Troy Davis makes final appeal before execution

[ishii]

That’s funny, because the victims of the families who watched McVeigh die said it DID give them peace to know McVeigh was dead. I’m sure other people who were victims of crime who saw someone who murder their familes felt relief when the person who did it died.In fairness (see? I’m totally fair to everyone ) that there are some who didn’t find peace while watching. I say err on the side of caution and gas the murderer anyway. (relax everyone-it’s a toungue in cheek statement!)

Next, so they changed their minds. I guess they were lying back then. Whose to say they won’t be pressured to say something else from the anti-death penalty people? Do those kind souls who oppose the death penalty ever influence people? And heck, if they are lying back then (under oath- a vow made to GOD) they probably won’t tell the truth now.

Maybe they were pressured in the first place, into saying things that incriminated the accused. That’s why I said its “possible” that we’re talking about an innocent man. I have no idea how I would be feeling if my loved ones were the victims of a similar crime. I would probably be out for vengeance too. But does that make it right?

Plus, not sure why you bring up Timothy McVeigh - didn’t he admit his guilt?

Ishii

 

[seekerz]

Your not answering my questions.

I never said he KILLED them. I said he could be REJOICING that he killed the original. Your argument “he might have changed his mind!” works both ways.

Next, you didn’t answer my part about the witnesses. When were they lying? Could they be influenced now? Can we trust them?

If you don’t want to get a punished, then don’t commit a crime.

Finally, I was KIDDING on the “err on the side of the gas chamber” comment, hence the smiley face.

Forgive me for not finding this an appropriate thread to kid on.

I don’t know what made the witnesses change their testimony but I would sure like to find out. Identification is a matter fraught with uncertainty in many cases unless the person has very distinctive features; having more than once been on the receiving end (with serious consequences to my life) of mistaken identification, it matters greatly to me why those stories have changed.

If you don’t want to get a punished, then don’t commit a crime.

Taken to its ultimate implication, this also means that if people don’t want to go to hell they shouldn’t sin, period - no do-overs, no second chances…

For argument’s sake, I could accept that he is every bit as guilty as he has been found in a court of law and still find execution unjustifiable simply because it is not a punishment, it is the extinguishing of life and, except in the absence of any alternative way (such as life imprisonment without parole) to protect innocent life the only one with the right to take life is the One who gave it.

 

[Rascalking]

Forgive me for not finding this an appropriate thread to kid on.

I don’t know what made the witnesses change their testimony but I would sure like to find out. Identification is a matter fraught with uncertainty in many cases unless the person has very distinctive features; having more than once been on the receiving end (with serious consequences to my life) of mistaken identification, it matters greatly to me why those stories have changed.

Taken to its ultimate implication, this also mean that if people don’t want to go to hell they shouldn’t sin; period - no do-overs, no second chances…

For argument’s sake, I could accept that he is every bit as guilty as he has been found in a court of law and still find execution unjustifiable simply because it is not a punishment, it is the extinguishing of life and, except in the absence of any alternative way (such as life imprisonment without parole) to protect innocent life the only one with the right to take life is the One who gave it.

Alright, I see where we disagree. Good luck to you.

And you can add humor to any subject.

 

[SamH]

The rule of thumb is: when in doubt, don’t. With regard to the Davis clemency petition, I just read that it has been denied, so to the flippant and those seeking peace in his death, this may seem like a victory. Indeed, mercy without justice is hollow but the same goes for justice without mercy as we shall find when we too leave this world.

There’s no doubt.

Physical evidence that was collected from his mother’s house (bloody shorts that she attempted to clean) was not allowed into the trial. Also he was convicted of murdering a second person that night (both physical and eye witness accounts) the same weapon was used to kill both people.

 

[Rascalking]

Maybe they were pressured in the first place, into saying things that incriminated the accused. That’s why I said its “possible” that we’re talking about an innocent man. I have no idea how I would be feeling if my loved ones were the victims of a similar crime. I would probably be out for vengeance too. But does that make it right?

Plus, not sure why you bring up Timothy McVeigh - didn’t he admit his guilt?

Ishii

Good question about why I brought up McVeigh.I remember hearing that one of the victims said they were happy when they saw McVeigh die. I brought it up to remind people that the victims have a voice as well as people like us do.

Next, your a good man to admit you don’t know how you’d feel. I don’t either.

Finally, about the witnesses.If you change your story a bunch of times you lose your credibility.

 

[seekerz]

Alright, I see where we disagree. Good luck to you.

And you can add humor to any subject.

Maybe you can, but I would have a hard time explaining a flippant attitude to my Father regarding the lives of people He created. At least you see where we disagree, that is a hopeful start…

 

[seekerz]

There’s no doubt.

Physical evidence that was collected from his mother’s house (bloody shorts that she attempted to clean) was not allowed into the trial. Also he was convicted of murdering a second person that night using blood and DNA evidence, the same weapon was used to kill both people.

Thanks for the info. Didn’t know that. If factually correct, that would make this an execution of a guilty man, not an innocent one - still wrong, but on one less count.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

One word: Georgia.

 

[SamH]

One word: Georgia.

Another word “GUILTY”.

Davis was represented by superbly skilled criminal defense lawyers. He was convicted by a fair jury (seven black and five white members). The post conviction stridency we’ve seen has been much about the death penalty and little about Davis. The jury found that Davis, after shooting another man earlier in the evening, murdered a police officer who came to the rescue of a homeless man Davis had beaten.

 

[seekerz]

Another word “GUILTY”.

Davis was represented by superbly skilled criminal defense lawyers. He was convicted by a fair jury (seven black and five white members). The post conviction stridency we’ve seen has been much about the death penalty and little about Davis. The jury found that Davis, after shooting another man earlier in the evening, murdered a police officer who came to the rescue of a homeless man Davis had beaten.

3 words: Sanctity of Life

Actually many words: all life (in the womb, on the death bed, on death row) is precious not simply because of who is living it but because of who created it. Disrespect to them is disrespect to Him.

 

[Rascalking]

3 words: Sanctity of Life

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Apparently, Mr. Troy Davis doesn’t believe in the “sanctity of life”. If he did, he wouldn’t have shot that officer.

I get why people are against the death penalty. They preach and yell about the rights of the guy on death row. What about the man he killed? He was a POLICE OFFICER. Someone who puts their life on the line every day to protect people like us.

 

[seekerz]

Apparently, Mr. Troy Davis doesn’t believe in the “sanctity of life”. If he did, he wouldn’t have shot that officer.

I get why people are against the death penalty. They preach and yell about the rights of the guy on death row. What about the man he killed? He was a POLICE OFFICER. Someone who puts their life on the line every day to protect people like us.

No, you don’t get it, at least not from my viewpoint. It’s really simple, regardless of what someone has done, we did not bring him/her here, we have not right to take him/her out of here.

Sanctity of life has nothing to do with whether you are a cute, thumb-sucking baby, a courageous, selfless cop, or a righteous, faithful example to the community. Otherwise, that might imply that it’s okay to end the lives of babies who don’t look so cute, cops who are dirty, or people who are a bad influence on society. It doesn’t matter who you are - no one but God has a right to take your life.

When people break the law and take life, they must be punished, but not by their lives being taken…the supreme contradiction in our justice system. The guilty should be punished and justice should be served, I’m all for that. Victim’s families should get redress; they simply should not have the right to demand a life in return for that which was lost, because life is not human beings’ to give or take.

 

[SamH]

3 words: Sanctity of Life

Actually many words: all life (in the womb, on the death bed, on death row) is precious not simply because of who is living it but because of who created it. Disrespect to them is disrespect to Him.

Agreed, Davis violated the sanctity of life by murdering at least two people.

 

[Rascalking]

The guilty should be punished and justice should be served, I’m all for that. Victim’s families should get redress; they simply should not have the right to demand a life in return for that which was lost, because life is not human beings’ to give or take.

No, your not for justice being served. If you were, you’d support this guy getting the gas chamber.

 

[SamH]

But I have every right to point out that you dont send a message to society that killing is wrng by killing someone. I too pray for clemency for this evil murderer.

So if a person kidnaps a child and holds them captive for months (or years) it sends the wrong message to put the kidnapper in a prison cell for years as punishment?

 

[seekerz]

Agreed, Davis violated the sanctity of life by murdering at least two people.

And the state of Georgia is about to emulate his example - by taking something that is not their prerogative to control: the breath of life.

 

[Rascalking]

And the state of Georgia is about to emulate his example - by taking something that is not their prerogative to control: the breath of life.

We kidnap people to show kidnapping is wrong. We steal from people to show stealing is wrong.

 

[kelvinf]

I can never understand how the family of a victim can ever be satisfied when so called justice is served by killing someone. It’s absurd.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

And the state of Georgia is about to emulate his example - by taking something that is not their prerogative to control: the breath of life.

But, remember. He was found guilty, and in Georgia and the Southern death penalty states, they NEVER make mistakes, never sentence a man to death erroneously, never have to release a man who has spent a dozen or more years on death row because evidence was found exonerating him. A sentence of Guilty ALWAYS means that the fellow did the crime.

 

[seekerz]

No, your not for justice being served. If you were, you’d support this guy getting the gas chamber.

As a Christian I am called to a justice that respects God as the ultimate arbiter of life and death and also to a justice that is intricately bound to mercy. Both because it is the merciful thing to do, and because the state has no right to a man’s life, execution should be avoided even when the person has committed murder.

A person wounds someone with a gun, does he get shot by the court in return? A person rapes someone, is he raped in return? A person damages property, does his property get damaged by the courts? A person threatens, harasses… is he threatened or harassed by officers of the court? The death penalty is not only wrong - it is uniquely wrong. All other punishment meted out by the justice system (that I can think of), is on par with our level of civilization and human development EXCEPT the death penalty.