While others do murder again behind bars:People are not punished, and certainly not executed, for what they may do in the future. It has happened that criminals in prison are sometimes repentant of their crimes and are converted to righteousness. It is possible to believe that Mr. Brewer would not have committed murder again, even if he wanted, as long as he was incarcerated. In fact, many murderer’s who are incarcerated never commit another murder.
Of course there is reasonable doubt about whether Mr. Davis actually killed Mr. MacPhain. What do you think all the protests are about? Even law enforcement officers have expressed concerns that Georgia executed an innocent man. Mr. Davis was not a serial killer and, as far as I know, during the nearly 20 years that he was jailed before his execution, he never planned any crimes. There is a very large question as to whether the death penalty actually constitutes justice and whether other options for carrying out justice present themselves. It is indeed a sin to lead others into error by telling lies. One big lie, in my opinion, is that the death penalty is a legitimate means of seeking justice for the Christian person.There were 34 eye witnesses who identified Troy Davis at both shootings. All were Afraican American like Davis. Ballistics linked his gun to both shootings.
At the trail over 30 witnesses wee called to identified Davis. Following the trial, only 7 relented or changed their story.
The Jury was made up of 7 African-Americans and 5 Whites. All were convinced he was guilty. His case was reviewed by over 50 judges over 20 years and all came to the same the conclusion as the original jury.
He was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I would not have it to have a serial killer plan his next crime in prison or walk freely among myself, wife, children or other persons. Justice must be to done to safe-guard the public and those in law enforcement.
We should have discussions about the use of the Death Penalty et cetera, but it is a sin to lead others into error by telling lies.
Some do, but a majority do not. If we follow the logic you seem to be supporting, we would execute every murderer in prison to prevent them from potentially murdering again. After all, that is the only way of avoiding the risk of a murder ever murdering again, right? Indeed, why not strip drivers of their licenses if they get a ticket to prevent them from ever getting another one. This makes sense to you?While others do murder again behind bars:
prisonoffenders.com/connally_unit_murder_rhonda_osborn.html
We can not risk murders murdering again.
As opposed to what? Personnel and Guards are routinely targeted, injured, and murdered in Maxium Security Prisons by the inmates in Maxium Security Prisons. What about their lives? Are their lives and safety worth nothing?Of course there is reasonable doubt about whether Mr. Davis actually killed Mr. MacPhain. What do you think all the protests are about? Even law enforcement officers have expressed concerns that Georgia executed an innocent man. Mr. Davis was not a serial killer and, as far as I know, during the nearly 20 years that he was jailed before his execution, he never planned any crimes. There is a very large question as to whether the death penalty actually constitutes justice and whether other options for carrying out justice present themselves. It is indeed a sin to lead others into error by telling lies. One big lie, in my opinion, is that the death penalty is a legitimate means of seeking justice for the Christian person.
It does seem to paint a clear picture of the case, but does it paint a clear picture, beyond doubt, of Mr. Davis’s guilt? Many think not.Here is Judge Moore’s entire decision on Davis:
multimedia.savannahnow.com/media/pdfs/DavisRuling082410.pdf
I think it paints a clear picture of the case.
You have no argument so you’re changing the subject to ticketing drivers.Some do, but a majority do not. If we follow the logic you seem to be supporting, we would execute every murderer in prison to prevent them from potentially murdering again. After all, that is the only way of avoiding the risk of a murder ever murdering again, right? Indeed, why not strip drivers of their licenses if they get a ticket to prevent them from ever getting another one. This makes sense to you?
Are you by any chance, a minor? I cannot imagine an adult making such an absurd statement.It does seem to paint a clear picture of the case, but does it paint a clear picture, beyond doubt, of Mr. Davis’s guilt? Many think not.
I haven’t changed the subject. I’ve merely pointed out that your thinking seems to suggest that all murderer’s in prison should be executed to prevent them from any potential future murders is as ridiculous as taking a driver’s licence away from a driver who has received a ticket to prevent him from ever getting another one. The logic simply doesn’t make sense.You have no argument so you’re changing the subject to ticketing drivers.
It must be nice to sit behind a computer screen without the actual responibity of handeling and taking care of these convicted criminals you so adore.
Again, what do we do to ensure the safety of prison personnel and staff from violent inmates that have done heinous crimes?
And the rest of the evidence and testimony was what?DNA testing of evidence, proving that the “evidence” was not the DNA of the convicted person, is hardly “anecdotal.” Especially to those finally released.
It makes sense to me that human beings can reasonably comprehend who is dangerous and likely refractory to reform, and who isn’t, and the measures necessary (if unfortunate) to prevent their further preying on the innocent.Some do, but a majority do not. If we follow the logic you seem to be supporting, we would execute every murderer in prison to prevent them from potentially murdering again. After all, that is the only way of avoiding the risk of a murder ever murdering again, right? Indeed, why not strip drivers of their licenses if they get a ticket to prevent them from ever getting another one. This makes sense to you?
I oppose all executions, possible innocence is an argument to explain my position, but to be quite honest my real motivation is that I don’t think we should be killing people in such a calculated way (vs an actual act of defense a policeman or individual would exercise in an actual dangerous situation).It is all very well for people who are ideologically opposed to the death penalty or who think every conviction of a black man is a manifestation of American racism, to pick this piece of information or that and paint a picture of possible innocence with them in Davis’ case. (Few seem to oppose Brewer’s execution.) It is another for an unbiased jury (mostly black in Davis’ case) and later judges to review all of the evidence from start to finish.
No, but the judge who ordered these individuals released from prison presumably did know what other evidence was available and still ordered their release. Obviously, the evidence was not strong enough to overcome the evidence that they did not commit the crime for which they were accused.And the rest of the evidence and testimony was what?
I’m not arguing the case here, but I am saying that in looking at all of these people supposedly found innocent, nobody speaking of them here has any idea what the whole of the evidence considered by the jury actually was.
I think it is wrong to execute anyone based upon what they are likely, even highly likely, to do in the future. It is not that I more highly value the life of a vicious and dangerous person more than the safety and life of the innocent, but that I value life over death and feel justice is not achieved when life is violently taken, even in retribution for murder.It makes sense to me that human beings can reasonably comprehend who is dangerous and likely refractory to reform, and who isn’t, and the measures necessary (if unfortunate) to prevent their further preying on the innocent.
Let me repeat that I do not favor the death penalty. I oppose it because Pope JPII did, and I do so out of respect for him. Nevertheless, I don’t think we know everything he thought about it, and he didn’t explain his statement that the necessity for the death penalty is “rare if not non-existent”. What did he mean by that? We don’t know. One might assume, as I do, that he thought modern societies could afford the kind of absolute maximum security provided in the federal supermax prisons. If so, then that should be the focus of endeavors of those who oppose the death penalty, not prohibiting it absolutely before reasonable security can be accomplished.
Most murderers are not recidivists. Everybody knows that, and very few murderers are executed. But there are some killers whose viciousness and sociopathology is unrelenting and obvious. Brewer appears to have possibly been one of those. He said he not only did not repent but would do it again if he had the chance. He was a member of a racist gang that carries out murders and assaults in prison and outside. What else does one need to know in order to understand that those with whom he might come into contact in the future, including other prisoners, need protection from him but wouldn’t get it the way prisons are constituted presently?
I don’t know a whole lot about Davis, but the way his crime unfolded (began with him and his partner pistol whipping a homeless man, seemingly for their own entertainment) it would not be all that incomprehensible that a jury might consider him a serious future danger to humanity. Obviously the jury thought it, as well as the numerous people who actually (and dispassionately, one assumes, in the cases of reviewing judges) reviewed the evidence.
It is all very well for people who are ideologically opposed to the death penalty or who think every conviction of a black man is a manifestation of American racism, to pick this piece of information or that and paint a picture of possible innocence with them in Davis’ case. (Few seem to oppose Brewer’s execution.) It is another for an unbiased jury (mostly black in Davis’ case) and later judges to review all of the evidence from start to finish.
If some want the innocent to bear the risk and burden of having in their midst the totally vicious and incorrigible, and who have amply demonstrated it, then that’s their judgment. But, under the current circumstances, they at least need to acknowledge that’s the nature of their decision. We more highly value the life of a vicious and dangerous person than we do the safety (and perhaps lives) of the innocent whom he is highly likely to victimize in the future.
I understood that the murder weapon was never found.There were 34 eye witnesses who identified Troy Davis at both shootings. All were Afraican American like Davis. Ballistics linked his gun to both shootings.
What do you think about people who murder prison guards while they are already serving life sentences? Should such a serious crime just be a freebie?I oppose all executions, possible innocence is an argument to explain my position, but to be quite honest my real motivation is that I don’t think we should be killing people in such a calculated way (vs an actual act of defense a policeman or individual would exercise in an actual dangerous situation).
The argument that these criminals put jail personnel and that justifies execution is strange, because it would be an argument to execute most of the populace in jail (a lot of death row inmates are actually pretty isolated from the rest of the population in the first place).
Troy Davis was convicted of another shooting. The bullets from that shooting matched the shell casings found at the scene of the police officers shooting.I understood that the murder weapon was never found.
How can ballistics match a lost weapon?
I understand that total opposition to the death penalty is what your believe, even though the Church does not teach that. Free country.I think it is wrong to execute anyone based upon what they are likely, even highly likely, to do in the future. It is not that I more highly value the life of a vicious and dangerous person more than the safety and life of the innocent, but that I value life over death and feel justice is not achieved when life is violently taken, even in retribution for murder.
I see.Troy Davis was convicted of another shooting. The bullets from that shooting matched the shell casings found at the scene of the police officers shooting.
He was pistol whipping a homeless man for a beer, he was ID’d by a friend of the homeless man. The policemen came to the rescue of that beating and was killed.I see.
So because the gun used in this murder was previously used in a crime Troy committed we assume that he is guilty of the murder…
That isn’t evidence, that is rumor.
I would find it damaging to the prosecution’s case if this were presented as evidence at all.
However, I really do not care if he is(was) guilty or innocent…we had no business putting him to death. This is one of the many instances in which there is a viable alternative to death.