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Mickey_Finn
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Yes it is.
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Mickey_Finn
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While this fellow has had some minor brushes with the law. The article also states that he was involved in catching a thief, and helped solve many crimes. His aspiration seems to have been law enforcement. The point being, his intent seemed to be to do good. We always look at the intent.
Some here have pointed out that Trayvon was a minor, a child even. But, they fail to mention that minors, or children if you prefer. Go out of their way to look like gang bangers. “Thuging?”
They dress that way. They talk that way. And, like Mr. Zimmerman in that bar, they disrespect authority. This is what comes of it.
Don’t be distracted by the media hype. Mr. Zimmerman should stand trial if the law says so. Not because some professional instigators, and alot of sheep, are bleating.
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havana1
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If the police had done their job and arrested this vigilante (it’s not uncommon to detain a suspect without filing any charges), he would obviously be in protective custody and would not have to worry about death threats. Now, it’s too late for that.
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havana1
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By “we,” do you mean law enforcement or people in general? The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I don’t want to live in a Wild West society where vigilante wannabe Billy The Kid types around playing cops and robbers at the expense of public safety. Any word on whether this vigilante even had a CCW permit for his firearm or if he did “neighborhood watch” with the cooperation of any local law enforcement agencies?
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gilliam
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We have extremely little information that has been placed in the public domain on this case. I can’t see how anyone can condemn anyone based upon what is known at this point.
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L_piperatus
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As a “white Hispanic” (this is how the Associated Press calls him), he is also guilty of being white regardless of anything else, as far as followers of Black Liberation Theology are concerned. The case of Beat Whitey Night at the Iowa State Fair in 2010, and recently (February 2012) the attack during which the 13-year old boy Allen Coon was doused with gasoline and set on fire, demonstrate this attitude.
In 2010 at the Iowa State Fair, a flash mob of African-American youth attacked and beat up white Fair-goers who peacefully attended the Fair and did nothing to provoke the attackers. The attackers were saying it was “Beat Whitey Night”. The Iowa Police Department investigated and concluded that the attacks of Beat Whitey Night were not racially motivated. The Reverend Al Sharpton never said a peep to condemn the violence at the Iowa State Fair. President Obama never addressed the issue.
Regarding the fire attack on 13-y.o. Allen Coon, see this - quote:
March 7, 2012
Was Boy in K.C. Fire Attack a Victim of His School’s Racist Teaching?
By Selwyn Duke
As has already been reported, Allen was a victim of a vicious racial attack last week in which two older black teens doused him with gasoline and set him alight, saying, “This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy.” Not surprisingly, Coon has pulled her son out of East High and, concerned about further racial violence, intends to leave the K.C. area.
While this crime is making headlines, Coon states that it was merely the horrible culmination of continual racial harassment her son had to endure at East High. Moreover, after conducting an investigation that included extensive interviews with parents and students, I’ve learned that Coon’s son is not alone. Other white students also report a pattern of racial harassment at the high school at the hands of their peers – and, shockingly, their teachers.
Two of these victims were the twin 14-year-old daughters (first names withheld upon request) of Karin Wildeisen. Ever since their family relocated from Texas, they had endured racial animosity in the Kansas City school system and inappropriate behavior by staff, which included teachers laughing while boys humiliatingly manhandled the girls and a teacher slapping one of them on the backside. But there was far worse to come.
The twins started coming home and talking about the goings-on in an advanced-English class taught by a teacher Wildeisen identifies as Ms. Veda Monday. Wildeisen said that her daughters told her, “There are four white kids in the class; they are being targeted racially.” They said that Monday, who is black, was feeding the class racial material, about which Wildeisen notes, “She’s teaching advanced English; she has no reason to be teaching civil rights.”
But then there was the straw that broke the camel’s back. One day, Monday allegedly showed an explicit film involving portrayals of whites lynching blacks and then, reports ex-Texan Wildeisen, “in front of the class attacked my daughters, telling them that ‘everybody from Texas is ignorant rednecks’” and that all white people were “responsible for Jasper because [their] skin is white.” This reference is to an atrocity in Jasper, TX, in which three white men murdered a black man in 1998.
Where would a teacher get the idea that all whites are responsible for the Jasper tragedy? It’s not hard to figure out. Black liberation theology (BLT) instructs…
Read more: americanthinker.com/2012/03/was_boy_in_kc_fire_attack_a_victim_of_his_schools_racist_teaching.html#ixzz1q2r3Ms6I
I wish Rev. Al Sharpton, and President Obama would address what happened to Allen Coon, and what’s going on at East High in Kansas City.
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ringil
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This “New Black Panther Party”, which is not the same as the larger historical one, is certainly a fringe, small, racist, and anti-semitic group using this event to further their aims of racial divisiveness. It is not helpful, though it is characteristic, to focus on the fringe activities of a bombastic group to further one’s picture of what is going on here.
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catharina
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Yet Trayvon Martin, an actual child, had no prior “minor brushes with the law.”While this fellow has had some minor brushes with the law. The article also states that he was involved in catching a thief, and helped solve many crimes. His aspiration seems to have been law enforcement. The point being, his intent seemed to be to do good. We always look at the intent.
Some here have pointed out that Trayvon was a minor, a child even. But, they fail to mention that minors, or children if you prefer. Go out of their way to look like gang bangers. “Thuging?”
They dress that way. They talk that way. And, like Mr. Zimmerman in that bar, they disrespect authority. This is what comes of it.
Don’t be distracted by the media hype. Mr. Zimmerman should stand trial if the law says so. Not because some professional instigators, and alot of sheep, are bleating.
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SouthCatholic
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Since it’s been brought up in this thread, I will say it again. The Coon and Martin cases are not comparable.
In the Coon case the perpetrators were arrested and the family is getting justice. In the Martin case, the police did less than a cursory investigation and let a murderer walk free. Were it not for the public outcry, there would be no investigation of Martin’s death. If anything, the two cases illustrate that white families get justice while black families STILL have to fight for justice.
In the Coon case the perpetrators were arrested and the family is getting justice. In the Martin case, the police did less than a cursory investigation and let a murderer walk free. Were it not for the public outcry, there would be no investigation of Martin’s death. If anything, the two cases illustrate that white families get justice while black families STILL have to fight for justice.
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SouthCatholic
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And actually, the ones offering the bounty are not affiliated with the “official” New Black Panther Party so they are even more fringe.
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prodigalson2011
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THIS. The defending of this man’s childish “cops and robbers” routine, I must admit, makes me a little angry. He is NOT a professional law enforcement officer, and his behavior was bound to get someone hurt eventually.
Also, the constant reference to the gasoline attack. Can we not stoop to the level of making this an us and them, black vs. white issue? Regardless of whether some others are doing it or not. I am 100% percent certain the investigation in that case is not going to result in the attackers being let go without charges. There is no equivocating the 2 cases.
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prodigalson2011
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Yep.
Deny it all you want, folks, but racism is still very real, and blacks are outnumbered in this country almost 9 to 1.
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SouthCatholic
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They didn’t even have to arrest him. They didn’t do the basics of what they would do in a normal shooting. They didn’t run a ballistics test on the gun. They didn’t order a full autopsy to determine the trajectory at which the bullet entered the child’s body. They didn’t test for gun residue on both Martin and Zimmerman’s hands to determine if there was a struggle over the gun. They did not keep Zimmerman’s clothing as evidence that there were blood and grass stains on his clothes. They did not take pictures of Zimmerman’s alleged injuries.
Also, the original police report did not mention injuries to Zimmerman. That was edited and added later. When they added it, they said he was treated in the squad car and released. Now, he supposedly has a broken nose. Where are the medical reports from a doctor confirming that Zimmerman’s nose was broken?
The police completely botched this case from start to finish because they took a white murderer’s word that he killed a black child in self-defense!
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SouthCatholic
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So, in other words, you choose not to answer all of the questions! That does not change the fact that those questions are there.
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Scott_Lafrance
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I case you didn’t know, Billy the Kid was a criminal, not a vigilante cop-wannabe.
He had a valid CCW permit, so he was perfectly within his right to be carrying his firearm wherever he was. And, if the stories that have been reported are true, he has actually helped the police on at least one occasion. I am not defending this guys actions, but I’m not going to just stand around while people instigate the situation. Justice will be served, either criminally if it is warranted, or civilly through the family. If nothing happens criminally or civilly, I guess we are going to have to accept that maybe, just maybe, Zimmerman is not guilty of anything. Screeching about it isn’t going to change that.
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JustaServant
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And the “wild West” was not as violent a period as popular cuture depicts. I hate that comparison.
In fact we are probably more violent as a society today. On the frontier many people used and respected firearms. Even with kids who walked to school, there was at least one of those older kids who had a firearm of some sort for protection.
Think about it. 130 years ago more people owned firearms with less violence.
Today we have more violence with less firearms.
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IAGladfelter
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Don’t you agree that a “stand your ground law” / “shoot first law” / “wild west law” as it was called by some when being considered by the Florida legislature sets things up for vigilantes and makes tragedies like this inevitable?
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Bubba_Switzler
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This is absolutely correct but I think to emphasize your last (unnumbered) point: What the lynch mob seems to forget is that to convict someone of a crime in this country requires evidence of guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. The police and DA are not simply guessing about what might have happened, as some theorize, but whether they are likely to gain a successful conviction based on the evidence. Lacking the evidence to convict they will rightly choose not to indict.
That’s the way the law works but, of course, that’s not the way the mob works.
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Dawnia
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It depends on how the law is worded.
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62Joy
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Statistics show that a black person is 26 times more likely to be stopped by the police than a white person when driving or on the street. The sad truth is that despite denials to the contrary - racism is alive and well in the US. Not as blatantly as years ago but still in the hearts and minds of many.
The other disturbing news is that an American Muslim woman - a mother of five - was brutally murdered in California. The killer left a note telling her she was a terrorist and should go back to her own country. I believe the hateful rhetoric perpetuated on a daily basis by the right wing media against Muslims creates an environment that encourages this kind of crime. Who are we when we allow this kind of hate mongering in our media? Where is the outrage? All Muslims are not terrorists any more than all Christians march at the funerals of gay soldiers killed serving their country.
The other disturbing news is that an American Muslim woman - a mother of five - was brutally murdered in California. The killer left a note telling her she was a terrorist and should go back to her own country. I believe the hateful rhetoric perpetuated on a daily basis by the right wing media against Muslims creates an environment that encourages this kind of crime. Who are we when we allow this kind of hate mongering in our media? Where is the outrage? All Muslims are not terrorists any more than all Christians march at the funerals of gay soldiers killed serving their country.
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