
 
vz71 said:
I find her vocabulary very odd.
Is there a lawyer is working with her on prepared statements?
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I noticed that at one point (not in this article) she said “they” killed my son and “they” are trying to ruin his reputation. In that instance, she may have just been speaking imprecisely because of this awful time in her life, because of her awful loss. Too, maybe on some level she feels that rather than one man, or possibly two, being responsible, “they” are responsible for her loss. I don’t know. I noticed that instance and wondered about it. But, she just told us that she thinks it was an accident, which may help this nation go toward healing.

In this article the small thing I did notice as a mom was the use of “that that” rather than “that he” or “that Trayvon,” but I think that usage may have helped her get the words out without tears. All I know is that I wouldn’t want my own vocabulary scrutinized because my vocabulary and grammar just aren’t that good. 🙂

I would guess she has an attorney helping her with prepared statements because that would make sense, but that is pure speculation on my part. Bottom line, the vocabulary didn’t give me pause.
 
Cider said:
ITA that his death is being used by many to further their political agendas.

I was really disconcerted when Angela Corey repeatly said " justice for Trayvon" at the press conference. This should be about seeking the truth, whatever that truth is.
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Exactly. She is already guilty of prosecutorial misconduct by polluting and poisoning the potential jury pool. The defense is going to eat this up. He is going to push for venue changes and he is could make a case for prosecutorial jury tampering.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
When Zimmerman is cleared of 2nd degree manslaughter charges, you will see what this whole things was all about.
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The civil suit won’t go as well for him, however, but as he seems to not have a pot to **** in, there’ll be nothing to collect.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
The civil suit won’t go as well for him, however, but as he seems to not have a pot to **** in, there’ll be nothing to collect.
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The recent evidence and the self-confessed misconduct of the media makes me think that the civil suit isn’t a gimme.
 
Have to wait and see, once the Bond issue is first resolved, then we shall see the next phase of the court proceedings. From there its play by play action on the News once again. 🤷

I suspect they will set the Bond today, for sure before the weekend, which I do not know if this will be to Zimmermans delight. I highly doubt it.

“My hope is that the judge will grant a bond, and that it’ll be a bond that the family can make,” attorney Mark O’Mara said Wednesday. “They are not a family of means.”

That will fall on deaf ears. Since the Bond will reflect the charge.

IMO Murder II is a tough charge in this case. Which would lead me to believe the DA has a solid case. I could be mistaken also.

Not Guilty obviously would require Trial. Personally I don’t see this happening. 2 cents please.

Now if Mr Zimmerman wants to go with Self Defense, Innocent, Victim etc and Roll the Dice, may he have excellent representation and Good Fortune that day.

I have no-issue how this ends.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
Really. I guess I’ll try to get them to appear at the Republican National Convention in support of the nominee then.
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I doubt they would go that far. But they do offer their services to lawyers who are willing to pay them to protest on behalf of their client.
 
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