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johnnyjones
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Yes, and I guess cops are covering up the 90% black on black crimes that happen regularly.
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johnnyjones
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17 years in law enforcement–In cuffs doesn’t mean arrest. Cuffs can be used to detain or question. Stop leaping.
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EasterJoy
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This could be a purple-on-purple crime, and if people thought the police had a reason to cover a mistake, they’d believe the police are lying. It is human nature.
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Havard
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Well you know what Mitch Hedberg said about purple people…
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johnnyjones
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Why is the senate floor not roaring everyday denouncing the 90% black on black crime. As well Sharpton, Spike Lee, J. Jackson etc.?
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EasterJoy
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Ummm…to clarify, I meant to say that I realized that he was not arrested. Scott Lafrance and I had previously been under the impression that cuffs mean arrest, but I think that is cleared up.
Mr. Zimmerman was taken in, the lead investigator wanted to take him into custody, but his superiors decided against that. The police told the press that he was not arrested, because he wasn’t arrested.
The gun used, however, is undoubtedly still in an evidence locker.
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Dawnia
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This isn’t going to turn into one of those conspiracy theory things is it? Please don’t tell me there was a grassy knoll and a second shooter too
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L_piperatus
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I also wouldn’t rely too much on a grainy video with no close-up photos of Z’s injuries. I have seen a man knock down another person with a single punch to the jaw, and there was no bleeding at all. A friend of mine was hit with a bat on his forehead, there was only a small wound (less than 1/2" long), yet my friend suffered from strong headaches and fainting for at least two years afterwards. His brain was somehow affected by the shock, even though the external injury on his forehead was small. Another friend fell off a bicycle, hit his head against the pavement, and he died within a few hours. He was 25 years old. It wasn’t the external injury that killed him - you couldn’t really see on the outside, that he suffered brain hemorrhage which lead to increased cranial pressure, and that was what killed him.
I don’t understand AT ALL this attitude - are people expecting George Zimmerman to look like a stabbed pig, bleeding copiously or something? Don’t they get it that hitting someone’s head against the pavement can kill that person, even without external blood and external injuries showing? How about internal injuries, and cerebral hemorrhage?
Don’t people follow the news, aren’t they aware that recently two 13-year old girls got into a fistfight, there were only a couple punches exchanged, and one of these girls died within 24 hours? There was no external injury, there was no blood, she wasn’t bleeding like a stabbed pig - she just started to feel nauseous a few hours after the fight, she was taken to a hospital, and she died right there in the hospital.
Or, maybe, people watch too many movies with tomato juice splashed all over the actors’ bodies and they think all serious and life-threatening injuries should look gory like a horror movie.
Trayvon Martin could have KILLED Zimmerman by beating his head against the pavement. I do not own a gun, but if I did, and someone started to beat my head against the pavement - guess what? I WOULD SHOOT HIM!
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Sabda
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Found this on Youtube.
Apparently some of the witnesses are filing complaints against the Police department of their handling of this case.
Witness Speaks Out In Trayvon Martin Case
Apparently some of the witnesses are filing complaints against the Police department of their handling of this case.
Witness Speaks Out In Trayvon Martin Case
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GaryTaylor
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Right, he wasn’t charged with a crime.
Sounds right, the original idea was to charge him with manslaughter.
State by state law, especially in this case. I assure you he would have been charged in the North. When there are two involved and one winds up dead, its sort of like this, two were involved, both get arrested, or the other one living will, theres no going home. Self defense at home or in a business is different here. You put a cat and a bowl of cat food in the room and close the door. Come back and the food it gone, then there, you have Circumstancial evidence. Now what you can prove it court is another completely different matter. But charging someone with a case is not very difficult. Convicting them is a very different story. And had that been done the circus wouldn’t have came to town. If fact we wouldn’t even be talking about thisn and would probly never even heard of it.
Right, he wasn’t charged.
You would have never known it. He should ask for a refund. They give permits to those who apply, and are eligible, and provide a decent logical reason “why” they need to carry a concealed firearm. Its reveviewed bt Chief of Police where you apply, background check etc. They don’t give you a permit simply because Americans have the Right to bear arms. Although you would think that from reading here.
Now if your Security employer allows you to carry it, or the owner of say the mall, is a different matter with individual agencys, employer etc. I would suppose. I have seen the block-watch here carry handguns, I have seen security carry firearms, but I have never seen them travel alone in a block watch situation here, in pairs you see them.
M.O. signature, of convictions, needs to show a pattern IMHO. Bringing up past resolved convictions to imply one is a criminal is illegal. Or if one is a witness in a case it becomes relevant to the testimony. I don’t know that any of this matters in this situation.
M doesn’t have any record he was supposedly suspended from school for smoking pot, that was his punishment, others say it never happened, who knows. Zs isn’t a felon though has an actual conviction charge. I don’t know for what.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Maybe one of our resident lawyers can confirm if Zimmerman, in handcuffs in the back of a squad car and in a police station and surrounded by armed police officers, was considered “in custody”.
You can be taken into custody, brought to the station, put in a holding cell or an interogation room while the investigator presents the information to the prosecutor. The investigator will tell the prosecutor what charges(s) he wants the person booked for and the prosecutor will make a spot determination whether or not there is anything there worth presenting to the magistrate (sometimes called an arraignment court), which determines bail, etc… It doesn’t change the fact that the person’s liberty has been taken away and is being suspected of a crime.
Zimmerman was under arrest. Only an obfuscationist could claim otherwise.
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HailStarofSea
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I’ve noticed the contradictions in the stories as well, and it is scary to me that people are asserting that Zimmerman’s story is true when he is not by means an objective observer and three people, two of them objective, have statements that contradict him. Or that people say the police accounts should be trusted when they have leaked information on Trayvon’s past. “City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. said it would be investigated and the person responsible could be fired.”
Some are desperate to pin blame on Trayvon.
washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/in-trayvon-martin-case-plenty-of-misinformation/2012/03/28/gIQAxaPhgS_blog.html?tid=pm_world_pop
She posted this picture on purpose. It seems to have originally been posted on Stormfront. This site was founded for David Duke’s campaign, and is owned by a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and in the 1970s a member of the National Socialist White People’s Party (which had changed its name from the American Nazi Party in 1967). Michelle Malkin thought that the pictures that the news media had previously provided made Trayvon look too innocent and Zimmerman look bad so she wanted to contrast a picture that would make Trayvon look guilty and Zimmerman look better. She didn’t bother to verify that the Trayvon image to make him look worse was an actual picture of the person in question before she attempted to bias the public against Trayvon. These people are daring to claim media bias, when they are members of the media that are purposefully trying to bias others?
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GaryTaylor
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Interesting, I was aware of all but the misleading photo part.
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johnnyjones
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“No longer believed to be Martin” is not exactly concrete." Malkin should have verified your right but wheres the definitive answer to whether it’s him or not? I still don’t understand why the 90% black on black crime doesn’t rise to the level of outrage this case has. If you think hard though (not really), you get an answer in the word “white hispanic”.
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pnewton
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Perhaps this is something that varies according to the specific legal code. Here, we differentiate between arrest and detention based on the purpose of restraint. Either way, they did take him into custody. The only difference is that charges are pending and not yet filed. This supports the police department story that they had intended to file charges.
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pnewton
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I do not doubt it. Head wounds bleed ferociously. Small wounds can yield a lot of blood until the bleeding stops. The question for a jury will still be whether this could constitute fear for one’s life.
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Vincent_N
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The picture didn’t originate from Stormfront. It was taken from this facebook account. The account is legitimate and owned by a Trayvon Martin, just not the one who was killed.
facebook.com/people/Trayvon-Martin/100001791912868
However, the pictures of Martin from twitter sporting the gold grill dentistry and copious tatoos and are uncontrovertible.
dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/
dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/second-trayvon-martin-twitter-feed-identified/
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pnewton
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I think the attorneys for the family are full of hot air on this complaint. They want to file charges for witness tampering by the police??? Yet here they are putting them on the news??? This is a stupid video. All of this is because the police said they had contradictory witnesses. Duh. That is exactly why I have always said that that both the guilt of Zimmerman and his self-defense argument are questionable. Witnesses are not all that reliable in a case like this and must be supported by physical evidence.
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HailStarofSea
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This picture has already been verified to be not him.
Here is the facebook link to the “FAKE” Trayvon Martin.
facebook.com/people/Trayvon-Martin/100001791912868
Michelle Malkin is not just a conservative. She writes on National Review. Townhall advertises with features of her face, that of Thomas Sowell, and that of Ann Coulter. She founded Hot Air and comments on it. She is featured on the Great American Conservative Woman calendar. Her weekly column appears in many newspapers and websites, and she writes for the St. Louis Globe-Democrat. She is a Fox News Channel contributor and has been a guest on MSNBC, C-SPAN, and national radio programs. She has written four books that many conservatives frequently refer to.
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Vincent_N
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The video is 2 weeks old. The person in the video that the media and family have been pushing as the star witness is Mary Cutcher. She claimed she heard a “whining of a child”. She infers it came from Martin who was “a little boy”. She didn’t actually see the shooting or anything that took place before. But she claims she did see Zimmerman after the shooting. And that is all she needs in order to make her “point”. Someone needs to explain to her: trauma → shock.
But, did she know the screams were captured on the 911 tapes?
Cutcher’s statements are quite laughable if the consequences weren’t so serious. At the time she was making these statements, the Martins and the media were playing their son off as the prepubescent child mudered for being black and wearing a hoodie. So was Cutcher claiming that what she saw was not Trayvon Martin but the body of a little boy?
The 6’3" “little boy” would have towered over Cutcher and I’m guessing from the looks of the twitter pics, he would have weighed a lot more than 140lbs.
I can’t tell if Cutcher was just playing along or if she has a separate agenda. Does anyone else notice something peculiar about her body language when making statements?
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