Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

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Bubba_Switzler said:
All I’ve done is to note that while the original decision by the police and the DA not to prosecute was strange, the more recently revealed evidence backs up their decision.

However, it is clear that the mob has decided that an innocent child was wrongly killed and that this is what is driving the new investigations.

At this point it is unlikely that any exculpatory evidence will satiate the mob.
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You are the one using terms like “lynch mob” and “mob.”
This discussion needs NO such rhetoric. A child has died.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
If you can’t even recognize suspicious behavior/clothing you will never be able to give an identity.
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What makes wearing a hoodie in the rain outside suspicious??? He isn’t inside a bank, he isn’t inside any kind of a security establishment…he is just walking around outside.
 
prodigalson2011 said:
The witness did not see how the incident began; whether he was intimidating the boy, threatening him, putting hands on him, etc. Zimmerman claims he was walking back to his SUV and was attacked. Given that Martin had no history of violence or criminal behavior, while Zimmerman has previous charges for disorderly behavior and resisting an officer, I’m more than a little suspicious of the validity of his claims. It doesn’t add up.

He had no right to be following him or confronting him. According to the girlfriend, who has been verified to have been on the phone with him as the altercation began, Zimmerman approached him aggressively and Trayvon had expressed fear that he was being followed. The boy was probably scared to death, and probably thought Zimmerman was about to assault him. It was an extremely stupid and unjustifiable move on Zimmerman’s part.

How does someone who’s just walking down the street look like they’re on drugs? Or up to no good? Was he creeping around peoples’ houses? Peeping through windows? Looking around suspiciously to see if anyone was about? Stumbling like he was drunk? My guess is no. He was just walking home. I’m sorry, but, racial issues aside, I think this case deserves public outcry.
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Prodigalson, I agree with much of what you say (especially that the eyewitness didn’t “see it all”, he missed the beginning of the fight), but I would like to point out that according to Zimmerman’s 911 call, Martin was “checking out houses” and he even came to check out Zimmerman’s truck. Perhaps this is why Zimmerman thought that Martin looked suspicious. Now, when I walk in the neighborhood, I will often stop to admire a Virgin Mary statue on someone’s front lawn, a large tree (I love botany) in front of someone’s house, I could also be mistaken for being “up to no good”. I’m not saying that Martin did something wrong by checking out houses and by checking out Zimmerman’s truck, but you can listen to Zimmerman’s recorded 911 call where he keeps reporting what’s going on (Martin checking out things), and Zimmerman probably thought that Martin’s behavior was consistent with a would-be burglar’s behavior.
 
catharina said:
You are the one using terms like “lynch mob” and “mob.”
This discussion needs NO such rhetoric. A child has died.
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Sometimes the right thing to do is to stand in front of the lynch mob and say “no”.

There was one investigation already.

The mob wants another? Fine. And if that comes to the same conclusion and the mob is still unsatisfied what then? Do you think those who have invested themselves in the guilt narrative are just going to walk away?
 
ringil said:
Oh I can think of a few internet sites, blogs, and “alternative” news venues which would surely take an interest in such a story. Some keep a catalogue of black on white crime.

Stormfront, a white nationalist website, has HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of members and is many, many times bigger than, for instance CAF. They certainly keep track of such things.
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I was more thinking of same race crime. But either way I first heard of this through someone who never watches the news, and I keep pretty close tabs on the news. The nationwide outrage is motivated by a potentially false premise.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
Sometimes the right thing to do is to stand in front of the lynch mob and say “no”.

There was one investigation already.

The mob wants another? Fine. And if that comes to the same conclusion and the mob is still unsatisfied what then? Do you think those who have invested themselves in the guilt narrative are just going to walk away?
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Do you think you can possibly
hold to a bit more hope, in the Catholic sense - and in the Zen view?

You are castigating people via your worst imagination.
Mighty sad, imo.
 
catharina said:
Do you think you can possibly hold to a bit more hope, in the Catholic sense - and in the Zen view? You are castigating people via your worst imagination.
Mighty sad, imo.
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I certainly hope that the reinvestigation is thorough and fair and that everyone accepts the facts as uncovered.

However, your own contribution to this thread gives me reason to be less than hopeful. You had Zimmerman tried and convicted already. Never mind what others are saying in public rallies and wanted posters.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
I certainly hope that the reinvestigation is thorough and fair and that everyone accepts the facts as uncovered.

However, your own contribution to this thread gives me reason to be less than hopeful. You had Zimmerman tried and convicted already. A LIE. Or you are VERY confused. Never mind what others are saying in public rallies and wanted posters.
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Quite judgmental of you.

I’ve stated the facts.
A man with a gun followed a law-abiding child in the neighborhood.
It came to be that the man with gun killed the child.

Facts. Not judgment.
 
catharina said:
A man with a gun followed a law-abiding child in the neighborhood. It came to be that the man with gun killed the child.
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As noted previously, Zimmerman claimed that Martin pursued and attacked him. The police and DA investigated and chose not to prosecute. It has since come to light that there was a witness who gave testimony that is consistent with Zimmerman’s story and inconsistent with the hypothesis that Martin was a “law-abiding” victim.

You would add to your credibility if you acknowledged these exculpatory facts.
 
catharina said:
It was not.
It was a white/black community.
Here is your link to demographics.

You might want to do your own research about such “facts.”
See pie chart labelled “Population by Race.”

movoto.com/neighborhood/fl/sanford/32771.htm
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Lol, the only relevance is that it’s a partially black community. Thank you for the correction. Why would he be suspect of a black guy in a neighborhood where blacks live based on skin color alone?
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
As noted previously, Zimmerman claimed that Martin pursued and attacked him. The police and DA investigated and chose not to prosecute. It has since come to light that there was a witness who gave testimony that is consistent with Zimmerman’s story and inconsistent with the hypothesis that Martin was a “law-abiding” victim.

You would add to your credibility if you acknowledged these exculpatory facts.
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The police as DA are racist too. It’s a big klan down in that area keeping the black people in check.
 
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