We already know that it was Zimmerman who pursued Martin; not the other way around. Martin had the right under the Stand Your Ground law to defend himself with any means necessary from a strange man who was stalking him and approached him with a loaded gun.Sorry, but that is not an established fact. By all accounts Martin was not a burglar, which was Zimmerman’s suspicion, but it may well be that he reacted violently to Zimmerman’s questioning, pursuing and attacking him. That is criminal.
Was this not a black/Hispanic neighborhood?Zimmerman’s history of 911 calls:
most complained of BLACK strangers …
including this black stranger whom he followed (stalked)
against advice and ordinary protocol and whom he then killed.
It’s that simple.
If he weren’t arrested, I would. Again, I don’t immediately assume racism on the part of anyone involved, though if it were to be placed upon anyone, it would be the police themselves. I don’t immediately dismiss the possibility either.If Zimmerman were black nobody would care.
It was not.Was this not a black/Hispanic neighborhood?
The relevant question is what happened in between “Zimmerman followed a law-abiding citizen AGAINST the advice of local police” and “Zimmerman killed him”.It is the ONLY established fact.
Zimmerman followed a law-abiding
citizen AGAINST the advice of local police -
and then Zimmerman killed him.
Zimmerman says he was attack by the pursuing Martin as he was returning to his car.We already know that it was Zimmerman who pursued Martin; not the other way around.
Oh I can think of a few internet sites, blogs, and “alternative” news venues which would surely take an interest in such a story. Some keep a catalogue of black on white crime.If Zimmerman were black nobody would care.
I am in 100% agreement. Even if Zimmerman had to defend his life, it was his bad choices that put him in that situation.From my perspective:
Zimmerman calls police. Reports Martin.
Police ask if he is following Martin.
Zimmerman confirms. Police tell Zimmerman to STOP following him and that a unit is on the way.
Not only does Zimmerman continue following him, but gets out of his vehicle and confronts him.
This much we know: Zimmerman initiated the conflict after being told by police to stop. Had he not taken the law into his own hands, police would have resolved the issue without anyone losing their lives. But since Zimmerman couldn’t control himself, the result of his vigilantism is a young man dead.
He should be charged with manslaughter AT LEAST.
Case closed.
That’s a fact for sure but with nothing to justify the conclusion.The relevant question is what happened in between “Zimmerman followed a law-abiding
citizen AGAINST the advice of local police” and “Zimmerman killed him”.
Here is one established fact: the police and DA examined the evidence and chose not to arrest Zimmerman.
A law-abiding child who was on a 10 day suspension from school.A law-abiding child was killed.
Those are the most relevant facts.
My understanding is that ABC news picked up on the story, and they, along with the Martin family, are to thank for introducing it to the public eye and to intervening authorities.Here is how I recall it going, roughly: the police and the DA investigated and concluded that it was an act of self-defense and didn’t make an arrest. The rest of us were left scratching our heads at that decision, but that was the official decision.
A lynch mob formed, the president weighed in, the feds opened a hate crime investigation, the police chief stepped aside, a grand jury investigation was opened, etc.
Then it came to light that there was a witniess who backed up Zimmerman’s story. That explained the official decision to my satisfaction.
I look forward to the reinvestigation but we are already in Lord of the Flies territory.
A lynch mob has formed. Hence the NEW investigations.That’s a fact for sure but with nothing to justify the conclusion.
Hence the NEW investigations!
Now the evidence is being re-examined by those not involved in this ugliness.The relevant question is what happened in between “Zimmerman followed a law-abiding citizen AGAINST the advice of local police” and “Zimmerman killed him”.
Here is one established fact: the police and DA examined the evidence and chose not to arrest Zimmerman.
Zimmerman says he was attack by the pursuing Martin as he was returning to his car.
A lynch mob? Who, what, when, where?A lynch mob has formed. Hence the NEW investigations.
Anytime a lynch mob drives the judicial system we are in dark territory.My understanding is that ABC news picked up on the story, and they, along with the Martin family, are to thank for introducing it to the public eye and to intervening authorities. Regardless, there is nothing uncivilized about oversight. We are not in dark territory, we are well within the scope of the legal system.
There is NO lynch mob except in your mind.Anytime a lynch mob drives the judicial system we are in dark territory.
Would you mind not calling it a lynch mob? It’s prejudicial (to the facts) and exaggeration.A lynch mob has formed. Hence the NEW investigations.
All I’ve done is to note that while the original decision by the police and the DA not to prosecute was strange, the more recently revealed evidence backs up their decision.A lynch mob? Who, what, when, where?
You are speaking of your opinion, nothing more.
You never would have heard the story if Martin had been white, unless they wanted to promote fun control. Then what? The next Zimmerman uses a bat? Dunno about you but I’ll take a bullet to a bat any day.If he weren’t arrested, I would. Again, I don’t immediately assume racism on the part of anyone involved, though if it were to be placed upon anyone, it would be the police themselves. I don’t immediately dismiss the possibility either.
But for a kid this young, regardless of his or his attacker’s race, to be killed in a situation that was entirely unnecessary and unwarranted is atrocious, and it cries out to heaven for justice. Trayvon Martin had no history of criminal or violent behavior, and was apprarently an exemplary student with hopes of pursuing college education in aviation. I just don’t believe the claims of Zimmerman, a person who DOES have a history of violent behavior, saying that he was attacked as he was walking back to his SUV. He is a much older, much larger man who Martin’s girlfriend has testified she heard, in the background of their phone call, yelling at Martin as he prepared to flee. The girlfriend says she told him to run, to which he replied, “I’m not gonna run, I’m just gonna walk really fast.” After which she heard him yell, “Why are you following me?”
Clearly Martin was frightened, and clearly Zimmerman was aggressive. It’s so cut and dry it’s ridiculous. People get arrested for less every day. If Zimmerman was harmed, it’s because he intimidated someone and put himself in harm’s way. It’s not self-defense if you instigate it.
But we are also told that there were a rash of breaking and that after the initial confrontation that Zimmerman turns his back to go back to the SUV. and is jumped by Martin. Zimmerman is all bloodied from being beat up.originally posted by
Not only does Zimmerman continue following him, but gets out of his vehicle and confronts him.
Remember this is an Hispanic male and a black male - what has race got to do with it.originally posted by bbarick8383
You never would have heard the story if Martin had been white, unless they wanted to promote fun control. Then what? The next Zimmerman uses a bat? Dunno about you but I’ll take a bullet to a bat any day.
It strikes me as an apt description and certainly within the general usage of the term beyond the strict sence of a mob bringing a noose to the jailhouse.Would you mind not calling it a lynch mob? It’s prejudicial (to the facts) and exaggeration.